Wednesday, April 22, 2009

Another Frivolous "Ethics Complaint" From A Vindictive Ankle-Biter



And the hits just keep on coming...

Another frivolous ethics complaint has been lodged to further bankrupt Sarah Palin and her family.

Anchorage resident Sondra Tompkins, child disability advocate and mother of a special needs child, is filing the complaint after observing Governor Palin repeatedly display "a pattern of unethical behavior." Sondra believes that the tipping point for her was Sarah Palin's most recent abdication of her role as Governor and apparent conflict-of-interest when she spoke at two outside events in Indiana rather than work with the Alaska Legislature during the most critical time, the end of the session.

The use of a special needs mother is cover. It's like the "Jersey Girls" attacking the response to 9/11.

By the way, here's what the legislature was doing while Gov. Palin was in Indiana. Guess what? They did nothing! "No Bill Activity for Today" was the note on the House Majority Web page. The House looked something like this:


But, by all means, let's slam Palin for a 36-hour charity trip to give a 40 minute speech -- half of which was a travelogue for Alaska! She has done more to improve the tourism industry in Alaska than any governor in the state's history. She's a human gold rush, but don't try to explain that to the Palin haters. They don't want to understand that people see her talk about her state, see the beautiful footage of her state shown during the election, and say, "let's take a cruise there!" Regardless of political persuasion, beauty is beauty. And Palin has introduced a large audience to the great natural beauty of the Last Frontier.

Also, keep in mind that Gov. Palin specifically declined an offer made by the local Indiana Republicans to hold a fundraiser for SarahPAC while she was there. So, I would like this nitwit to explain what Gov. Palin gained from this trip other than the chocolates, doughnuts, and hockey stick they sent her (and she shared the chocolates and doughnuts, so those don't count).

We've seen Ms. Tompkins before. She was one of a handful of anti-Palin protesters in Alaska during the election. She had this nonsense to say about the nothingburger known as "Troopergate":

Sondra Tompkins, a reliably Republican voter, found herself speaking out at the rally — upset, she said, because of Palin's handling of the trooper issue and the example it sets for children in the state.

"They're listening, they're watching, and they're asking questions," Tompkins called out to the crowd. "Do we tell them it's OK not to tell the truth? Do we tell them it's OK to bend the truth? Do we tell them it's OK to distort the truth if you have a gaggle of lawyers to defend you?

"It's not OK, and I think Alaskans have had enough."

Yeah, having lawyers defend you from a frivolous lawsuit is "distorting the truth." There's some sharp reasoning there. By the way, Gov. Palin was cleared of any wrongdoing in Troopergate by the Personnel Board (which is the proper non-partisan, non-political, neutral review board for such ethics complaints).

I am sure she will be cleared of this too, but she will have to spend money to defend herself, and her name will once again be smeared with the words "ethics complaint." That's all these people care about -- the headline and the bankrupting. They should be ashamed of themselves, but they have no shame.

I wish I knew of some way to fight back against these vindictive and petty ankle-biters, but I don't. I'm not a leftist. My mind can't grasp the politics of personal destruction.

UPDATE by VO: The text of the complaint may be read here.

Update by JR: This is classic Saul Alinsky. Here is Rule #4 from "Rules for Radicals:"

Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.

Sarah Palin is a genuine ethics reformer, so they will try to destroy her with frivolous ethics complaints. We see how the game is played.

UPDATE II by VO: RepubChica at Hot Air found this old ADN article, which dates back to when Palin announced she was pregnant with her youngest son Trig. Tompkins is quoted:

Sondra Tompkins is staying at home with two little boys, one of whom has special needs. She doesn't like what she sees as a subtext in all the Palin talk this week -- that somehow a woman with a job works harder.

"I think there needs to be some way to quantify what is hard," she said.

Tompkins has been a nurse, a soldier, and a pharmaceutical sales representative. She'd love to go back to work, but there'd be a heavy cost. Her husband is a physician, and her children would never see a parent, she said.

"Sometimes the choices aren't really yours."

Often, it's a matter of support, she said.

"Sarah Palin snaps her fingers and she'll get what she wants," she said. "You go to Elmendorf, and you see a woman with children that's about to deploy, she doesn't get to do that."

UPDATE III by VO: Wow, Tompkins really likes to talk to reporters about the Governor. And she never seems to have anything positive to say. The idea that she is a "reliably Republican" voter seems a bit doubtful to me. Here she is again in a September 2008 KTUU story:

Despite Palin's support for children with disabilities, Sondra Thompkins, (sic) who's son has autism, participated in a rally against the governor Saturday.

"We feel very strongly that Sarah Palin is not the right choice," Thompkins said.

196 comments:

upinak April 22, 2009 3:28 PM  

I wonder if I can file a complaint against the complaintees for malicious intent of using voter monie(s) that is used to bankrupt a Gov.

I bet that would be highly praised and worth the time and money to get back. In which these copmplaintees would NEVER get a IRS refund or PDF again.

:)

ErichNTejas April 22, 2009 3:37 PM  

These people are slipping. I expected a complaint days ago for her trip to IN. Get with it folks!!

Tanya April 22, 2009 3:41 PM  

"My mind can't grasp the politics of personal destruction."

Unless, of course, it's a person who criticizes Palin. Then, personal destruction is okay, right, hypocrites?

Levi is "white trash" etc.

R. A. Mansour April 22, 2009 3:43 PM  

I never called Levi Johnston that. And I certainly never attempted to bankrupt him. In fact, I defended him when Fagan went after him and he lost his job. I would defend him again in that. You don't know what you're talking about.

DB April 22, 2009 3:45 PM  

Upinak,
It's worth a try. I'm sure all of us here at C4P will help. Maybe WAR would be a good lawyer to retain for that purpose. If people like Tompkins, McCleod, and Diva can be bankrupted, I would throw a party. Morons like that would have a difficult time having a legal defense fund adequately funded, wouldn't you say? The sticking point will coming up a proper legal argument. A citizen of Alsaka could make the case that her Governor is unable to properly represent Alaskans because she is constantly bogged down in friolous "ethics" complaints. I am not a lawyer (nor do I play one on TV) so I am not sure of the legal efficacy of that approach. Are there any lawyers here who can respond?

On another note, I think it will be absolutely hilarious in the future when there is another governor. I sincerely hope all conservatives harass the hell out of any future Democrat governor. File an ethics complaint every other day. If he(or she) makes number two in the statehouse bathroom, sue him (or her) for using taxpayer funded toilet paper. I mean how will he (or she) be able to justify using publicly owned toilet paper for private "business"?

ugafish April 22, 2009 3:46 PM  

Listen to this interview that Eddie Burke conducted with someone who attended the Right to Life dinner to hear what a great ambassador Sarah is for Alaska:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-hDPycJtGI

Emerson C April 22, 2009 3:46 PM  

I am so angry.

I was trying to find a set of words to express my feelings about these people. I hope RAMS will indulge me. I found them in some works by no less a person than the Marquis DeSade. Gazing across the French National Assembly at the Jacobin Terrorists (the precursors of today's liberals) the 'Divine Marquis' exclaimed:

"Pedantic louts, hangmen, scribbleres, legislators, tonsured scum . . . "

Thats that off my chest!

HC April 22, 2009 3:48 PM  

There is a list of all of the PACs with a Congressman or Governor attached to it on opensecrets.org

http://probillsolutions.com/squirrelmail/src/webmail.php

It is under leadership PACS. Very interesting stuff.

upinak April 22, 2009 3:49 PM  

DB, IF I do something like this I am going to ask W.A.R. to do it as pro bono (which he may enjoy) but it wouldn't just be for Palin. It would have to be for all "politicians" possibly.

I can see the legality of this going thru... as the fraudulant complaints need to stop... and it is obvious that Alaskans have had to pay for this in general. And those who file them need to pay the monie(s) back.

I will see what I can do.

I am tired of this.. so tired in fact that I don't see why this shouldn't have come up before.

iac April 22, 2009 3:53 PM  

"the politics of personal destruction" captures what is going on.

All the progressive bloggers knew about this latest ethics complaint before it was announced today. They manipulated their readers by dropping hints that something was about to happen, and thereby provide yet more evidence of the orchestrated nature of their behavior.

The trolls here this week stem from our willingness to engage Mudflatters in dialogue last weekend. The pseudonyms are ones seen regularly over there, and maybe that blogger could have the courage to exercise some responsibility for the actions of her followers.

upinak April 22, 2009 3:54 PM  

I would advise that those whom want to file complaints against Palin for something mudane serious research what you are doing.

It looks like it may come back to you... three fold.

Tiny Dancer April 22, 2009 3:54 PM  

I'm sure none of us are surprised by this. And I'm sure Governor Palin isn't either. These complaints are nothing more than an attempt to tie Palin up in legal knots and to tag her with the claim that she has had more "ethics complaints" filed against her than any governor in history. It will become a talking point for the left and their lap-dog media should she run for re-election or POTUS. However, I am a firm believer in karma and I have no doubt that Governor Palin will be vindicated one day for all she's been through and I have no doubt that those behind these attacks and smears will reap what they sow.

katiejane April 22, 2009 3:55 PM  

Levi is "white trash" etc.so does this mean someone is going to file a lawsuit making Levi defend himself against an accusation that he and his family are white trash?

Josh Painter April 22, 2009 3:59 PM  

It's a very small victory, but I shamed Alaska Report into changing its "article" about Tomkins' BS lawsuit.

Here's the e-mail I sent Dennis Zaki this morning:

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To the Editor

Sir:

Your article "Yet Another Ethics Complaint Filed Against Sarah Palin" is apparently a press release which you reprinted in its entirety. (The words "Press Release" in the body of the article were a big clue.)

In the interests of intellectual honesty, accuracy and fair disclosure, what is the source of this press release? What group or individual issued the release?

I have no problem with the use of press releases as news sources, but their source should always be identified in anything being presented as a legitimate news story.

Thanks in advance for your answer,

- Josh Painter

*

Where the item before only included the two words "Press Pelease," it now reads "PRESS RELEASE: APRIL 22, 2009 CONTACT: Sondra Tompkins --- - ----"

So now anyone who reads it will know that it is Tompkins herself who is promoting her own lawsuit with a media blitz of sorts.

It helps to publicly expose the purely political nature of the nusiance suit. While those of us who are political junkies are well aware of this, some others are easily deceived.

Keep their feet to the fire!

- JP

TommyReport April 22, 2009 3:59 PM  

HC,

The link doesn't work. Out of curiosity, what is the piece of information that you found fascinating from that site? Is it about Palin's PAC?

Denise April 22, 2009 4:01 PM  

Just donated $50 to SarahPAC. Boy did it feel good!

DB April 22, 2009 4:02 PM  

Upinak,
How does it work? Do the taxpayers of Alaska have to pay for the personnel board to deal with these frivolous charges? I think I read somwhere that Alaskan taxpayers have already had to pay in excess of $2,000,000 for this in terms of salaries and other expenses incurred. And that was before the three latest and most ridiculous charges, (Bill McCallister not knowing an answer to a question about the NRSC/NRCC dinner, Governor Palin wearing a brand name coat in Alaska in February, and today's charge that she made a speech...a damn good speech if you ask me. Am I correct about that? When will the taxpayers get upset over this colossal waste of time and resources.

Jody April 22, 2009 4:03 PM  

upinak

Please follow through with talking to WAR or whomever can help. I imagine as soon as one of these people have to pay money instead of just filling out paperwork, their shenanigans will cease.
Nobody has ever called them on it and held them financially accountable.
Go to work upinak!!
If you need any help let us know.

Tanya April 22, 2009 4:03 PM  

RA - No, you just titled a blog calling Ramras The Jerk from Fairbanks.

No personal destruction there...no hypocrisy either.

fine by me - no one will ever take Palin seriously because of all the immature sniping done in her defense...keep up the good work!

HC April 22, 2009 4:04 PM  

I'm sorry, it's a list of Leadership PACS with government officials attached.

www.opensecrets.org is the website. It's a very long list. I'll post the link again to the list.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/industry.php?txt=Q03&cycle=2008

You might have to cut and paste it into the browser.

ugafish April 22, 2009 4:04 PM  

JP,
Good catch. I was wondering about the source, and I thank you for pointing that out.

portlandon April 22, 2009 4:04 PM  

What is the general feeling to the typical alaskan up there reading and hearing about all this crap day in and day out? That is what bothers me. I hope the Alaskan citizen can see through this vindictive partisan bulls_it.

I hope that you can get WAR to take on these guttersnipes UPINAK. Let's see how they like going to the poor house through legal filings.

Jody April 22, 2009 4:05 PM  

Josh Painter
Way to go. Way to stay on top of it.

hrh April 22, 2009 4:06 PM  

Isn't there an AK law that says ethics complaints are supposed to be made in private?

The fact that all these complainers are sending around press releases to the liberal blogs and papers is at least a HUGE indicator that it's all choreographed and at most is patently illegal.

Anyone know about that law to keep these things private?

'Cause if it were the law and it were enforced, these bogus complaints would cease since we know that they're only being done as a publicity stunt.

I stopped getting Google Alerts 'cause that's what these people are aiming at. If irresponsible citizens can get a profundity of bad stories about Palin funneling through Google Alerts, they can work to undermine Palin in people's eyes with a preponderance of bogus stuff.

DB April 22, 2009 4:07 PM  

Again, I'm not a lawyer. I just had a thought on another possible avenue of legal action. Could an Alaskan taxpayer sue the three frivolous filers, McCleod, Tompkins, abd Diva on the grounds that they have forced the state to waste taxpayer dollars? Further, could the state seek to recover those dollars from the three aforementioned fools. I realize that you can't get blood from a turnip (an old saying) but who knows? maybe they have some assets that can be attached to defray taxpayer costs.

Jody April 22, 2009 4:09 PM  

Hey, I just remembered. WAR is going to be on the Eddie Burke Show today at 4:00pm alaskan time.
They do always have a number for outside the area to call in.

What do you think about asking WAR on the air to go after these ankle biters once and for all.

CruelaDev April 22, 2009 4:09 PM  

Yup...Another $25 to SarahPAC from me!

How about you all!

Where is the Legal Fund.. Bill O has already pledged $1,000

DB April 22, 2009 4:10 PM  

Great idea Jody. Can you post the number? Maybe we can get some of our Alaskan commenters to call in.

iac April 22, 2009 4:10 PM  

Tanya,
Maybe you missed Ramras' crude reference to Governor Palin?

Following a comment like that any personal destruction was inflicted by Ramras on himself.

upinak April 22, 2009 4:11 PM  

Ok, so how I understand it. If there is a complaint and the Dept of Law get involved they have to clock all hours worked on a case (it is like that with all lawyers) depending on the longetivity of the case can be shown by the amount of hours all persons involved are tallied. It is added up after the final judgement and no appeals.

Ehtics charges are not instated in the mandatory budget. They are worked in. So if someone files a Ethics Charge.... it is put into a computer program and in which is given a number to keep track. All people who work on that case will have to put in the number and what they are doing for that case. There is a clock and it keeps track.

Now, with that said.. I bet there is quite a bit concerning the Ethics cases.... as ALL the those whom have filed have to go thru the Dept of Law to FILE THEM... and so it starts.

The lawyers IMHO can be used for other things they to check on BS reports and ethics charges. They work for the State, they are wasting time and Tax Payers money to investigate said charges... and it is time to have them (complaintees) pay back the Alaskans money!

bestbud April 22, 2009 4:15 PM  

What are they drinking in Alaska?
What ever, Its full of idiocy and hypocrisy, or could it be the new F-WORD (FAME)

There really is a new F-WORD (FAME) AND IT'S FAR MORE BEHAVIORALLY DESTRUCTIVE TO THOSE DESIRING IT.
THE CONSEQUENCES HORRIDNESS TO THOSE WRONGFULLY CAUGHT IN IT'S WEB.

Lord help us!

juju April 22, 2009 4:22 PM  

It would seem to me that the people of AK would have a class action suit against all these charges costing the state of Ak funds. Of course, I know nothing about the law. But, like you all say...this is awful.

And, a note to the trolls and others...this might have worked early on..but, you have all over-played your hand. It isn't going to work now because it is just too much pile on...America loves an underdog and America is not stupid.

manajordan April 22, 2009 4:28 PM  

I apologize in advance for this really long comment. But, it’s something I’ve been thinking about a lot lately and even blogged about on my own site.
Do you know what the fight or flight response is? Most have heard of it. Basically whenever we feel that we are under physical threat our bodies get us ready to fight or run away. Some also add in the freeze response. A huge part of that response is driven by the heart. It rushes blood out to our extremities. This actually causes little micro tears in our blood vessels. So, at the same time it is rushing blood through our system there is also a rush of cholesterol which acts as a glue that repairs all the tears. Fascinating stuff.
Well, the fight or flight response does not just get started when we are under physical threat, it also does when we are feeling emotionally threatened. It is called the stress response. The emotional equivalent to fight or flight is anger and fear. They are protective emotions and they serve a purpose. But, if we are constantly under threat we are constantly feeling stressed, fear and/or anger. The heart gets all overworked. Things like cholesterol gets out of control.
In my work as a mental health therapist I use biofeedback techniques one of which is heart rate variability training. In doing this training I have learned some fascinating things about the heart. Guess what it doesn't just pump blood.
The heart is also a gland. That means it produces hormones. One of those is a hormone called Oxytocin. Oxytocin is nicknamed the "bonding hormone." It is the hormone that is present when we feel attached or bonded to people. For example, Oxytocin floods the body of a woman giving birth. That is part of the immediate connection a mother and her child have with one another. When the heart is messed up, so is the production of Oxytocin. Our connection with one another is damaged.
The heart has glia, which is neuronal material. That's right your heart has its own little brain. The heart has memory. The heart is the center for emotion. Also, the heart has an incredibly strong connection to the brain itself. In fact the communication between the heart and brain is dominated by the heart. When the heart is healthy brain function improves. When the heart is in the middle of the stress response the brain has difficulty making rational decisions.
Why the heck am I writing about this? The reason is I see the anger and the hate and the vitriol that seems to be infecting American society on every side. I am shocked by it.
I think one of the prime examples is looking at the treatment of Sarah Palin not just during the campaign but continuing. Here is a person who agree with her or not is a good and decent person. Yet, people either love her or hate her. Why the hate? I just don't get it. I watched a speech she gave tonight at a pro-life event. I was touched by her realness. She got teary eyed when speaking about the birth of her precious little son. I wonder how can anyone hate her? Disagree with her fine, but anger and hate?
She is not the only example. And by no means do I think that people on the other side of me politically are the only ones that are so angry and hateful. If you ever read comments after news articles and such you see this back and forth vileness being spewed out. It is so disheartening (and yes I say that intentionally).
So, the effect of all this anger and hate and fear is that it is damaging our hearts. We are more stressed than we need to be. We are not connecting with each other. And we are not allowing ourselves to speak rationally with each other especially when we disagree.
The Scriptures say that in the last days men's hearts shall fail them. I must say that I am deeply concerned by what I see today.
I myself want to make a concerted effort to improve my heart health. Here's another thing. A person can be brain dead and still be alive. But, if the heart stops thats it. The heart always wins. Get in touch with your heart. You can do it by breathing deeply. Also, you can change the way you feel. I think most of us recognize how quickly we can switch to anger. But, guess what you can just as quickly switch to a positive emotion. One of the healthiest emotions cardiologically is appreciation. There is actually a change in heart wave patterns when a person switches to feeling appreciation. So, think about what you appreciate from your favorite food, to a favorite place, to holding one of your favorite people in your arms.
Get your heart healthy. We are going to need it in these trying times.
God Bless
Sarah Emily Jordan

Jody April 22, 2009 4:32 PM  

manajordan that was a truly inspiring comment. Thanks for that.

DB and others:

The Eddie Burke Shows call in radio line phone number is 907-274-5297.

Yogi41 April 22, 2009 4:33 PM  

I'd like to see if this Susan Tompkins has the cajones to show her face and talk to the media when asked about filing this complaint; unlike CelticDiva, who filed and ran from the press.

If Tompkins doesn't show her face after this act, she's a coward like the rest of them... hiding behind their blogs and fellow slime.

DB April 22, 2009 4:36 PM  

I read the complaint (posted by VO). In Tompkins' fantasy world, Alaskan law proscribes any Alaskan public official from having a PAC. This will never see the light of day.

sarah palin rocks April 22, 2009 4:41 PM  

I think in the end Sarah will be victorious over these pesky narrow minded "ankle biters." I posted this on another thread earlier:

"The truth is already starting to come out about this campaign to harass and persecute Sarah Palin through the filing of these frivolous ethics charges. This story has been covered in the MSM especially Fox News and even CNN. So these complaints will only backfire on those who are filing them. Most Americans will not support political witchhunts like this. That is why so many of us are ready and willing to contribute to Sarah's legal defense fund.

Sarah will be able to fight these ghouls when her legal fund starts up. These "ankle biters" will be exposed for what they are. They will eventually have to answer to the taxpayers and the State of Alaska. Frivolous ethics complaints are a huge drain on the legal system, a big waste of taxpayer dollars and the Governor's time."

Sarah has the support of Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck and other powerful voices, so eventually these "ankle biters" are gonna' bite the dust. Everyone will know these ethics complaints aren't worth spit.

Concerned Moderate April 22, 2009 4:43 PM  

It is really telling that just about every comment here speculates about what Alaskans think. I know most of you are not from Alaska, nor have probably ever visited there. The fact that most of the Alaskans you read or hear are getting fed up with their Governor should inform you. But it seems that you don't want to know what Alaskans think, except for WAR and the few remaining Palin loyalists. That is not what it means to be an informed citizenry.

You refer to Alaskan blogs as "anti-Palin," when by nature they are "political" (in general) blogs. It just so happens that their Governor gives them a lot of material. Now, it seems as though this site exists ONLY to promote Palin's agenda, so you can truly call yourself a "pro-Palin" site. But just because others don't espouse your views does not mean that their sites, established LONG before you even knew who Palin was, should be labeled "anti-Palin." It mis-characterizes them.

DB April 22, 2009 4:44 PM  
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upinak April 22, 2009 4:45 PM  

Concerned.. it is obvious that you have no clue what you speak of since you assume everyone on this thread if from the lower 49.

I call them like I see them and you sir, are a true idiot. Please read bfore you speak!

DB April 22, 2009 4:50 PM  

Another thought occured after reading the complaint a second time. The clear goal of this is to prevent Governor Palin from ever leaving Alaska. Why would Ms. Tompkins care that she gave a speech to a charity and a pro-life group? There is only one answer that I can think of. The more Governor palin travels Outside, the more of a threat she is to Obama. She is, after all, the only one who has ever laid a glove on Susan Tompkin's Messiah (I do not believe Ms. Tompkins is a Republican for a minute). I do believe (and I'm not prone to conspiracy theories) that she is acting on someone's behalf. Whether it is Axelrod, Obama himself, or whomever, the goal is clear. Keep Governor Palin locked up in Alaska.

The problem for Ms. Tompkins and her ilk is, of course, the complaint is beyond ridiculous. There is no law, Alaskan or federal, against forming a PAC. For her complaint to succeed, the personnel board would have to conclude otherwise. Further, there is no law anywhere which prevents one from traveling on their own time. Is Ms. Tompkins suggesting that Governor Palin is always on the state of Alaska's time? If so, does that mean that no state oficial can ever have a vacation? That is quite an interesting interpretation of the law.

Rosie April 22, 2009 4:52 PM  

Concerned: "You refer to Alaskan blogs as "anti-Palin," when by nature they are "political" (in general) blogs. It just so happens that their Governor gives them a lot of material."
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Yes, Palin gave them a lot of material.
She wore a jacket.
She gave a speech.
IMPEACH

Concerned Moderate April 22, 2009 4:54 PM  

Joseph, I wouldn't expect you to know what a moderate is, too far out of your myopic world view. I don't need to grasp desperately to one, narrow point of view, rejecting all other evidence to the contrary.

manajordan April 22, 2009 4:54 PM  

Thanks Jody. And thanks for visiting my blog. I appreciate it.

upinak April 22, 2009 4:56 PM  

Concerned like you rejecting the thought of an Alaskan on this thread.

In some ways, I moderately think of the lower 49. Hmmmmm.

Lipstick April 22, 2009 4:57 PM  

"Most" Alaskans nust be the other 40% that do not approve of Palin's work? The last poll I think showed a 62% approval rating.

Dang, I knew that math teacher was just giving me an "A". My math must be bad.

iac April 22, 2009 4:57 PM  

Concerned Anti-Palin Commenter,

Was is it about "Conservatives For Palin" you misunderstood prior to making your tired presumptions?

Concerned Moderate April 22, 2009 4:58 PM  

upinak: "you sir are a true idiot."
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Thanks for the compliment, upinak. How dignified. You, sir, are a great Ambassador for Alaskans. Like your governor.

upinak April 22, 2009 4:59 PM  

Concerned, stay in your "neck of the woods". You might get hurt out there in that wilderness!

DB April 22, 2009 5:00 PM  

Mitt Romney is a moderate. Perhaps you should visit his blog, concerned.

http://moderates4mitt.blogspot.com/

Concerned Moderate April 22, 2009 5:01 PM  

Was is it about "Conservatives For Palin" you misunderstood prior to making your tired presumptions?

Yeah, it was a pretty lousy assumption to give conservatives credit for thinking. I really, really do want to give that to you, but the tone of this discussion is quickly convincing me otherwise.

Concerned Moderate April 22, 2009 5:02 PM  

Concerned, stay in your "neck of the woods". You might get hurt out there in that wilderness!

I'll take that as a threat good sir, and once again a demonstration of your fine character. (and who says I am from the lower 49?)

Concerned Moderate April 22, 2009 5:03 PM  

And why wouldn't I visit Mitt Romney's website. And Guiliani's. And Obama's. We don't all have to live in gated communities of our own kind.

Oh, maybe you do. Sorry.

upinak April 22, 2009 5:06 PM  

Concerned, how is it that you have come to the conclussion that you did?

You didn't read the rest of the comments... I am getting the subtle hint that you just read the blog and thought "Oh Gee, lets comment on how everyone else thinks since I do not see anything on here that would be concidered an Alaskan."

Assumptions are the reason why we are in the mess in the first place. You assume Obama would be better then everyone else, so you voted for him. Now with over 15 Trilkion in debt, the Media going after Palin (let us not forget our dear Alaskan ethical complaintees) and any other liberal source, you come here and expect everyone to get your view point and "understand" your side.

Well FYI, I see it hard to see your side when you aren't up here to understand the whole dynamic of the situation.

So why don't you stop with the elistist BS and maybe ask some questions, read, figure it out. You might learn something and be a little more the wiser in the long run.

DB April 22, 2009 5:06 PM  

Concerned, I agree, you should visit that website. I'm sure you'll be inspired.

David April 22, 2009 5:09 PM  

Hello R.A., you said, "My mind can't grasp the politics of personal destruction."

With all due respect, have you considered that your mind cannot also grasp that Governor Palin's understanding of ethics and her ability to refrain from questionable ethical behaviour is at least, in part, responsible for these persistent ethics complaints?

If we categorize everyone who raises an issue about ethics regarding Sarah as an 'anklebiter,' aren't we attacking the messenger instead of exploring the message they carry?

I would like to think that Sarah has a decent shot at winning another election, whether it is for Governor of Alaska, Senator from Alaska, or candidate for U.S. President. But how best to support her?

When we engage in snide comments (e.g. people who have a right to file an ethics complaint against her are automatically labeled "vindictive nothingburgers"?) I think we do our cause a disservice. We have to be able to address issues dispassionately, and provide chapter and verse to counter any legal claims.

We also have to be centered enough to let Sarah know when she's gone out of bounds. Otherwise, we'll just be seen as people for whom she can do no wrong. And I'd like to think that is a flawed description.

Concerned Moderate April 22, 2009 5:10 PM  

upinak: "Assumptions are the reason why we are in the mess in the first place. You assume Obama would be better then everyone else, so you voted for him."
=================================

and you just "assumed" I voted for Obama! Ha!

DB April 22, 2009 5:12 PM  

David,
Have you read Ms. Tompkins' complaint? How is establishing a PAC a violation of ethics?

Concerned Moderate April 22, 2009 5:12 PM  

Seriously, upinak. Here is a question for you. Why is Palin considered a "fiscal conservative" when as mayor of her town she brought in millions in earmarks and left an over-$20 million deficit. And the whole earmark thing didn't stop until she was nominated VP. I really and struggling to see how she is fiscally conservative.

DB April 22, 2009 5:16 PM  

Concerned, it has been well documented that the number of earmarks under the Palin Administration has fallen each year since she came into office.

With that, I'm outta here. I'm rounding third and heading home.

iac April 22, 2009 5:16 PM  

David,
Have a look at today's comment threads and note the asinine contributions from the followers of "progressive bloggers" who are helping to orchestrate and encourage the frivolous ethics complaints seeking to ruin the Palin family.

With all due respect, please don't patronise us with your concerns about whether the excellent contributors here should remain dispassionate.

LouisianaRedneck April 22, 2009 5:19 PM  

Iac,

Well said. The losers in all this, is the people of Alaska. Sarah can't sneeze without someone b_tching about it.

David April 22, 2009 5:20 PM  

Hello DB,

Yes I've read the complaint. I don't know enough about the law involved to provide good advice on whether establishing a PAC would be a violation of the law in Sarah's case.

I'd need to know something more about the funds that PAC collects -- who has access to them, under what circumstances can they be spent, and who has the controlling authority on the accounts they are kept in.

It is unusual for an elected official who is NOT a candidate to be soliciting, collecting and spending funds for personal purposes.

Yogi41 April 22, 2009 5:23 PM  

Concerned,

You're not interested in learning anything about the Governor, so spare the question about you're struggling to figure out why she's a conservative. You've made up your mind that she's not, and you've made up your mind that you don't like her as Gov. nor will you support her.

Fine - that's your decision and I'm certain you will find a candidate you can support and vote for. You've stated it and you really don't have to keep trying to pick fights with those of us who do support her.

Nothing you say will convince us otherwise and nothing we say to you will convince you. We know the reason you came to this blog is to pick a fight. You pretend you're struggling with why we see her the way we do, so you ask the question. Someone here responds with her record. You pounce and deny her record and begin to rehash lies and smears about her and then the thread blows up and everyone is angry. You, sir or madam, are then satisfied.

Your true objective is try to anger us and it just won't work. Spare yourself and find a blog that will engage in the type of discourse you crave; you won't find it here.

TommyReport April 22, 2009 5:24 PM  

Concerned,

So if Palin wasn't a fiscal conservative, wouldn't that make her a moderate? And you support moderates right?

JJT April 22, 2009 5:25 PM  

Dear conservatives, if this complaint is frivolous, then why are you so angry about it? It's a golden opportunity for Sarah Palin to show the world how Alaskans are treating her.


You Reap What You Sow:

THE DEFINITIONS:
1. Everything that you do has repercussions. It comes back to you one way or another.
2. You cannot escape the consequences of your actions. What you do comes back to you.
3. You will see the long-term effects of your actions.

This is what's happening folks!
Get used to it!

JJT April 22, 2009 5:27 PM  

But: don't take it from me, take from the many Alaskans that are truly tired of SP.

TommyReport April 22, 2009 5:28 PM  

The funniest segment I saw from the last election was Shannyn Moore on MSDNC arguing that Palin was a right-wing zealot while at the same time claiming that she's not a fiscal conservative.

If she's not a fiscal conservative, then how is she a right-wing zealot? And even accepting the argument that she's not a fiscal conservative, why is that an issue considering that you were supporting a candidate who was a big government liberal?

upinak April 22, 2009 5:34 PM  

Concerned you don't live in my State, so I have to decline on bothering with your "understanding".

JJT, interesting.. you do realize your statement can GO both ways!

Have a great day. :)

ugafish April 22, 2009 5:36 PM  
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Concerned Moderate April 22, 2009 5:36 PM  

No Yogi41, you are wrong, except when you say that you have your minds made up and I can't change them. I know that, and I don't want to change them. I would just like to see SOME analysis, some debate, even some disagreement (it is healthy!). And you just tell me to go away. Fine, I can spend all my time reading and discussing "one side" of an issue, and with your encouragement take a simple, divisive stand.

And you wonder why people accuse Palin of being divisive?

I will continue to read the site, whether you like it or not.

JJT April 22, 2009 5:39 PM  

Upinak says:
JJT, interesting.. you do realize your statement can GO both ways!

Upinak, I know that. With this governor, anything goes, she will try to strike back. And that, I'm sure, is the only reason for this complaint.

Yogi41 April 22, 2009 5:40 PM  

Yes, JJT, a full 40% of you are tired of Gov. Palin and guess what? In 2010, you can cast your vote against her! If all 40% of you Alaskans vote against her, guess what? She still wins...

Everyone understands that anyone who holds a political office will never have 100% support. You must be daft to think we believe everyone in Alaska loves her; we know they don't and we know that "some" of them will get their kicks by filing complaints, posting slanderous lies on blogs, and writing comments in newspapers.

Just like you getting a rush coming on here to post and hoping to get noticed; what's missing in your life that you need this attention from anonymous bloggers? Never mind - I don't want to know and I don't care. Just know you're not having any effect at all on this blog.

upinak April 22, 2009 5:41 PM  

JJT, I don't think it will be the Gov. honestly.

It will be people like myself whom are tired of people like you!

:) I don't think you read the thread comments either. Welcome to "Ethical" come backs. I am tired of the money being wasted on frivilous items due to disingenous peopel filling claims that are truely false and fraudulent.

As I said before, have a GREAT Day! :)

TommyReport April 22, 2009 5:42 PM  

CM,

I just provided what was a pretty witty response to your concern about Palin's fiscal conservative credentials, a concern that I find questionable considering that you are a self-proclaimed moderate. Do you care to respond with similar aplomb to my post?

TommyReport April 22, 2009 5:43 PM  

JJT is from Holland or some European country. He has engaged in some interesting dialogue with this blog's European followers.

upinak April 22, 2009 5:45 PM  

Tommy... it is the mind set of people whom are like JJT whom I am going after.

May it be international or her in Alaska. I honestly do not care anymore.

sandra April 22, 2009 5:46 PM  

manajordan: You may want to correct your description of oxytocin. It is produced in the hypothalmus, not the heart.

Lipstick April 22, 2009 5:47 PM  

Manajordon:

Thank you for your heartfelt post.

I agree with all of your points.

Hate to make you feel worse but I work with middle school kids, have for years. It is so sad to see how they speak to each other, treat each other.

It has gotten worse every year.

They are so quick to turn vile and make broad, horrible comments to each other. Many times it is said across the room as a comment to someone who was not even speaking to them, they just jump into a conversation or comment made in class after being called on to speak. They feel even though they are not invovled that it is OK to say the worst things to someone. It still amazes me and you feel bad that because of that you have to allow no comments at all.

The next generation coming up, I fear, will be worse than we are in regards to having a hobby of going on message boards and just saying horrible things.

DrChill April 22, 2009 5:48 PM  

I'd like to offer my $.02
Here, I see a lot of speculation about motives, and the character of the people filing the complaints. Speculation about for example, confining Gov Palin to AK, or participation in a campaign against her. Haters ...

There's also a lot of dismissal of the complaints as frivolous, and I see predictions that they will not hold up.

I read the new moderator's post, and he explained how this blog and other blogs should be used in a new era of information. With that in mind I'd like to suggest 2 things.

If you want to defend Gov Palin, contribute to her legal defense, as this is the most practical approach.

Second, regarding effective blogging; turn your attention to the merits of the arguments being made, and not the motive, character, intelligence or feelings off those making accusations.

If you want to be taken seriously engage the arguments seriously.

If you, even as a non-lawyer -know- that the lawsuits really are frivolous and without merit, then surely you can make a good argument for your point of view.

If you're so sure, then you should be able to explain why she was acting as governor, or not. Explain why she was doing Alaskan business or not. You should explain why she did not personally benefit herself, or if she did, why it doesn't matter.

You should explain why legislators are wrong to say she was absent when important business needed to be done.

And you should be able to do it with clear focus on the argument, without getting distracted by personalities.

But if I'm wrong, and this is just a cheer leading site for Sarah Palin, then hoorays for Sarah and her supporters, and boos for everyone else; and then don't bother to explain; no one wants to hear why.

JJT April 22, 2009 5:48 PM  

Yogi41, I think 40% is still a lot, as I said that's many Alaskans.
Of course I hope to get noticed, I would like to have an honest discussion. What's your reason for reading this blog?

Upinak, I am just following the thread here. I did not write the articles about the complaints, I just read them and have an opinion. Would you like to tell me what's wrong with that?

JJT April 22, 2009 5:52 PM  

Dr. Chill, I totally agree.

Tbone April 22, 2009 5:55 PM  

JJT,
According to Rasmussen 46% disapprove of Obama. That means alot of people disapprove of him.

VidSweet April 22, 2009 5:56 PM  

How about an "attack" this time in addition to defense? that is, let's have someone file frivolous ethics complaints. and in some cases, real ethics complaints-- like diane feinstein and the dems in alaska? RINOs too. I have to read that rules for radical book by alinsky.

attack, offense on top of defense.

as for the legislature, a work offense for notworking that day.

upinak April 22, 2009 5:56 PM  

Chill, you have been one to disregard those whom have stated and shown the liability of problematic assualts and lie pinned against Sarah concerning frivilous items.

Yet it is interesting how you write this as to be in the middle?

JJT, it isn't the opinion you have.. it is the candor and effort in which you put it forth. Completely different.

TommyReport April 22, 2009 5:58 PM  

Concerned Moderate,

Where did you go pal? You can see from my witty comeback that I'm ready for a debate as you requested! Don't tell me you are shying away from the very thing that you requested....

upinak April 22, 2009 6:00 PM  

This is now on HotAir as a starring Blog.

Interesting how the trolls seem to vanish.

Tbone April 22, 2009 6:01 PM  

There is no violation of ethics for leaving the state during a Legislative Session. Knowles and Murkowski did that also. I have a big problem that people can go public with an ethics complaint before filing it. I always thought you had to keep complaints private?

upinak April 22, 2009 6:02 PM  

Tbone.. are you in Alaska? Like I suspect you are.

JJT April 22, 2009 6:02 PM  

Tbone, thank you, I agree, a lot of people disapprove of Obama.

Upinak, my native tongue is not the English language. I'm doing my best here to get my point across. But I know for sure that I'm fairly moderate in my comments. I don't insult.

katiejane April 22, 2009 6:04 PM  

The only thing as annoying as a troll is a "concerned moby." You have to wonder if they have a list of sites they're assigned to spam, trolls are in charge of smears and mobies are tasked to try and convince others that they are wrong, under the guise of being undecided or more knowlegeable.

Concerned Moderate If you realy want to see SOME analysis, some debate, even some disagreement and find this site too much of a SUPPORT site for your taste, perhaps you should set up your own site?

JJT If you want to see voters dissatisfied with their governor check out Jon Corzines in NJ. He's currently at 46 percent of voters disapprove of the incumbent Democrat's job performance, compared to 40 percent who approve. Gov Palin has a long way to go before she gets in the same neighborhood as my Dem governor.

Virginia Voter April 22, 2009 6:04 PM  

Advice for Sarah Palin...if you want to stop the ethics complaints, stop breaking the law.

TommyReport April 22, 2009 6:04 PM  

Chill,

One problem with your argument is that it's up to the accuser to prove his or her case. Palin is not the accuser in this situation. The accuser has to prove the case prima facie.

Has his or her claim satisfied in proving the elements of the alleged violation? Palin doesn't have to answer one question until the accuser does what I described in the preceding sentence.

upinak April 22, 2009 6:05 PM  

JJT.. being that you are overseas (as Tommy points out) why do you care about what happens in Alaska?

What is it about Sarah and Alaska that makes your mind all a flutter? I know why germans come here as they feel it was very much like Germany (Northern) and they enjoy the wild and fishing and actually appreciate it even if they can't understand it all. Other Europeans are not so up, but at least understand the concept of Alaska... it is wild, free and peaceful (or was).

So what is it about Sarah and Alaska that bugs you?

Nancy Neumann April 22, 2009 6:06 PM  

I think it's time to start asking what undue unfluence the senior Senator from Masschusetts is trying to exert in GIVING a dog to the Obamas?

manajordan April 22, 2009 6:07 PM  

Lipstick,
You have my admiration. That is a really tough age group to work with. With all the hate that is going around there is still alot of goodness too. It just seems like it is harder to find because the hate screams more loudly.
Sandra,
Oxytocin is also produced in the heart. If you want to learn more about the field of Neurocardiology and/or Heart Rate Variability training you can check out the Heart Math institute, some people in particular to check into are Dr. Bruce Wilson,M.D. and Dr. Rollin McCraty, Ph.D. or Dr. Myron Thurber Ph.D. who teaches clinicians how to use Heart Rate Variability training.
I'm working in particular alot with adopted children on teaching them to bond.

katiejane April 22, 2009 6:07 PM  

If Gov Palin were breaking laws that would be a matter for the police not anklebiters.

DrChill April 22, 2009 6:09 PM  

My comments disappeared but were summarized in the following, Posted above:

"When we engage in snide comments (e.g. people who have a right to file an ethics complaint against her are automatically labeled "vindictive nothingburgers"?) I think we do our cause a disservice. We have to be able to address issues dispassionately, and provide chapter and verse to counter any legal claims.

We also have to be centered enough to let Sarah know when she's gone out of bounds. Otherwise, we'll just be seen as people for whom she can do no wrong."

Well said.

Concerned Moderate April 22, 2009 6:09 PM  

“The doctrine of blind obedience and unqualified submission to any human power, whether civil or ecclesiastical, is the doctrine of despotism, and ought to have no place among Republicans and Christians.” (Angela Grimke)

Think, exist.

gardunne63 April 22, 2009 6:11 PM  

Dear Govenor Edward G. Rendell of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania:

I, a citizen of the Commonwealth, would like to inform you that I have filed several ethics violations with the Attorney General in Harrisburg today for the following offenses:

- You appeared on the Fox News Channel a total of 14,985 times between the period of April 2007 and November 2008. You were advocating the candidacies of Mrs Hilary Rodham Clinton AND Mr. Barack Husseim Obama and participating in many lively debates on this channel. Despite the fact that many of your appearances were filmed from your own office in Harrisburg, your attention simply must have been diverted from the problems of the once great Commonwealth during these little on-air chats with the FNC personalities.

- You traveled outside of the Commonwealth during the month of July to attend the Democratic National Convention in Colorado. Did you obtain any agreements/contracts for new jobs in the Commonwealth during this visit?

- You were spotted traveling in your black limousine across state borders into New Jersey -headed towards Atlantic City - on three separate ocassions in September and October, 2008. Your staff could not account for your schedule on these days.

Parts IV through XXI of the ethics complaints will be filed tomorrow.

Thank you,

A concerned citizen


( I am SO sick of these AK AnkleBiters!!! Move to Pennsylvania you fools and meet the true definition of unethical behavior in the statehouse.)

katiejane April 22, 2009 6:15 PM  

gardunne63 - maybe they could bounce between PA and NJ to learn how to identify real ehtics violations

TommyReport April 22, 2009 6:17 PM  

Concerned Moderate,

Still waiting for a witty response in response to my witty response.

techno April 22, 2009 6:18 PM  

Folks a minor panic has spread in the Obama camp;

Rasmussen has 46% now disapproving of his performance as President the same percentage as voted for McCain.

I predicted if he ever sunk that low he would be putting his fighting gloves on.

Look at the spike of troll activity at C4P. Does that tell you anything about how the Messiah and his team perceive Sarah?

And Sarah is probably going to speak at the NRA Convention in May.

Sure Obama wants Sarah to stay in her bailiwick 'where she belongs'.

JJT April 22, 2009 6:18 PM  

Upinak, I will answer your question, but I think you will not like it. I'll try to modify "the candor".

I hated Bush, and I hated the way my government stepped in when Bush asked. We had soldiers in Iraq. Not the real fighting kind of soldiers, just some batallions in an area that was not conceived as being dangerous. But: The Netherlands supported Bush. Our government believed the lies that were told about WMD.
Now we're in Afghanistan too.
I hated what Bush was doing to the American people.
I hated the way Bush behaved, how he never read a book, how he won the elections.

You may be a fan of Bush, that's okay with me.

I see parallels comparing the attitude of Palin with the attitude of Bush. And I certainly see parallels comparing their supporters. I am trying to figure out why people support Palin. How they choose to not see her errors, for instance.

There's a lot of that here.

sandra April 22, 2009 6:21 PM  

Manajordan: This is not the place for a scientific discussion. I checked your source and found no back up by a refereed journal. Your techniques may be very effective, and I applaud your concerns, but you may want to check the validity of this particular premise.

upinak April 22, 2009 6:27 PM  

JJT... honestly is fine. I can appreciate it even though much of it is false, as I think where you got the information.

But here is something to think about. Alaska is not the whole of the U.S. and the fact that Afghanistan has started way before Iraq is another issue all together. If you hate Bush that is fine. I don't hate Bush, I don't agree with quite a bit of what he did... but he was not nearly the worst president.

Sarah is not in Federal Governemtn so I am not sure where you are going and why you hate her other then the news programs you could watch.

Also... Obama isn't exactly making things great here in my Nation. If you haven't noticed, many people are upset concerning a document that calls the people whom live and work and are veteran Soldiers.. terrorists. You don't think that is a tad odd? WOuld you or your friends who did something for the good of your country, like to be called terrorists later for being decent? I think not. The Money ... that would be a stickler for anyone.. it wouldn't matter what Nation was doing it. You are seeing our Nation with interesting and maybe varied and not totally truthful points where you are, but you can at least ask the truth in here. I do hope you do.

But concerning Sarah and Alaska... I really don't see why the hatred is there. She isn't a threat to you. So why not ask before judging. Heck ask me... I don't have a problem explaining it. But get both sides before making a decision.

Tbone April 22, 2009 6:27 PM  

upinak,
I am not from Alaska.

section9 April 22, 2009 6:36 PM  

Chill,

Were there merit to these ethics complaints, we'd be concerned. As it is, they anger us. Why? They are a transparent attempt to play politics out of the Saul Alinsky playbook.

Do you actually believe that we're stupid enough not to have heard of Rules for Radicals by now?

We weren't born yesterday. We know what's going on. We know that there's nothing substantive to these ethics charges. And we know that the White House is basically behind it.

Please. If you want to be a concern troll, go peddle stupid to those who haven't heard of Alinsky's playbook before.

CelticDiva April 22, 2009 6:36 PM  

I wonder if I can file a complaint against the complaintees for malicious intent of using voter monie(s) that is used to bankrupt a Gov.Uhhhh...yeah...using the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act or the public employees ethics laws to file a complaint against a private citizen.

Good luck with that...


Upinak,
How does it work? Do the taxpayers of Alaska have to pay for the personnel board to deal with these frivolous charges?
Pssssst...Alaska doesn't have a State Income Tax...

...next...

Again, I'm not a lawyer. I just had a thought on another possible avenue of legal action. Could an Alaskan taxpayer sue the three frivolous filers, McCleod, Tompkins, abd Diva on the grounds that they have forced the state to waste taxpayer dollars? Sigh...once again...THERE IS NO STATE INCOME TAX!!!!

Sheesh...

There is no violation of ethics for leaving the state during a Legislative Session. Knowles and Murkowski did that also. 1) The Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act wasn't around for Knowles or Murkowski. Palin promoted it as part of her "reformer" image.

2) As I read it, this complaint is about the fact that Palin is taking a trip paid for by a PAC when she is not involved in a campaign that has NO benefit to the State of Alaska but DOES have "personal benefit" to Sarah Palin. That's against the Ethics Act.

I have a big problem that people can go public with an ethics complaint before filing it.Only if you are a State Employee. The only thing they can do is fire you.

Before filing it there is no privacy issue. It is not OK to discuss the progress of the actual investigation once that has started.

Oh...and good post, Chill!

Toki April 22, 2009 6:41 PM  

Concerned Moderate said...
“The doctrine of blind obedience and unqualified submission to any human power, whether civil or ecclesiastical, is the doctrine of despotism, and ought to have no place among Republicans and Christians.” (Angela Grimke)

Think, exist.April 22, 2009 6:09 PM

HaHa!

Your "deep intellectual thought" fell a little flat there, buddy.

You sound like a angst ridden pre-teen. Let me guess, you love Brandon Boyd's "poetry" and you have koi fish tattooed all over your body, right?

Rage Against the Machine!

You can see the colors, but do you feel them?

upinak April 22, 2009 6:42 PM  

Hey Joseph.. there goes Diva, merging posts together that makes her "alternative reality" come to life!

portlandon April 22, 2009 6:42 PM  

"Concerned" Moderate

catchy name. I've seen it before. Mostly at Politico during the election fawning over King Obahmbo. You've been trolling for quite awhile.

DrChill April 22, 2009 6:44 PM  

TommyReport said...
Chill,
---------
Do you mean Me? DrChill?

I don't suggest that you be her legal defense. I suggest that you be conversant in her defense.
You can blog - "Sarah's great!, and if you don't like it leave you doofus."
Thats fine. Really.
But I won't participate, and few will take that approach seriously.

Demeaning and disparaging her detractors isn't much better.

I'm suggesting that the best way to support Palin is to have a lively and conversant ability to explain why you support her.

When she's criticized, you should be able to engage in a clear debate about the issue.

Sometimes, a fair and honest argument ( just good natured verbal chess ) is the best way to get at the truth.

Who knows where that will lead?

TommyReport April 22, 2009 6:46 PM  

Chill,

I apologize for dispensing with titles on this thread. Please accept my apologies for not recognizing your doctorate.

There is no need to be conversant in her defense until the accuser can establish a prima facie case. Surely, with your doctorate degree, you understand what that means.

portlandon April 22, 2009 6:48 PM  

Celtic Logger is back! How's Sondra Tompkins doing? I hope she follows your model of "File & run" yellow citizenship. Gov. Palin really gets stuck in your craw doesn't she? Was it because she reminds you of the pretty girls in school who used to ignore you? Was it because Palin sets goals for herself and actually achieves them? Is it because her grassroots campaign to the Governorship bypassed your normal corrupt tangled roots of backroom deals & broken promises?

JJT April 22, 2009 6:53 PM  

Upinak, I sent you a reply earlier, but it didn't get trough, I guess.

So again:

I never said that I hate SP.

The document you are referring to does not say anything wrong about veterans, just that right-wing extremists are trying to recrute veterans for their cause. It's Fox (we get that here in Holland) that's twisting the facts around.

manajordan April 22, 2009 6:53 PM  

Sandra,
I sincerly apologize if I sounded argumentative at all. That is not my intent.
God Bless you.
You are right this is not the place for scientific discussion. But, here's are a link to start with if you want to learn more. And please feel welcome to come visit my blog, (it is linked up to my blogger post) if you want to continue the discussion.

http://www.heartmath.org/research/science-of-the-heart.html?Itemi=0

TommyReport April 22, 2009 6:58 PM  

JJT,

Do you get this show in Holland?

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/zontv/2009/04/rachel_maddow_msnbc.html

Concerned Moderate, I'm still waiting for a response....

upinak April 22, 2009 6:58 PM  

JJT.. I am sorry. The I Hate Bush seemed like it was also twoards Sarah.

JJT fox doesn't always get it right either. But would you mind holding off and ask someone in Alaska what is going on? As you can see many Alaskan Media outlets are also not telling the whole truth.

upinak April 22, 2009 6:59 PM  

And with that I have to run away.

You all have a great day.. wherever you are.

David April 22, 2009 7:02 PM  

Katiejane, if Governor Palin was breaking ethics rules (some of which she worked to establish), it is not a matter for police or law enforcement. It is a matter for the Alaska Personnel Board.

What distresses me is the possibility that Sarah's claim as an ethics reformer will be challenged -- and even invalidated -- when she is connected to several instances of even the appearance of ethical failures.

The important point is, she could better control what she does and how she is perceived. At times, I think she really doesn't understand how these things are connected... witness her spitting match with her grandson's father.

JJT April 22, 2009 7:05 PM  

TommyReport,
no we don't get that show, but I watched it a while ago on the net.
We get Letterman, Al Jazeera, Al Jazeera for kids, MSNBC, BBC 1 to 4.
I watch Leno, The Daily Show, Colbert
and so on.

Thank you for the tip, I did not know Rachel's numbers were declining.

Lipstick April 22, 2009 7:10 PM  

This will bug Palin I am sure.

I am slow, but I do not see how her traveling using PAC money to speak at a nonpartisan event is breaking any law or ethics.

Saying "Oh, but it was a partisan event" does not MAKE it one. What you think does not count in court, it is the facts that count.

I am happy that Sarah is popular both in and out of Alaska. This is another fact that cannot be disputed. You may not like Palin, all your friends may not like her as well, but it does not change the fact that she has a (at last poll) a 62% approval rating in Alaska. Nor does it change the fact that when she comes to the lower 48 she draws huge crowds. Does not matter if you LIKE the people who make up the crowds, they are still crowds. 1,000's of people.

Sarah's popularity will allow her to raise millions to pay for these uncalled for ethics complaints.

I am not Techno but I will use a quick sports link. If you have filled 10 ethics complaints and NONE have stuck you are batting what? HMMMMMMM.

That track record proves that these charges are uncalled for alone.

Sarah will not go bankrupt. She will have plenty of money to pay for her legal defense.

Whether she ever runs for another office again or if she ever wins another election again she will be wildly successful. I am sure her book she will write will sell reasonably well (Sure that all those 1,000's of people will buy it if they will go to hear her speak). She can do the speaker circuit and make tons. Not to mention she may be the RNC chair someday. Perhaps even appointed to a cabinet postion in a Rep. administration someday.

Meanwhile, what of all these people who saved Alaska from this evil, horrible governor?

Well, I am sure they will love the secret meetings where undue influence is used. Appointing your relatives to high political office, taking bribes from the oil companies and all the rest will return to your great state.

Thank goodness Sarah was stopped and Alaska returned to the past.

Meanwhile Sarah will be rich, happy and helping her nation any way she can.

JJT April 22, 2009 7:11 PM  

Like Upinak, I have to go.
It's 01:09 AM here.

(DrChill and David: quality posts!)


Have a great day.

narciso April 22, 2009 7:13 PM  

God you don't understand why the Dutch are in Afghanistan,
seriously, you forget about a little thing called 9/11, and sanctuaries for AQ. Rest assured AQ will likely mark your land, soon anyday now. The DHS report didn't name groups, or veterans prominent in said networks, but it
just identified beliefs, which coincidentally are part of the peaceful political opposition to Obama. David, we know Rule 4 of Alinsky,'make the target follow
their own rules to an impossible
degree'; don't think we're that naive. And Article 12" pick your target, isolate it, separate it from support networks, attacks on personalities are better than institutions" Nice try, thanks for playing.

Greg April 22, 2009 7:18 PM  

Just another unhappy, bitter person, much like Celtic Diva, who gets joy from trying to spread their unhappiness to others.

Wouldn't be too surprised to find out that Tomkins even resembles CD, fat, unattractive, probably bullied, laughed at, teased, and in other ways tormented as a child, and made to feel inferior as a teenager, and young adult, probably never held more than a marginal job.

What infuriates these types in particular, is when their chosen target appears to be happy, quite satisfied, and successful, in spite of their efforts. IN other words these people are pathetic, and if they weren't targeting someone we actually like, we would actually have nothing but pity for them, instead of contempt.

AKReport April 22, 2009 7:19 PM  

To all you Trolls

We Are right

You Are Wrong

Thats the End of the Story.

juju April 22, 2009 7:23 PM  

Dr. Chill: Is there some law in AK that prohibits the Governor from leaving the State to give a speech??

Why it may seem strange and petty to us in the lower 48 to hear complaints about this type of thing is that all Governors do this here...it promotes their state's in most cases. (like Sarah told us lots about AK in her speech). Even the President has been who knows where.. too many places for me to remember in less then 100 days taking 4 or 5 jets to get him to and from. Now to complain about that would not be petty. Palin paid her own expenses to go to Indiana. Didn't the legislature go to DC at the state's expense for a week. Did you complain about that??

A lot of political figures have Pacs..if they are a popular leader so they can travel to give speeches for the candidates they want to support...they also give the money to help other candidates. Are the people in AK that uninformed that they are not aware of the fact this is not unusual???

We find it amazing and appears to be done by an organized effort to discredit Palin...Not because you really object (please tell me no one is really that petty)but to place Palin in a poor light.

Unfortunately, you all have started doing it too early. It will all be forgotten by election time or it will be so old hat no one will pay any attention. We here and at other Sarah sites are exposing you everyday. Bet you didn't have that a year ago...won't work now..you are just looking so petty.

AKReport April 22, 2009 7:24 PM  

very good Work R. A. Mansour !


this one was to easy!

bitterclinger April 22, 2009 7:27 PM  

Toki! Where have you been? Keeping some unruly commies in line? (like in DC?) I was getting worried about you.

howIroll April 22, 2009 7:28 PM  

Celtic Diva, your interpretation of the ethics law gave me the laugh of the day. I was online today chatting with several fellow trial attorneys--members of the Alaska State Bar. They got as big a chuckle out of this complaint as I did. Under your interpretation, Palin could never leave the state to engage in any activity unless it benefited the state of Alaska. Her PAC is a leadership PAC, not a candidates/political PAC. So, if she decided to campaign for fellow GOP'ers in the lower 48, it'd be an ethics violation? If she went on vacation out of state, it'd be an ethics violation if she happened to take a side trip involving a "leadership activity" (which, btw, has a VERY broad definition). Not to mention, if you listened to the speech, she spent about 20 minutes promoting Alaska and asking those in attendance to visit the state. So I guess promoting tourism, which is a large, important industry in Alaska, is not in the best interest of the state?

juju April 22, 2009 7:28 PM  

What distresses me is the possibility that Sarah's claim as an ethics reformer will be challenged -- and even invalidated -- when she is connected to several instances of even the appearance of ethical failures.
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DAVID GIVE ME (US) A BREAK...You are not the least distressed. People are not stupid..they know a real ethics violation when they see one and they know a petty one when they see it.

Ethics didn't hurt Hillary from running for President after the "thingie" in the oval office her husband did with a 20+ year old.
So we here are not the least worried about Sarah Palin and we are here to help her with money and comments. Thanks for your concern

AKReport April 22, 2009 7:31 PM  

Concerned Moderate <--- Sock puppet

:)

sandra April 22, 2009 7:31 PM  

Thanks for adding the bit about Ms. Tompkins. I wish you would apply the posting rules about insults to individuals. What a woman looks like doesn't tell you a lot. We've all seen Susan Boyle as a good demonstration of that. Many of us who are not "star" quality in looks can be very accomplished in other ways. Please focus on the topic rather than the individual.

hrh April 22, 2009 7:38 PM  

Chill, apparently you haven't spent enough time here, either reading the blog posts or the comments.

Post after post goes point by point through smear articles or ethics complaints debunking them with sourced facts.

With links to AK govt websites quoting stats, laws, etc.

With links to other govs, states, and govt stats to put the Palin accusations in perspective.

With links that debunk the very authors of some of these stories or the quoted sources in these stories as being nothing but partisan hacks or those that have personal beefs with Palin.

I, for example, in a comment in a lower post made 3 cogent points about just how the Governor of Alaska served the State of Alaska by giving that speech in Indiana. How she did what all governors are supposed to do for their states. Promote, promote, promote.

Not to mention the fact that this trip was billed as a 36-hour vacation by the governor's spokesperson. Which means she was still serving Alaska even while on vacation!

And she gets an ethics violation for that.

And one filed by a special needs mom to criticize a woman for going to a special needs charity event.

If you don't see the sensible point by point argument against the sheer frivolity and illogical nature of this latest complaint then you don't want to see it.

As you haven't seen the logical debunking of Palin smears throughout this blog's posts and comments sections.

DrChill April 22, 2009 7:43 PM  

Master Thomas Report Esq III said...
Chill,

I apologize for dispensing with titles on this thread.
===========================
Sincerely?

Its part of my screen name.

The Dr isn't for Doctor its
" Gangsta " a joke...

If I called you Tommy Repo, I'd be taking too familiar liberties with your screen name.

I don't know if you meant to be discourteous, but thats how I took it.

wisetrog April 22, 2009 7:48 PM  

So the European troll JJT has gone away before I came here. He doesn't approve that his country has sent a puny contingent of troops to Iraq and Afghanistan? What a surprise. i am sure the next time the Europeans erects a fascist state or al-qaeda blows their butts off or their European friends start another genocide, they wouldn't have a moment's compunction dragging America in. Europe is truly the Continent of Iago.

Anyway, his remarks are revealing. So he hates Bush and therefore hates Palin because Palin reminds him of Bush? Yeah, that makes sense. BDS was never about Bush alone. It only goes to show that liberals demonize conservative political figures and they have transferred their hate to Palin.

I hope that when your miserable tiny country gets islamicized and al-qaeda sets off WMDS in yours midst, I hope that President Palin will not lift a finger to save your sorry butts. But that won't happen. Sarah and America always give, unlike the miserly Europeans.

AKReport April 22, 2009 7:50 PM  

Sarah needs to go on BOR imo

wisetrog April 22, 2009 7:53 PM  

Dr Chill and other liberal trolls, why don't you be consistent and start filing ethics violation charges against President Obama when he jet sets to Illinois for a pizza? Why was there no problem when he attended his senate duties for 143 days and then pretty much campaigned for President?

Why is the same rigor not applied to Democratic governors like Corzine( who has been reported missing from his duties for most of the year)?

DrChill April 22, 2009 8:05 PM  

hrh said...
Chill, apparently you haven't spent enough time here, either reading the blog posts or the comments.

Post after post goes point by point through smear articles or ethics complaints debunking them with sourced facts.
------------------
DrChill if you please.

Right. Just a few days here, and I haven't seen any of it yet. Nothing serious about this latest complaint.

"These are considered "bribes" now? Wow, just wow."

Were I'm from, thats not a point, not a fact, and its not even close to an argument.

The bribes she admitted to , and joked about, are small. The flight and paid expenses, can not be dismissed with eye rolls and goofaws.

And I'm pretty sure the Governor can not have been both on the clock and not on the clock at the same time as you suggest.

>>If you don't see the sensible point by point argument against the sheer frivolity and illogical nature of this latest complaint then you don't want to see it.

I've read the point by point complaint.

If I wanted to play rhetorical games I'd quote you back and say if you don't see the seriousness of the complaint you don't want to see it.

But its not about me or you.
I'm not making the complaint.
I'm not asking you to defend against it.

I just observe superficial dismissal, and I don't see serious attempts at rebuttal.

Its not your job. But I thought -someone- here might be conversant enough to seriously address it.

DrChill

Toki April 22, 2009 8:05 PM  

Why is the same rigor not applied to Democratic governors like Corzine( who has been reported missing from his duties for most of the year)?

You've crossed the line, Mr. Trog. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY attacks my Governor like that!

I'll have you know that he has accomplished a lot from his time in the Hamptons! He dosen't have to be in New Jersey to raise its taxes FYI.
/sigh...

Videmus Omnia April 22, 2009 8:11 PM  

Dr. Chill, her flight and expenses were paid completely by her supporters, which is clear from the linked articles.

She didn't even take any security, which frankly had us a little concerned.

DrChill April 22, 2009 8:13 PM  

wisetrog said...
Dr Chill and other liberal trolls, why don't you be consistent and start filing ethics violation charges
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I came here twice to give a thumbs up on the 1st ammendment stand expressed here.

Along the way someone asked me to make a case fo a point of view and I did.

If you don't want to discuss issues, and if you merely want to label people you don't know, then thats up to you.

I was hoping people would be willing to tell me how they arrived at their point of view.

Is this the wrong place for that?

Does it bother you?

DrChill April 22, 2009 8:16 PM  

Videmus Omnia said...
Dr. Chill, her flight and expenses were paid completely by her supporters, which is clear from the linked articles.
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I believe thats part of the complaint.
To over simplify a bit, She was either paid to do official duties, or she was paid to not do them.
The acceptance of something of value in relation to her position is at the heart of the complaint.

So, you sort of confirmed it.

Jody April 22, 2009 8:18 PM  

WAR is on Eddie Burke right now.
They are talking about the ethics complaint and more.

www.kbyr.com

DrChill April 22, 2009 8:21 PM  

Toki said...
Why is the same rigor not applied to Democratic governors like Corzine
-------
Isn't it obvious!?
I think she has both a natural and a studied quality that people connect to, and she aspires to high office and rose to power as an ethical reformer amid ethical complaints.

None of that is true of the NJ Governor. It makes people from around the globe ask whats up with her?

wisetrog April 22, 2009 8:29 PM  

Dr. Chill @ 8.21 Isn't it obvious!?
I think she has both a natural and a studied quality that people connect to, and she aspires to high office and rose to power as an ethical reformer amid ethical complaints.
So, according to your ethical system, a corrupt or a dull person has no reason to fear scrutiny. If a person is honest or if she tries to get better or if she tries to do some good or if she can attract some people, you 'll hamper her in any way possible. If a person brings ethics reform, cleaning the Augean stables of Big Oil and corporatism, you'd hound her by making frivolous complaints? Just making ethical complaints, complaints without merit, complaints unsubstantiated and you think that will besmirch her quest for ethics and reform?

howIroll April 22, 2009 8:30 PM  

"She didn't even take any security, which frankly had us a little concerned."

Fear not...over 20 Indiana State Troopers volunteered to give the Governor security while she was there. It's a good thing, too---the crowd was so large on the streets around the event that the troopers had to close several streets/intersections.

sarah palin rocks April 22, 2009 8:39 PM  

Wisetrog:

The double standards and hypocrisy of Sarah's critics is just mind numbing. It is just a lot of background noise and nonsense. The truth behind the filing of all these frivolous ethics charges is slowly coming into the light. The end result will be Epic Fail just like with the manufactured "troopergate" nonsense. Sooner or later we will learn the real story of who is behind these filings and what their motivations are.

It seems that these "ethics" filings against Sarah are being undertaken out of pure vindictiveness and envy and as a means of trying to tarnish Sarah's public image. However, it's too late. Sarah's reputation was already established on record before McCain picked her.

There are numerous positive articles, interviews and books about Sarah's record that the McCain campaign failed to bring to the public's attention because they were overwhelmed and short on time. The truth will eventually come out. You can't hide the truth forever and there are still a few honest reporters and pundits in the MSM that won't participate in the smear Sarah campaign.

On the contrary, all these "ankle biters" have done is provide proof to skeptics that there may be a coordinated attempt to bring Sarah down because she is a threat to the establishment status quo and the good ole' boys network.

Sarah will have the support of lots of us ordinary barbarians who will donate generously to help her. She will come out the winner in all this. These "ankle biters" are like gnats to a thoroughbred.

hrh April 22, 2009 8:40 PM  

Who said she was paid for either event?

Clyde April 22, 2009 8:43 PM  

Judy-- Could you please give us a summary of what is being said on Burke's show thanks.

ZH April 22, 2009 8:46 PM  

This whole ethics complaint thing against Gov.Palin is complete rubbish; it is all bogus and it purpose is to bankrupt Sarah Palin and her family and link her name with "ethics complaints".

It is childish and it cost the tax payer much money.

wisetrog April 22, 2009 8:50 PM  

I used to be an avid Ayn Rand reader and I am slowly realizing that much of her critique is specific to American progressivism even though she generalized it to include all statism and corporatism. And she said the essence of the left is hatred of the good for being the good.

When I read Dr Chill's admission that they are going after Sarah because she is an honest, attractive person who has made a career out of fighting corruption and bringing ethics to a corrupt process-- stuff the progressives keep talking about, I knew that Rand's formulation describes him and his ilk best.

Hatred of the good for being the good.

ellen April 22, 2009 9:01 PM  

@wisetrog

Not only has she made a career out of fighting corruption, but she got to where she is today on her own- without the aid of the government.
Palin represents exactly how a free American can make themselves into whatever they want. Nothing is more frustrating to a lib who wants government to be the end all be all.

wisetrog April 22, 2009 9:04 PM  

ellen, a very good point.

CelticDiva April 22, 2009 9:09 PM  

Under your interpretation...It's not my ethics complaint,

...Palin could never leave the state to engage in any activity unless it benefited the state of Alaska.No one would begrudge her a vacation outside if she paid for everything herself like the rest of us do.

Her PAC is a leadership PAC, not a candidates/political PAC.That's only relevant federally...it doesn't guarantee that a leadership PAC is allowed on a state-by-state basis. From what I've read the complaint doesn't care what type of PAC she has established. The point of mentioning the campaigning issue seemed to be that it might actually give her a reason to leave the state on a non-state business trip for "personal benefit" paid for by another entity. The fact is-- she hasn't announced yet as a Gubernatorial candidate (and you can't legally collect money for it yet anyway) and it's nowhere close to time to announce for 2012, yet she's traveling for "personal benefit" on the dime of donors who have expectations of her when they give the money. That fits the basic definition of a contract.

I completely see Sondra's point about that not only being outside employment but also misusing her position.

The fact that you and your right-wing Alaska trial lawyer pals agree means nothing, really. These are not issues that have precedent yet in Alaska courts because we've never had a governor who has pushed the ethical envelope the way that Palin has. It will be interesting to see which way the pendulum swings.

hrh April 22, 2009 9:22 PM  

Oh please, just to name two, Knowles and Murkowski. They were pure as the driven snow, were they?

Both had thousands of dollars more personal expenses than Palin.

Both were out of Juneau many, many days more than Palin.

There's more to be said but it's late here and I'm tired of this frankly ...

Toki April 22, 2009 9:30 PM  
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Dave C April 22, 2009 9:31 PM  

Cameron Maynhein herself is commenting.

Toki April 22, 2009 9:33 PM  

I was hoping people would be willing to tell me how they arrived at their point of view.If you insist.

I began my journey for knowledge several years ago in the Himalayan mountains. One day, while I was in deep meditation, a mystical dragon appeared before me. Encircled in a heavenly aura the great beast of legend bestowed upon me the gift of eternal enlightenment. It is with this gift that I am able to conclude that Sarah Palin is totally awesome whereas Ms. Tompkins is a bitter tart.

Is this the wrong place for that?If you act in a manner befitting a hygiene bag nozzle, than yes, this is the wrong place for that.

Does it bother you?Yes, it makes me clutch my snuggie in fear.


Sorry to say, but it appears that you're just a silly little moppet, GangstaChill.

-HumbleToki

upinak April 22, 2009 9:37 PM  

Chill, so let me get this straight. You think it is unethical that Sarah used the money (which was given in good faith by people whom would like to see her from all over the country) to speak at something many do not have a probelm with, yet you find it odd that she didn't take the Security that she is use to from Alaska with her? LOL... can we say double speaking isnt yur strong suite.

RIGHT April 22, 2009 9:40 PM  

Alaska Always my message to Celtic Diva is dedicated to you.

You both prove how omnipotently POWERFUL Sarah Palin is... for you to come on here shows she controls your life. And that makes me HAPPY!

Your anger just proves she's in control of your life. Your venom just shows just how in control she is over you. While you burn in hatred... She's Living Happily Ever After with her awesome good looking supportive family.

I LOVE IT! I love the fact that you guys feel so much hatred. It backs up my assertion that Sarah Palin is POWERFUL without even trying. Major skills to make two people take time out of their days to come on conservatives4palin just to diss Palin. That's power!

And you both as well as like-minded posters are SO UNDENIABLY POWERLESS so that's why you feel you have to prove that you are powerful by coming on here and trying to convince us of your silly ammature grade schoolness. Thank you for making me MORE confident in Sarah Palin.

She CONTROLS YOU! I LOVE IT!

manajordan April 22, 2009 9:44 PM  

Toki,
I'm touched by your experience of enlightenment :) I love your sense of humor.

Lipstick April 22, 2009 9:48 PM  

Seems to me that someone is trying to take Sarah's pac out, is it just me.

My take is that the Dems who call the shots have a feeling that SarahPac is raking in the dough. They really can't stop that. So instead they are trying to make the fact that she even has a pac or actually uses the money in her pac for its intended purpose somehow unethical.

Every major politican has a pac, all I can say is :

Good Luck making this load of bull stick. we all know Sarah will have the money to hire legal council.

Toki April 22, 2009 9:54 PM  

Can you answer these questions for me, Ms. Linda?

- How many hours have you logged on Warcraft?

- How much money have you spent on Warcraft?

-Are you "for the horde!" or Alliance?

- Are you a night elf?

and if so

Is this-http://www.playfuls.com/images/news/night_elf_babe.jpg
how you envision yourself?

- Hawaiian punch or Kool-Aid?

- Doritos or Fritos?

- What drove you to the sad world of virtual reality?

sandra April 22, 2009 10:05 PM  

@Right:

You'll feel better in the morning. It's been a long day.

sarah palin rocks April 22, 2009 10:09 PM  

It looks like Celtic Diva and these other complainers are wrong. Any person or organization can form a PAC for any purpose at any time. Sarah can have a PAC whether she is Governor or not like Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney and other prominent politicians have done. She does not have to be running a campaign for election to an office to have a PAC.

People can form PACs to promote ideas or policies or to help out political candidates. There are tens of thousands of existing PACs. C4P could form its own PAC if it wanted as long as it complied with federal guidelines. :)

Sarah can travel anywhere in the world as an official representative of the State of Alaska as part of her duties as governor just like other governors. Members of state legislatures also travel outside of their states as representatives also. Sarah also has the right of free speech to speak about policy issues that affect her constituents such as pro-life policies. Pro-life policies cover a wide range of issues states, including Alaska, deal with like euthanasia, stem cell research, cloning and abortion laws.

That's just my 2 cents. Goodnight all.

narciso April 22, 2009 10:17 PM  

It's par for the course I guess, yet another SarahPac donation coming up. Who else has been so slandered, ridiculed, savaged, because of their beliefs, their character, their strength of will. She has more guts than a dozen other candidates put together. She, not the declared candidate took it upon herself to spell out the 'Messiah's' m.o., who presaged this brave new world, of a 'rough beast slouching toward Jerusalem," She committed further blasphemy, by pointing out the lunacy of Ayers and Wright, the walkingmalapropism that is Biden.Then she denounced the auto bailout after the election
(dodged that bullet didn't we)and the stimulus, that was the reason for the previous complaint, not the silly jacket, which I concurr with WAR, she did look good in. Now she defended human life as
'not a burden' but a gift to be embraced, prided her self for Alaska's role in missile defense, and claimed that Alaska was "God's country" blessed with a multitude of resources, natural anotherwise. We can't have that, Hope only comes through the stimulus and the One.

RIGHT April 22, 2009 10:20 PM  

@Sandra

I feel happy. Very happy in fact.

I take pleasaure in Palin-Haters negative emotions. I know it burns deep within them that it bothers them. I just love using it against them. Because they can't deny the passion that they feel. It's as much of a fact as the Earth rotates around the Sun.

They can't deny it. And I know it doesn't feel good for them... this hatred they feel. I don't want to change their minds. Because that can't be done.

But what I can do is exploit that unpleasurable feeling that the Palin Haters feel. And let them know that the reason they feel that way is because Sarah Palin is so much more powerful than they will ever be. And the root of their Hatred... Sarah Palin herself... is feeling WAY MUCH BETTER than they are.

These are facts. And I love presenting these facts to those who are against Sarah Palin. I figured... we're not going to change each others minds.

But what I can do is stuff their own hatred in their faces and remind them that their hatred doesn't affect Sarah Palin's happiness.

The Palin family is a STRONG, POWERFUL, SUPPORTIVE unit. Nothing they say will ever change that.

So I am happy. And the best thing you can do when confronting Hate filled people... is to be happy & remind them that those who they want to be un-happy... well are happy.

You see Trig makes all of the haters disappear. She said that in her speech. I'm just reminding those haters that they're powerless. And Sarah Palin has all the power in the world.

I'll keep exploiting these emotional facts. Emotions are something that statistics can't combat. Emotions and Passions hurt and scar far more than anything that could ever be said.

I love to remind Palin Haters of this. Because it's a fact they can't deny. And it's also a fact that Sarah Palin is happier, confident, and blissful than they will ever be.

So I do feel good and I do feel happy. And it makes me happy that those who hate Sarah Palin are so incredibly unhappy... burning in fact. Gosh I take delight in that. It makes me feel a degree of power that Sarah Palin has over them... feels good! :D I laugh at Palin Haters... it feels good. Oh did I mention I told you Haters how I really feel? lol :P Happiness is the best revenge against the powerless. :D

RIGHT April 22, 2009 10:26 PM  

Now I will enjoy Sarah Palin's RNC Convention speech happily and blissfully as the Palin Haters burn in their hatred... so much that they are unhappy and powerless.

I just donated $500 to SarahPAC... does that make you Palin haters happy? I thought so... burn baby burn you guys. It makes me feel better and happy. Because Sarah Palin is powerful and SarahPAC just got richer :P :D lol! I love it!

hrh April 22, 2009 10:43 PM  

Feel even happier by voting in Glenn Beck's poll about the direction of the GOP:

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/24376/?ck=1

Sarah is losing to Ron Paul.

Lakerfanalways April 22, 2009 10:44 PM  

RIGHT...WOW AWESOME..500 bucks..SUCK THAT HATERS!! I donated 50 bucks today..and I donated 25 bucks before yesterday. Boy did it feel good. I think the haters are so concerned about her PAC because they know it must have made over a million bucks. I wouldn't be surprised if it's made over 2 million by now. Oh boy are the haters gonna be pooping their pants once they hear the numbers.

DrChill April 22, 2009 11:01 PM  

wisetrog said...
Dr. Chill @ 8.21 Isn't it obvious!?
I think she has both a natural and a studied quality that people connect to, and she aspires to high office and rose to power as an ethical reformer amid ethical complaints. ## So, according to your ethical system, a corrupt or a dull person has no reason to fear scrutiny.
======
Huh ? I didn't say anything like that.
Corzine has not hit the national stage. He is not very interesting or attractive; rather run of the mill. So he has less scrutiny.

He also has not accumulated a dozen ethical complaints. So therefore less scrutiny.

Its an explanation, not a system.

latinchic April 22, 2009 11:20 PM  

I still don't know what to say to all of this, guys. I'm still bewildered at how some just HATE the Governor. For the life of me, I don't get it. I couldn't possibly ever hate President Obama, although our beliefs differ. I get upset at things he does, and things other liberals do...but hate? To hate so much to have the heart's desire to destroy someone without just cause? (Sorry naysayers, I have not found just cause.) Even if it's someone of integrity, who flees from even the very appearance of wrongdoing?

I just don't get it, and maybe I hope I never do. I pray for those people.

Anyway, for those that sincerely want to know if these ethics complaints are justified or not, and yes, even for those that are masquerading to be......I would like to suggest that perhaps we should dedicate a post outlining each and every ethics complaint and our case against why it is frivolous. It can be a one-stop shop to explain/prove how the Governor's enemies and/or critics purposely intend to destroy her through the legal medium, damage her credibility, and attack her integrity.

Maybe we can put in the list of notable blogs for easy access to all visitors.

peace out,
-lc

ugafish April 22, 2009 11:24 PM  

I posted the WAR interview with Eddie Burke today in the open thread. WAR talked about the confirmation hearings, Gov Palin, and the ethics complaints.

DrChill April 22, 2009 11:26 PM  

juju said...
Dr. Chill: Is there some law in AK that prohibits the Governor from leaving the State to give a speech??
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No.
The ethics law prohibits both payed and unpaid employment, gifts and the appearance of a conflict of interest.
It prohibits activities that conflict with the governor's duties.
It prohibits the governor from obtaining benefit for herself or family.

If being absent from the legislative session in its last week, detracted from the proper discharge of her duties, and if Sarah PAC paid her expenses to do something unrelated to her duties as Governor, then she violated the new ethics laws.

If I paid your expenses so you can go to Hawaii to give a talk, and you went there instead of going to your job, what would your boss say?
Think he'd like it?
In addition AK has strict ethics laws.

militantfeather April 22, 2009 11:28 PM  

I think these ethics complaints are GREAT. I hope they keep coming up week after week after week. Seriously.

They will all be dismissed, and it will backfire badly on the liberals, clearly revealed as petty, vindictive and fearful.

Its already seen like that. And
Palin will go into 2010 wearing a long list of frivolous ethics complaints as a Badge of Honour.

What really surprises me is that liberals can't see that effect, nor how ludicrous they look - perhaps in some ways PDS is a good thing for Palin after all.

DrChill April 22, 2009 11:36 PM  

latinchic said...
I still don't know what to say to all of this, guys. I'm still bewildered at how some just HATE the Governor
---
Me too.
And this bewilders me too:
#RIGHT said... @Sandra
#I take pleasaure in Palin-Haters #negative emotions.
Huh ?
I don't get it.

I mean I hate Lima beans, I mean I don't HATE Lima beans. And I wonder why people would care what I'm feeling.

latinchic April 22, 2009 11:58 PM  

DrChill: I noticed that too. And while I understand the frustration, I personally choose not to respond in this way. (I don't mean any disrespect.)

Still, in their defense, I'm willing to bet they are not filing frivolous ethics complaints against legislators or governors they disagree with.

I've defended the President when conservatives accused him of silly or petty things, because it's the right thing to do. It seems common sense to me that Governor Palin deserves no less.

JJT April 23, 2009 1:04 AM  

Wisetrog says:
So the European troll JJT has gone away before I came here. He doesn't approve that his country has sent a puny contingent of troops to Iraq and Afghanistan? What a surprise. i am sure the next time the Europeans erects a fascist state or al-qaeda blows their butts off or their European friends start another genocide, they wouldn't have a moment's compunction dragging America in. Europe is truly the Continent of Iago.

Anyway, his remarks are revealing. So he hates Bush and therefore hates Palin because Palin reminds him of Bush? Yeah, that makes sense. BDS was never about Bush alone. It only goes to show that liberals demonize conservative political figures and they have transferred their hate to Palin.

I hope that when your miserable tiny country gets islamicized and al-qaeda sets off WMDS in yours midst, I hope that President Palin will not lift a finger to save your sorry butts. But that won't happen. Sarah and America always give, unlike the miserly Europeans.

I say:

Cherry-picking parts of a discussion between two people, and not reading those parts thoroughly enough to understand what is being said does not add up to a worthy contribution to the discussion.

You can clearly see that in Wisetrog's post.

I do not hate SP, I did not say that. Please take some more time to read the posts.
Are you still defending Bush?
Bush got Obama in the Whitehouse, you know that don't you?
To me that is the only good thing he has done. But at what cost?

upinak April 23, 2009 1:10 AM  

JJT this isn't about Bush. This is about people going after a woman that has not done anything wrong.

upinak April 23, 2009 1:32 AM  

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE No. 09-95

Latest Ethics Complaint Deemed Outrageous April 22, 2009, Juneau, Alaska – The Office of the Governor today expressed outrage that yet another baseless ethics complaint has been filed as part of an alarming new development in Alaska politics.

“In the past several months, we have seen an orchestrated effort by the governor’s opponents to make differences of opinion and ideology almost criminal,” said Mike Nizich, the governor’s chief of staff. “Governor Palin has spent a considerable amount of time and money fighting ethics complaints – and no charge has been substantiated. I hope that the publicity-seekers will face a backlash from Alaskans who have a sense of fair play and proportion. I served six previous governors, and I’ve never seen anything like the attacks against Governor Palin.”

The latest ethics complaint against the governor alleges that she entered into a “contract” outside of her official duties in regard to a political action committee and that her recent trip to Indiana also conflicted with those duties.

“These allegations are categorically false and ridiculous, and are an abuse of the Executive Ethics Act,” Nizich said.

“We are blessed to live in a democracy in which everyone has the right to free speech, to petition their lawmakers, to vote, to run for office and, yes, to allege misconduct by public officials,” said Bill McAllister, the governor’s communications director. “But obviously the purpose of this complaint and the previous ones is to distract the administration and the public, and to paralyze the Department of Law and the executive branch.

“There’s a core hypocrisy in nearly all of the ethics complaints brought against the governor, including this one. The ethics act clearly states that complaints, when filed, are to be confidential. Ms. Tompkins publicized her filing on several blogs, breaking the letter and the spirit of the law. While there are no penalties in the statute for this illegal behavior, Alaskans of all political persuasions should be appalled that the people who are alleging unethical behavior by the governor are repeatedly doing so unethically.”

The relevant section of the ethics act follows:

“Sec. 39.52.340. Confidentiality. (a) Except as provided in AS 39.52.335, before the initiation of formal proceedings under AS 39.52.350, the complaint and all other documents and information regarding an investigation conducted under this chapter or obtained by the attorney general during the investigation are confidential and not subject to inspection by the public. In the case of a complaint concerning the governor, lieutenant governor, or attorney general, all meetings of the personnel board concerning the complaint and investigation before the determination of probable cause are closed to the public. … The attorney general and all persons contacted during the course of an investigation shall maintain confidentiality regarding the existence of the investigation.”

Under the Legislative Ethics Act, publicizing an ethics complaint against a lawmaker would result in the automatic dismissal of that complaint. The Executive Ethics Act does not contain that provision.

While the latest complaint concerns 36 hours that the governor spent out of state this month, her opponents have spent months filing ethics complaints and records requests in a volume that constitutes a pattern of harassment and that has negatively impacted the Department of Law, McAllister said.

He noted that the governor left Alaska only twice during the recently completed legislative session -- for a total of just four days, including travel time -- and that during both trips she conducted state government business.

“Governor Palin hasn’t done anything that any other governor in the nation hasn’t done,” McAllister said. “I hope Alaskans can see through this stunt.”

DrChill April 23, 2009 2:09 AM  

latinchic said...
DrChill:
I'm willing to bet they are not filing frivolous ethics complaints against legislators or governors they disagree with.

I've defended the President when conservatives accused him of silly or petty things, because it's the right thing to do.
April 22, 2009 11:58 PM

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The choice to file or not file depends on your understanding of the law, your sense of citizenship, and your tolerance of criticism.
What brought me here was not the 100% in favor of Palin slant, but the support of the 1st amendment- in particular Chan AKM was outed by Mike Doogan. If anyone here wanted to file a complaint for that I'd understand it. Although I never expect Mike or anyone else to say - "oh the complaint against me? its substantial, not frivolous at all!"
So once you hear the usual denial, you listen for a more substantial rebuttal.

DrChill April 23, 2009 2:18 AM  

Wisetrog -
When I read Dr Chill's admission that they are going after Sarah because she is an honest, attractive person who has made a career out of fighting corruption and bringing ethics to a corrupt process-- stuff the progressives keep talking about, I knew that Rand's formulation describes him and his ilk best.

Hatred of the good for being the good.===

Woh! re-read what I wrote.
I didn't say why people were 'going after her' I was making a specific comparison between Corzine and Palin and the scruitny they recieve.
First palin got a lot of attention for her looks her pizaz and her her from nowhere rize to the national scene.
None of these things apply to him.
Add to that the ethics reformer banner she carries, followed by a dozen ethics complaints, and that adds up to "additional scruitny"
Not "going after her."

upinak April 23, 2009 2:19 AM  

Chill, but you don't think it odd that AKM was ousted by a fellow liberal? Interesting isn't it.

Doogan isn't a republican.

upinak April 23, 2009 2:22 AM  

Chill, do you know why the Ethics Boards were put in place and the regulations changed as soon as Palin came into office?

katiejane April 23, 2009 9:30 AM  

Dr Chill - if your issues are the outing of a blogger & 1st Amendment rights, why didn't you find a blog that was oriented to those?

RAM - I know this is your site and you establish the rules but it seems like one should be able to expect that members here are indeed Conservatives4Palin. There are enough general political sites that allow/encourage nitpicking of Gov Palin. Why should Palin supporters have to justify their support of her to other members?

Lipstick April 23, 2009 10:36 AM  

Katiejane:

THANK YOU for your last comment.

It bugs me people come here looking for a fight.

It is like going to a high school football game and sitting in the visitors stands.

HELLO! Everyone around you is for the other team.

I like to debate what Palin should or should not do, but I am a Palin supporter. I am not looking for information to see who I support. I am a self decribed Ultra Right Wing CONSERVATIVE who is a big Palin supporter. That is why I frequently visit Conservatives 4 Palin.

latinchic April 23, 2009 10:50 AM  

"The choice to file or not file depends on your understanding of the law, your sense of citizenship, and your tolerance of criticism."

DrChill: I'm sure that if any of us wanted to destroy the political career of someone we disagreed with passionately, that we could find dirt on that person if we tried. We don't. It's very clear that there is a clear plan to destroy Governor Palin- it is plain as day, and you know it. Those people need to, you know, "chill". :)

sandra April 23, 2009 11:53 AM  

There are mixed messages coming from posters. It this site really an exclusive one? Is the purpose to cheer on the team or to find the truth or even to develop discussion points? I won't even suggest the aspect of loving to feed hate.

If you really want this to be closed, why not make it like the Team Sarah site and require membership?

I hope the moderator(s) will step in at some point and clarify.

Thank you.

katiejane April 23, 2009 11:59 AM  
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katiejane April 23, 2009 12:01 PM  

Whether the site is closed or not - what is unclear about the orientation of a site with the title like this one's?

Even if the moderator confirms that "all are welcome", that doesn't mean the posters have to feel that way or that they can't dismiss the trolls as trolls.

sandra April 23, 2009 12:21 PM  

Maybe we should attach "troll" to our titles. Then it would be easy to skip over the troll comments.

militantfeather April 23, 2009 11:07 PM  

Troll posts should just be deleted, whether they present their arguments civilly or not.

This is a Sarah support site. We discuss the good and bad as friends, and learn a lot from one another. Its why I come here.

I go elsewhere to defend her against all the standard crap. And all the trolls here are just putting up the same ole same ole stuff i see at site after site. As always, the liberals just argue from talikng points.

We all know that - whats the point of reading the same stuff here? They are a distraction to our own awareness and understanding about Sarah.

Perhaps we should have a thread on whether to allow trolls here at all.

Concerned Moderate April 24, 2009 2:01 PM  

Dear TommyReport, I am sorry to have disappointed you. I didn't realize your post was "witty." Guess I just missed that. I had to run to do family stuff, not running away. And then I haven't been able to get on the site so haven't been able to respond. (just one last try to see if I really am blocked)

If I understand your post (re: Moore's comments) there is an assumption (and I really like what upinak said about those) that a "right-wing zealot" has to be a "fiscal conservative." Like it is genetic, or something. Response: George W. Bush. (I could go on with a list of conservative GOP Congresspeople, but that is too obvious).

Sorry I couldn't be witty. Guess we are even.

And, please, stop with the "King" and "Messiah" thing. No one else but you all think that. I have never seen an indication of Obama worship that comes anything close to the comments and blogs on this site and TeamSarah. If anything, the progressive blogs are starting to post more stories critical of Obama than supportive. That's healthy! Look inward-- the Goddess worship is right on these pages.

I do really appreciate DB for a respectful response to my question about Palin's earmarks record. DB, could you please point me in the direction of some links (but not blogs) for further reading.

Lots of talk about trolls and I want to say categorically-- I AM NOT A TROLL. I am not a small, mythical creature who lives underground, nor am I associated with any blog in the world. I tend not to associate too closely with anything overly-ideological, it narrows the vision and diminishes the intellect. (thus the quote I posted earlier).

I wish no one ill, and accept that I will probably not learn much about Sarah Palin on this website. I apologize if I have offended anyone, and admit that I felt offended and a little bit defensive when called an idiot, given a veiled threat, and read all the other trash talk. Kind of took me back to junior high play ground. That's ok, and I can imagine with all the problems that Palin is facing many of you must feel defensive and even confused. That is human.

Just one last thing, and probably you know it, but I found it really uncomfortable when I first googled C4P (which is how I read it in another blog) and got the OTHER C4P site that comes up first on Google. Not for family viewing! Maybe a warning somewhere would help?
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