Monday, February 2, 2009

UPDATED: Palin's Stance on the Stimulus: Bush League Bloggers School the Pros One More Time



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Jim Geraghty at NRO's Campaign Spot tried to clarify Palin's position on the stimulus. He called her office and they referred him to her statement, which we bush league bloggers have been discussing for what seems like days now.

Geraghty concluded:

So she sees problems with it, but doesn't come out and say definitively that it ought to pass or ought not to pass. Guess we'll have to wait and see what comes out of the Senate.

Well, I don't think the way that Murkowski or Begich vote on the stimulus is necessarily a reflection of how Palin would vote if she were a senator. She's a governor, not a senator.

I think Palin is being held to a different standard than Jindal (no one really cares enough about Crist and Pawlenty to worry about how voters will react to their position on the stimulus). Jindal's approach to the stimulus seems similar to Palin's. However, Palin has made it clear that her administration is only requesting funds for five infrastructure projects that will benefit the nation -- four related to the natural gas pipeline and one related to national defense.

I have no idea if Jindal's projects will benefit the nation as a whole. If they are infrastructure projects, then I don't think they need to benefit us all. As I noted yesterday, every state has a right to their fair share of federal infrastructure money regardless of whether their projects benefit the people of Boise and Newport and Cleveland.

Our friend Promachus summarized the situation brilliantly yesterday:

It's very simple. There's regular state infrastructure funding and then there's this stimulus. Obama has packaged them together. Sarah wants to depackage them. She wants the infrastructure funding but she doesn't want the stimulus pork. It's as simple as that. Why can't people get it?

Bravo, Promachus! Exactly right. We don't understand why the "professionals" haven't figured this out yet. This is a fine example of why they need to get out of the beltway and spend some time on Wasilla Main Street.

Gov. Palin is interested in legitimate infrastructure projects, but she is warning against the social services aspect of the stimulus, which involves a dangerous growth of legacy programs that will eventually be mandated for the states to fund when the federal dollars dry up. It's a nightmare scenario for all who are concerned about the growth of government.

Gov. Palin's approach to the stimulus is pragmatic. She's putting Alaska first, but with the understanding that Alaska is part of the nation. She's not being as greedy for pork as some in her state want her to be because she understands that our nation as a whole will not benefit from running up deficits and debts.

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UPDATE by Ramrocks:

A reader noted that Alaska will receive more from the stimulus than the five projects Gov. Palin is requesting. That's correct.

The spending formulas built into the stimulus apply to every state regardless of what any governor does. Local officials can (and no doubt will) do an end-run around the Guv and appeal directly to the Alaska Congressional delegation for pet projects in their districts. This is all part of the earmarks battle that Palin has been fighting for some time now.

The ADN posted an interesting article on this a week ago:

In initial discussions about the stimulus package earlier this month, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin warned in a letter to Young and Alaska's senators, Lisa Murkowkski and Mark Begich, that she wouldn't back any earmarks. It echoed her anti-earmark stance on the campaign trail as the Republican vice presidential candidate.

"The use of formulas would help ensure fairness among states and would avoid the unhealthy practices and results that often occur in the Congressional earmarking process," she wrote.

Palin told the congressional delegation that it was her understanding any economic recovery bill wouldn't include earmarks and that she wanted to avoid asking for anything from Alaska that smacked of them.

That's true, Begich said, but as a former mayor, he began soliciting ideas from other local government leaders in Alaska even before he was sworn in as a U.S. senator. Begich said he wasn't offended by the governor's position.

"I think she's saying the same thing, I just don't think she wants to talk about earmarks, and that's OK," he said, adding that he wanted to have a list of ready-to-go projects so that Alaska would be positioned to benefit from the economic stimulus bill the minute it is signed into law by the president, assuming it is.

Palin asked the delegation to consider five projects: four highway projects connected to construction of a natural gas pipeline and a fifth involving improvements at the Kodiak rocket launch facility.

Other governors have been clashing with lawmakers from their own states over how to allocate money. In South Carolina, Republican Gov. Mark Sanford, a fiscal conservative who has warned of the burgeoning federal budget deficit, has said he's not interested in accepting federal money for the economic recovery.

Palin spokesman Bill McAllister said Palin wanted to emphasize stimulus projects in Alaska that have a national impact, such as road building associated with the proposed natural gas pipeline.

"We're just talking about the reality in Washington," he said. "We don't want people to get their hopes up."

Although Palin's posture on earmarks hasn't exactly put her at odds with the state's congressional delegation, it did make for slightly uncomfortable discussions with the three. All were getting solicited -- and unsolicited -- pitches from local governments in Alaska looking for money to help pay for specific projects.

The Municipality of Anchorage lists more than $400 million in potential projects on a stimulus wish list submitted to the U.S. Conference of Mayors -- everything from big road and port overhauls and expansions to lights on bike trails. A similar list from the Matanuska-Susitna Borough totaled $170 million. [emphasis added]

Palin is decoupling the infrastructure funding in the stimulus from the rest of it. The porkulus is much bigger than just infrastructure projects. Palin is worried about these other aspects. She noted in her recent press release, "Much of the stimulus plan we've seen focuses on spending for government programs that would be a burden on states to continue funding."

I believe Palin views the stimulus pragmatically. It's going to pass. We don't have enough votes to block it. It is loaded with crap, but it is also packaged with legitimate federal infrastructure dollars. Palin is interested in putting that funding to good and legitimate use. The rest of the porkulus is another matter altogether.

It should be noted that regardless of what they say, all the governors will be getting money from the porkulus -- even infrastructure dollars. The only difference is that Jindal and Palin (and others) are actively stating what projects they will use the money for.

Some governors like to play "tough guy" on fiscal matters to make a show. But they often end up relenting when reality sets in (like, say, the reality of the third highest unemployment rate in the country).

Let's all just keep an eye on the Stimulus Watch website in the coming days, months, and years. We'll see how Alaska ranks with the other states.

25 comments:

Anonymous,  February 2, 2009 6:38 PM  

I don't think that's accurate ramrocks about her accepting money for only those five projects; she'll accept the infrastructure money that comes to Alaska via the formula that is applied to every state. The problem with the formula in her opinion is that the 90-day rule.

It's an open question whether the state accepts money for federal social programs or education. That's what I got from the letter.

promachus,  February 2, 2009 7:02 PM  

Woohoo! I am dancing in joy. Thank You very much.

promachus,  February 2, 2009 7:25 PM  

Hey guys, thanks for the fighting the good fight. I don't know as a foreigner if I should be emailing Glenn and others.

Also, did you guys pick up the disgusting question TMZ asked Sarah. My head exploded when I read that at hotair. I hope somebody from our side goes and asks that same question to Michelle Obama or Caroline Kennedy.

Anonymous,  February 2, 2009 7:30 PM  

C4P have you seen the HA link posted re youtube video by Ashley Judd that slams Governor Palin for the control of wolves in Alaska? It is a complete distortion of the reason the wolves are controlled. People first is the truth. As if they are not in enough trouble up there with the cost of food and fuel now this nutty video will send all the crazies crazier.

ramrocks February 2, 2009 7:44 PM  

We have a post on the Judd thing. She's a twit.

And Promachus: email away, mate. We consider you one of us and wish you were voting in Ohio or Pennsylvania!

Jennybewildered,  February 2, 2009 8:08 PM  

I am also a 'blow in' and posted the comment above re the Twits video. I was unsure about acknowledging I am a blow in as I can not vote in your country.However what is being said about GSP in your country in the media is also said in mine and it ticks me off no end. I support Governor Palin and am bewildered as to why she is so hated when she is a great role model for women and girls regardless of her politics. She works hard, is a working mother, wife, Governor and is raising her children, one a child with special needs,one at war, with the support of a husband that is Mr Mom. What exactly is wrong with that? (she asked shaking her head and rolling her eyes)

Anonymous,  February 2, 2009 8:25 PM  

I'm sorry, but Sarah is being too cute here. She seems to try to be having it both ways - as NRO - points out. I'm a fan of Sarah but we need some "straight talk" from her as NRO says - your either for it or against it.

Why doesn't she simply come out with a short simple statement as follows.

"Let me be clear, I'm against this terrible bill and I support ny Republican colleagues voting against it. While it has some good aspects in it, by funding needed infrastructure, it is too loaded up with needless pork and has insufficient tax releif for individuals and businesses. It is also too large and will place an unacceptable debt load on future generations.

We need to start over with two much smaller bills. First, a tax bill providing real and permanent tax relief for individuals and businesses. Second, a stimulus spending bill limited to infrastructure projects that have hard quantifiable econimic or national security benefits. If this approach is taken I will ask for only $150 million for Alaska for the 5 projects I have outlined. If all other states limit themselves to the same per capita requests this bill would total only $60 billion for the entire nation.

However, if President Obama and the Democrats insist on preceeding with this bill, then I will ensure that Alaskans receive their fair share of benefits - and do not lose out to other states"

Sarah Pali

promachus,  February 2, 2009 8:27 PM  

Ramrocks, according to this post, Palin's position is different from Jindal's (Allah cllubbed them together, let's not do the same mistake it's also got linked on Michelle Malkin:

http://steppingrightup.blogspot.com/2009/01/republican-2012-presidential-contenders.html

promachus,  February 2, 2009 8:35 PM  

Good God, that link is from jan.12 I just checked. BTW, sent my emails, hopefully they will have some impact.

Tbone February 2, 2009 10:11 PM  

Hi anonymous,
Sarah is the Governor of Alaska. She said she has big concerns of the bill for Alaska and the impact on the national debt. Sarah does not have to vote on this bill. She also said she voiced those same concerns to the Senators.

Tbone February 2, 2009 10:32 PM  

On ktuu.com yesterday it reported that on Monday Gov. Palin and Alaska Lawmakers will send a joint letter to Congress detailing their concerns about the economic stimulus package.
"We have to make sure that the nation's deficit for this year and our long-term debt is just not growing to create more social programs,and to pay for some programs that states will inherit through a basically unfunded mandate," Palin said.
She supports investment in infrastructure and wants to see Alaska get it's share of those dollars,but wants a cautious eye out for proposed federal programs the state may have to fund on its own in the future.

JR February 2, 2009 10:37 PM  

TBone,

do you have a link or was this from the phone interview?

Tbone February 2, 2009 10:43 PM  

JR,
I typed ktuu in alaska in my search engine and it was in the website. It is in a section where it says. Back home,Palin outlines concerns about the stimulus package.

JR February 2, 2009 10:47 PM  

yup ... got it thanks

promachus,  February 2, 2009 11:13 PM  

Could it be this news story?
http://www.ktuu.com/Global/story.asp?S=9769774

Do you think Palin should speak against the bill like Sanford? Would that solidify republican opposition and help defeat the bill?

Anonymous,  February 3, 2009 12:01 AM  

Look Tbone, it doesn't mater whether she can vote on the bill or not, or whether she is a Governor or not, she is an American citizen, and she can tell us what she thinks as an American citizen, in simple plain talk yes or no on the bill. Even Jindal has said he would vote it down. Can't she say that much?

Palin's appeal has always been simple plain talk, just like an ordinary citizen - like one of us. All of her press releases on this sound like a career Washington politician, where she wants to have her cake and eat it to, and her opponents will point this out.

Also, once the Republicans in the House voted unanamously against the bill, it became toxic and radioactive for any other Republican politician to go anywhere near the bill. To go to Washington last weekend to lobby even for changes to the bill showed extemely bad political judgement. She should have cancelled the trip and kept her head down.

She now has a political PR disaster on her hands, and she has no choice now but to come out clearly against the bill - in plain language everyone can understand - no more waffling. And she needs to get on Beck and Hannity and clear it up fast.

If she doesn't get on top of this quickly it will just prove to me she is not ready for prime time.
Look, I love her and I want her to be President, but we have to also be objective - and she is blowing this big time.

There have always been suspicions as to how conservative she was vs. simply being a populist: taxing big oil; big budget increases the last two years; pressing to expand SCHIP and preschool in Alaska; adopting McCain's path to citizenship etc.) If she doesn't come out clearly on the stimulus bill the concerns over her conservative creds will grow and she will be seen as nothing more than a good looking female Huckabee.

Sorry, but that's the way I see it.

JR February 3, 2009 12:26 AM  

thanks for the comment, I agree with the politics of it all and the PR stuff

but don't give me the Jindal line ... he has been the most dishonest in this whole issue.

Jindal is "having his cake and eating it too" by saying if he were in Congress he would vote it down, but as Governor he was one of the first in line for this "stimulus" He is not in Congress so what he says he "would do" doesn't really matter.

And please read up on her tax policy in regards to the oil companies ... Larry Kudlow finds it favorable. The Wall St. Journal covered it here:http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122057543526201877.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

and don't box her in on McCain's policies ... she was the VP candidate, if McCain had said that the moon was made of cheese, she would have to agree with it.

Tbone February 3, 2009 12:47 AM  

Hi anonymous,
I agree with you to a certain extent. The P.R. aspect I agree with you on. The A.P. story did not mention a named source though. Gov.Palin has been outspoken about there being to much spending in the stimulus package all along though. That is why I give her the benefit of the doubt. My point is that Governor's are in a different position then Congressmen or Senators. I agree I wish she would just say she opposes the bill to.

JR February 3, 2009 12:49 AM  

and if any "lobbying" was done ... it was to remove the timelines associated with transportation funds (which all states receive) because of the weather conditions in Alaska

JR February 3, 2009 12:57 AM  

Hey,

If history serves me correctly ... Ronald Reagan raised taxes as Governor of California, and signed into law making abortion legal (he regretted it of course)

as President he granted an amnesty and ran up record deficits.

But he is still my personal hero and the ultimate symbol of American conservatism

Tbone February 3, 2009 1:02 AM  

JR,
Are you trying to say that nobody is ever perfect. That even Ronald Reagan took a position you disagree with.

JR February 3, 2009 1:18 AM  

What I am saying is this. The standards set up by some conservatives today would mean they would not even voted for Reagan.

The fact is this ... Congress holds the purse strings for must infrastructure spending in this nation and they have the Supreme Court on their side.

The infrastructure spending for the states has been packaged in with the rest of this crap bill and that is the reality of it. That is what happens when your party is in the minority, you don't get to make the rules.

Palin's projects include her pipeline and a military base, the FEDs almost own the state of Alaska, they cant even use their own resources.

She is 44 years old and in her first term as Governor and people on our side are already tying to kneecap her based on a stupid, unsourced Associated Press article and you have morons like Glenn Beck passing it off as fact.

If the same standards used by some on our side were applied to Ronald Reagan, he would have never been President.

Her mistake was being in D.C. over the weekend ... so what, she made a mistake, a PR mistake ... but she made an important friend in Mr. Malek and SarahPAC is probably kicking ass.

You are talking about a woman here with 5 children, including one with special needs ... she can survive in the wilderness for like 3 weeks if she had to and she has fought the AK political machine and won.

She has taken on the full onslaught on the media and the smears and she still stands tall.

She fought the corrupt Republican party in AK and had to deal with those people everyday

She took on the false charges of Trooper-gate and won there too.

Like Michael Steele said,
"This woman shoots moose; what's she going to do to a donkey,"

Tbone February 3, 2009 1:28 AM  

I agree with everything you said on that. I have been defending Sarah the entire time.

JR February 3, 2009 1:34 AM  

Thanks Tbone,

as you know the title of this blog "conservatives4palin.com"

Not "Draft Palin for President" or anything like that ... would it be great to see her run, you betcha!

but that is not my mission here.

I started to follow Governor Palin back in Feb. 2008 and was jazzed when she was selected by Senator McCain.

But it was the absolute disgusting smears that she faced that really got me involved, nobody should be subjected to that, nobody.

So that is why we do what we do here, to let people in on the real Governor Palin and her real record.

Thanks for the comments Tbone, they are always wonderful to read and we appreciate your support.

rillotinspanish.com February 3, 2009 7:32 AM  

I am afraid I cannot understand from Palin's remarks on the stimulus that she is for it. She has not only repeteadly warned about the risks of government spending, she has also spoken several times about how tax reductions are the answer. If I were the creator of the stimulus and read what Gov. Palin is saying about it, I would find it very diffiicult to convince myself that she is not against it. Yes, she is for a stimulus, but not this one.
As for what Alaska y receiving, yes, it is more than the 150 million she requests, but Alaska is one of the 6 or so states getting under 1.8 billion.
Should she explicitly say she would vote "No" for the bill? I don't know. But I cannot believe she would vote "Yeah" after what she says about it. I don't see how anyone can think she supports it, sorry.

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