Saturday, April 4, 2009

Response to PoliGazette



Michael van der Galien has penned a post on PoliGazette titled "Cons4Palin Don't Like Me." Michael states that he is not a "Palin trasher," and I do not believe he is. He makes his argument as to why Palin may not be ready for a Presidential run, and states that as of right now, Mitt Romney is his choice.

In the spirit of debate, I have responded to his argument point by point below:

Conservatives4Palin, a reasonably big website by and for conservatives who support Governor Sarah Palin (for president in 2012), doesn’t like me very much. They took my post of yesterday a bit too serious, thinking I had joined their side. As it is, however, that’s certainly not the case. I’m not a Palin “trasher,” but I’m also not overwhelmed by her performance last year. She has talent, sure, but she displayed a serious lack of knowledge, especially about foreign affairs.

Team McCain mishandled Palin. That’s clear. If she would’ve been allowed to be herself, and to determine the steps she’s take, she would’ve impressed me more, of that I’m sure. But this isn’t a politician with only strengths. She has weaknesses, and they are rather obvious.

I would like to point out that Conservatives4Palin has never officially stated that we are pushing for a Palin run for the presidency in 2012 or any other year. Constant debate occurs in the comment sections of our posts on whether or not Palin should run for President in 2012, 2016 or even 2020. We also debate how she should approach other future options, such as running for re-election as governor or taking a shot at the U.S. Senate. The focus of this website is to support Governor Palin and fight the smears that have been thrown against her. I have been a Palin supporter since February of 2008, when I stumbled across Adam Brickley's "Draft Palin for Vice President" blog. The goal of this site is not only to defend Palin against unfair attacks and smears but to research her record in Alaska and keep people up to date on what she is doing in the Far North. The McCain campaign did little to flaunt Palin's impressive record, which means that the voters have a lot more to learn about Governor Palin, and that is the chief mission of this site. If Governor Palin decides to run for President in 2012, she will have our full support. But I will make this clear: Conservatives4Palin is not a "draft Palin" website, and we do not intend to pressure Governor Palin into running for the highest office in the land.

First and foremost: Palin has been successfully portrayed as a religious fanatic. Whether this is a correct image (it’s not) or not is irrelevant. What matters is what voters think. Her approval ratings were less than stellar last year, except for with the conservative base, who loved her. Having the support of this base is a necessity for a Republican candidate for president, but it’s also vital to have broader appeal. As of yet, Palin doesn’t have that.

I will agree with Michael on this. Palin is no religious fanatic. I will disagree that she is only supported by the "base" of the Republican party. Not only is Palin gaining with independents and even some Democrats (some of our most loyal readers have labeled themselves, "Palin Democrats"), she is also constantly ranked near the top of Republican contenders for 2012. The Republicans who respond these polls are not just conservatives but simply Republicans. The portrayal of Palin as right-wing religious whacko may be the biggest lie thrown at her. Palin can be described as a religious person, but she has never governed by her religious beliefs. Governor Palin's other bible is the Constitution of the State of Alaska, which guides her decisions more than her religious beliefs. When it comes to religion, Governor Palin keeps her views to herself. Governor Palin once vetoed a bill that would have denied homosexual couples the same benefits received by others because she deemed it unconstitutional. Would Mike Huckabee have taken this action? Probably not.

Second, Palin may be a good governor, but she has no business experience. I’m one of those who believe that America’s president should have at least some experience in this field, especially considering the times - massive budget deficits and debts will be a drain on the American economy for years even decades to come. Mitt Romney, yes his name pops up again, is one of the most successful entrepreneurs in America today. Palin’s not.

For one to claim that Governor Palin has no "business experience," shows little research has been done into her career. Aside from her private experience in commercial fishing, her job as governor also qualifies as "business experience." Governor Palin's "business experience" comes with the negotiations and dealings she has had with one of the most powerful industries in the world: the energy industry. This includes the negotiations on what will be the largest private infrastructure project in North American history. Governor Palin has successfully negotiated new tax structures, lease deals and other issues that arise in the Alaska energy industry. It is also important to remember that the Alaska oil industry is the dominant force in the Alaskan economy. The Alaska constitution, for all necessary purposes, declares the governor of Alaska as the Chief Executive Officer of the state. When she enters into meetings with the oil industry, she is representing the citizens of Alaska, who are commonly referred to as Alaska's shareholders. At the end of the day, Governor Palin negotiates billion dollar deals with one of the toughest industries in the world. At the end of the day, the livelihood of the citizens of Alaska depends on her actions. If this can not be considered "business experience," I don't know what is.

Now on to Mitt Romney, who as of right now is Michael's favorite Republican. Romney has "business experience" from his time at Bain Capital. However, "business experience" rarely translates into governmental success. Romney's greatest "accomplishment" from his time as the Governor of Massachusetts is RomneyCare. RomneyCare is effectively government mandated health care, which the Wall Street Journal has claimed has caused a crisis in the Bay State. The Journal also portrays RomneyCare as a warning against nationalized health care. Being a Wall Street powerhouse and running a venture capital business is not the same as running a government. Romney often claims that the state legislature twisted his original health-care proposal and that this has led to the problems facing Massachusetts. It seems that Romney's experience in dealing with a board of directors and shareholders at Bain Capital were little help to him in dealing with the group of politicians known as the Massachusetts legislature.

If the American people truly valued "business experience" in the way Michael contends that they do, Steve Forbes would have been elected President in 1996 or 2000. I am sure that Michael would support somebody like Steve Forbes because Forbes is experienced in the business world. Therefore, somebody who supports Forbes would have an interest in business experience. Governor Palin was a supporter of Steve Forbes during the 2000 GOP primaries, so using Michael's standards, it is safe to say that Governor Palin knows a thing or two about business. The point remains that the American people do not specifically value "business experience" as a necessity for being President. Michael writes that Romney's experience will help combat the economic climate facing the United States today and in the future. I think the point should be made that Ronald Reagan led the greatest peacetime expansion of the economy in the history of the United States, and he was no Wall Street titan. The handling of deficits, GDP, tax policy, tariffs, inflation/deflation and special interests have little to do with boardroom meetings at Bain Capital or Goldman Sachs. If governmental success rested on "business experience," New Jersey would have a great governor. After all, Jon Corzine is the former CEO of Goldman Sachs.

Third, and this is of major concern to me, it struck me last year that Palin didn’t have a lot of original thoughts on foreign policy. Now, a president doesn’t have to be a grand intellectual, foreign policy experts (he or she has advisers for that). But (s)he must have thought about this subject for longer than a few hours, and have developed a personal, realist view. Advisers are important, but a president has to have his / her own general take on complex issues.

Funny, I didn't get that impression, nor was I "struck" by Palin's "lack of foreign policy experience." Hopefully Michael will respond to this post by citing the foreign policy experience of governors who have run for an office in the nation's executive branch. First of all, governors rarely have "foreign policy experience." How much experience in this realm did George W. Bush have? Bill Clinton? Ronald Reagan? Jimmy Carter? The answer is none because they are governors. It is also important to remember that these men all ran for president and not the second ranking job known as vice president. The last vice presidential nominee that met the requirements of "foreign policy experience" as defined by beltway think tanks and the media was Dick Cheney. John Edwards? Jack Kemp? Al Gore? Dan Quayle? Spiro Agnew? Richard Nixon? and so on and so on. The facts of this past election remain clear: Governor Palin was held to different standards than most, if not all, previous VP contenders.

And what is "foreign policy experience"? The media and the beltway tell you that Joe Biden is a "foreign policy expert." Why is this the case? Well, he has sat on some Senate committee for the last 35 years, so this make him an expert. Here is some of the expertise of Joe Biden:

-Opposed President Reagan's plan to fund and aid anti-Communists in Central America
-Opposed President Reagan's overall strategy in dealing the Soviet Union
(Now remember, according to this Michael's standards, Reagan is the one without the "foreign policy experience.")
-Voted against the first Gulf War
-Voted for the Iraq War in 2003, and then became one of the biggest critics against the war in Congress. If Biden had known the war would be such a mistake, why did he vote for it? Where was his "foreign policy expertise" at the moment of the initial vote?
-Biden's plan for Iraq: Divide Iraq into three districts based on ethnic lines. This idea is so ridiculous that I am not even going to discuss it.

I also think that it is safe to say that Governor Palin more than held her own against Joe Biden in the vice presidential debate. The so-called foreign policy expert was making up stories about a French-U.S. alliance that had driven Hezbollah out of Lebanon. Biden is also called a "law expert," yet he did not know which article of the U.S. Constitution established the executive branch. Not only did Governor Palin keep up with Biden, she wiped the floor with his hair plugs. For every "gaffe" made by Palin on the campaign trail, Biden made about five. Biden was unaware that television did not exist in 1929, and he did not know who the President of the United States was at that time. Biden told stores about visiting a restaurant that had been closed for nearly 20 years. On his first day on the campaign trail with Barack Obama, he referred to his running-mate as "Barack America." Biden then went on to ask a man in a wheelchair to "stand up."

Biden is definitely an expert in something all right, maybe plagiarism or lying about his college grades. Energy is a matter of foreign policy. Governor Palin is an expert on energy issues. She sees energy independence in the same light as Ronald Reagan viewed the Cold War. Reagan wondered why the West attempted to defeat the Soviets in public, but too often indirectly propped them up in private. Reagan knew that the Soviet Union had to be destroyed outright, and he was committed to using all means available to do it. Governor Palin also wonders why we are indirectly propping up hostile regimes and terrorist organizations by our continued dependence on foreign sources of energy. In Palin's eyes the United States will be a much more secure nation if we develop our own sources of energy. Governor Palin also recognizes the economic impact of sending hundreds of billions of dollars out of the United States every year. Reagan's efforts to defeat the Soviets has now been called "Reagan's War." Perhaps someday we will refer to Palin's quest for energy independence as "Palin's War."

Michael states that "foreign policy experience" is important to him, and yet he is a Romney supporter. Hopefully, one day, he can explain Romney's "foreign policy experience." I just can't see where Romney is more qualified than Palin in that realm. The argument can actually be made that Palin is more qualified than Romney in this regard. Palin's state is critical to the energy security of the United States and the world. She is the commander of the Alaska National Guard, which contains a unit devoted to protecting the United States from ballistic missile attacks. Her state's natural resources are a huge target for potential terrorist attacks. Governor Palin has some of the highest national security clearance privileges in the nation. As with "business experience," the idea that "foreign policy" is critical to the voters is also a misnomer. We have elected plenty of presidents who have "little foreign policy" experience. Barack Obama is the most inexperienced president in this history of the nation. During the Russia-Georgia conflict, he released a statement calling for "both sides to end their aggression."

Governor Palin also has one thing Romney does not, a devotion to conservative values that does not change with the political winds. Romney has constantly changed his positions depending on when he is running for office. In 1994, Romney was running to the left of Ted Kennedy in his U.S. Senate bid. He declared that he did not "want to go back to Reagan-Bush." Romney was also pro-choice at this time, but must have had a "road to Damascus" moment when establishing his run for the Republican nomination in 2007-2008. Around the time that Romney was trashing Ronald Reagan's presidency, Governor Palin was writing letters to the Anchorage Daily News calling them a "liberal rag":

"How can you justify your restraint in slamming the Clintons, Kennedys, Marion Barrys and other philandering, chauvinistic left-wingers of the world?" Palin wrote at the time. "Your yellow, liberal rag is so obvious. I pray we will someday have a choice in newspapers again."

So Palin is calling the Kennedys "left-wingers," while Romney is running to the left of them to become a U.S. Senator. Palin's views have not changed. She is a rock. Romney is dust drifting with the political winds. Many former Romney supports from the primary season are now Palin supporters. I firmly believe that Romney's support is overstated. I am a former Romney supporter. I donated some of the little money I have to his campaign, put out a lawn sign and voted for him on Super Tuesday. I was a Romney supporter because he was the only viable option left for me during the Republican primaries. Romney was the closest person on the stage who reflected my beliefs, even if he suddenly adopted them to run for the nomination. You may even say that Romney supporters were just desperate for somebody. I know I was.

I have noticed, however, that Romney appears to be the candidate of choice among the establishment wing of the GOP, in much the same way that George H. W. Bush was their candidate in 1980. Ronald Reagan was the candidate of the grassroots, and he made an excellent gesture to unify the party in 1980 by choosing George H. W. Bush as his running mate. History could very well repeat itself with Palin and Romney. We shall see.

68 comments:

techno April 4, 2009 2:33 PM  

Which columnist, pundit or blogger has written the most ridiculous articles about Sarah?

1)Michael van der Galien

2)David Frum

3)Kathleen Parker

4)Peggy Noonan

5)David Brooks

AKReport April 4, 2009 2:35 PM  
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AKReport April 4, 2009 2:36 PM  

Like I always say. when oil hits
$100+ again expect Sarah's lower 48 stock to rise big time, and expect mit romney's stock to fall like a rock when the focus is not on economic woes, but on quirky things like his faith (etc)

right now Romney has the upper hand on sarah, because sarah's major issue ( energy ) is not a major issue right now.

you watch, when gas goes back up to 5$ a gal sarah's numbers will skyrocket in the lower 48.

when oil goes back up sarah wins big time.

when oil goes down sarah still has her huge charisma and other talants, but she is only half the canidate she can be, and that is why other Gop canidates are making some moves right now.

Michael van der GaliĆ«n April 4, 2009 2:45 PM  

Joseph: thanks for the response. I'll respond to your post later this weekend (tomorrow). A few points of criticism already:
1. It's foreign policy thinking, not (just) experience.
2. No, being Governor doesn't count as business experience. It counts as political, governing experience, yes, not business.
3. I wrote that I care about business experience and success, not that the American people care so much about it.

@Techno: yeah, you're great at making friends and civilized debate, aren't you?

ZH April 4, 2009 2:46 PM  

I would trust Governor Palin more on economics than Romney.
She has experience and much common sense.

Governor Palin's approach is very practical; I like that.

Michael van der GaliĆ«n April 4, 2009 2:50 PM  

Oh, and if you ever want to write a post for my site, explaining your take on Palin - what her strengths are, what she did and didn't do, why the media were so wrong about her (I think they were to a significant degree by the way) - let me know. I'd be happy to run it. As could be proved by Joshua's post: i'm not a dictator - welcome dissent and civilized debate.

Again @techno: just thinking - what if I and other bloggers at PG criticized some of the people you mention for the way they spoke about Palin, divided the party, etc.? Right.

wisetrog April 4, 2009 2:51 PM  

Big site, huh? C4P has arrived.

wisetrog April 4, 2009 2:52 PM  

Michael, techno didn't say anything. He's just provided options to choose from. It's up to you to decide if you're really worse than Parker and Frum.

howIroll April 4, 2009 2:53 PM  

George W. Bush, in addition to his Harvard MBA, had a great deal of business experience. 'Nuff said.

Mel April 4, 2009 2:57 PM  

Techno,
I'm going to have to go with Kathleen Parker on that. No contest.

DB April 4, 2009 2:58 PM  
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DB April 4, 2009 3:00 PM  

Techno, I agree with Mel...Kathleen Parker hands down.

DB April 4, 2009 3:06 PM  

correcting spelling errors in above post....



Great post JR. C4P is the best Palin website out there. Do you guys ever sleep? I supported Romney in the primaries for the exact same reason you did...there was nobody else. If there had been anyone remotely as appealing as Governor Palin in 2008, Romney, Huckabee, and McCain would all have been gone in early February. Again, the slate of GOP candidates was the weakest ever....and still Romney couldn't prevail. He never will. He simply is uninspiring. Also, R.A. said a while back that Romney is the GOP version of John Kerry. I totally agree with that. He is not genuine and conservatives (as well as everyone else) see this clearly even if the diminishing number of "Moderates4Mitt" don't as of yet. They will eventually. Much has been written here about Romney as Governor Palin's Secretary of the Treasury.. I'd be OK with that but Steve Forbes would be a better choice.

Lipstick April 4, 2009 3:20 PM  

Very good post.

I like civilized debate where people do not call names but list facts.

I, too, was a Romeny supporter. Then, after reading more about his record I saw him as a flip flopper and a politician. The usual game that is played to be elected.

There was really no one else running for the nomination so
I stuck with Romney.

I have no problem with his faith and see him as very smart and capable.

I had never heard of Sarah Palin. The Maverick helped me by introducing me to Sarah.

I have read tons on Palin. More than I have on any politican. As stated "She is a rock." She has stuck with what she believes. She has compromised when she had to in order to govern her state. But she has never compromised her beliefs. She has never switched her stance to gain votes to be elected or to gain popularity with the media or even her own party higher ups.

I can not see Romney risking his career taking on the big GOP fish in his state.

I believe that Sarah's only true hindering inexperience she had in 2008 was the inexperience of the brutalness of national politics and the sleaziness of the MSM.

Now she does not even have that weakness.

I am with Sarah all the way.

wisetrog April 4, 2009 3:27 PM  

http://www.redstate.com/josh_painter/2009/04/04/iowa-court-decision-may-affect-2012-gop-primary/

techno April 4, 2009 3:28 PM  

Michael van der Galien:

You should be happy that I placed you in such esteemed company.

What started off as a joke now has placed you in the pantheon of Republicans or conservatives who will be called upon from time to time by cable networks to criticize or ridicule Sarah Palin.

Once the MSM uses up and spits out Meghan McCain, your turn will be next.

R.Hughes April 4, 2009 3:31 PM  

JR,

Great point on the former Romney supporters! I am one, as well. I even voted for Romney after he withdrew because I couldn't bring myself to vote for McCain or Huckabee.

It was about then that I found Adam Brickley's "Draft Palin for Vice President" site as well. I was certainly hoping McCain would select Gov. Palin, but I didn't have much hope. When he surprised me I finally had someone to vote for even though McCain was on the ticket.

I know several folks like us who would never support Romney again if Gov. Palin were running. I suspect there are millions more.

MWN April 4, 2009 3:32 PM  

"Her approval ratings were less than stellar last year, except for with the conservative base, who loved her. Having the support of this base is a necessity for a Republican candidate for president, but it’s also vital to have broader appeal."



Mitt Romney has neither, so he's out. Glad we got that cleared up.

Palin 2012

anne s April 4, 2009 3:39 PM  

Hello there
As I am new to the political arena (only a peaked interest early Sept '08) I follow a whole slew of online, politically slanted blogs.

To get "all" views.. as I think bloggers and those that comment (mainly the commenter's) as the best source for interpreting the goings on (as they are the common man/err woman and are the "voters".. things directly affect "us little guys") I read everything.. from far liberal to far conservative. I can't take, what seems to be as limited as type on a page can seem, yelling rants. Therefore, Rush Limbaugh and a few other sites just are a big turn off.

So! Being neither not Palin supporter nor a Palin "basher", I wanted to let you know I visit your website frequently. This site seems to have up to the minute type articles laid out in a very appealing way. I also find the views and opinions expressed fairly down to earth and well thought out.

It doesn't matter to me which way one's thought process leans.. we live in a big world with many different backgrounds. Different views, to me, are refreshing. As long as.. my opinion, they aren't slobbered with a lot of closed minded hating everyone with a different view .. or trying to sway people to think like you do ... blogs.

Just wanted to tip my little hat to you :) Keep things clean, real, and to the point (with whatever slant you prefer to take as that is what makes things interesting) and you will have a little blogger reader (me) :)

juju April 4, 2009 4:03 PM  

Great article today...Kudos...very well written and contained so much information in one location at one time.

john April 4, 2009 4:08 PM  

Former Governor, Mitt Romney, is positioning himself as the alternative to Sarah Palin. News outlets have given undeserved credit to Mr. Romney. Let us not overlook the facts.

1. Mitt Romney is a two-faced politician.

Just go to the video tape. Romney on the sanctity of human life:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFMdK0TWtks

Please compare Mitt with a real leader who speaks from the heart.

http://americaneedssarahpalin.blogspot.com/2008/10

With the Iowa Supreme Court's recent ruling, the issue of same sex marriages will mean something to caucus goers in 2012. Romney:

"Bay Windows, the Boston-based gay and lesbian newspaper, republished excerpts from an August 1994 interview the paper did with Romney during his campaign against Senator Edward M. Kennedy. In the interview, Romney said it should be up to states to decide whether to allow same-sex marriage and he criticized Republican 'extremists' who imposed their positions on the party."
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2006/12/08/romneys_94_rem...

Again, a real leader:

"In an interview with CBN’s David Brody, Sarah Palin signaled her support for a constitutional ban on gay marriage, a position that John McCain once described as 'antithetical in every way to the core philosophy of Republicans.'I am, in my own, state, I have voted along with the vast majority of Alaskans who had the opportunity to vote to amend our Constitution defining marriage as between one man and one woman. I wish on a federal level that that's where we would go because I don't support gay marriage,' Palin said."
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/20/politics/fromtheroad/entry4...

2. Contrary to the polished telegenic image, the real Mitt is also a mediocre plastic man:

In 1994 a very vulnerable Ted Kennedy crushed Mitt Romney 58% to 41%. Hardly any other Republican lost that year.

Six years later, Romney managed his way into the Governor's mansion spending $6.3 million of his own money to garner a respectable 5% victory. (In 2006, Palin came to high office by beating the incumbent of her own party by 31% and the runner up by 21%. In the general election, she beat a former governor by 7.36% of the vote. In 2006, Sarah Palin, swimming against the strong democratic tide, was one of the only bright spots for the GOP.)

Romney claims to be a true fiscal conservative. Nevertheless, his governance was a mixed bag that included hidden tax hikes. His signature accomplishment was socialized medicine. Some day some brave national leader will come forth and talk about the elephant in the room. America's health care has three easily solved problems. Too much government money, an artificially reduced supply, and chronic life style caused illnesses have exploded demand and increased costs. Oh wait a minute. Someone has already started the dialogue. Governor Palin:

"I look forward to working with affected parties to find the necessary solutions that will lead to more affordable health care for Alaskans. I support flexibility in government regulations that allow competition in health care that is needed, and is proven to be good for the consumer, which will drive down health care costs and reduce the need for government subsidies.
* * *
Our choices often lead to heart disease, diabetes, underage drinking, drugs, violence, and abuse. Soaring health and public safety costs are sometimes unfairly passed on to others. But more importantly, by ignoring or accepting selfish choices that cause the abuse, children, families and entire communities are destroyed. Government cannot cure all ills. And don’t assume more laws foisted on Alaskans are the only answer--most “bad activity” is already illegal. We have got to make wise, healthy personal choices, including choosing not to ignore child abuse. I’m counting on families, communities and faith-based groups to step up, together, to help passionately here, too."
http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Sarah_Palin_Health_Care.htm

Mitt's penchant for pandering to the left also made some news while Governor. In 2003, he refused to endorse the Bush tax cuts.
http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2007/08/mitt_romneys_record_on_economi.php#14

He eventually earned low approval ratings and, by 2005, Democrats who wanted his job were beating him in the polls. Voters had enough of Mitt.
http://www.capecodtoday.com/news95.htm

Of course, a thoughtful analysis would note that Mitt was Governor of a blue state. However, no one can overlook the fact that Mitt did not become the conservative he says he is today until his fate of being thrown out of office was obvious.
http://www.eyeon08.com/2006/12/19/romney-attacked-as-a-flip-flop-flip-flop-flipper-on-abortion/

In contrast, Governor Palin, even after taking all the arrows for being the GOP pit bull last fall, enjoys a very high approval rate in a state where 60% of the voters are registered independent and the state Senate is controlled by the Democrats.

After getting the message that his career as the chief executive of Massachusetts wasn't going to last long, Romney foisted himself onto the national stage.

His 2008 presidential effort failed because he's just not that good. Fundamental policy flip flops teamed up with a wooden style is a recipe for defeat and voters caught on real fast. A great example of rigid Mitt trying to be a man of the people.

Mitt - (Warning: the following videos contain real life events that may make some viewers uncomfortable.):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY6UTnS6Z-A

At times, you'd think that Mitt was campaigning in foreign country. Here's my favorite:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJWSIqv8NOc&feature=PlayList&p=655F5B85891017F8&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=2

Another comparison. Sarah Palin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-AES-LZeT0

A final piece of Mitt spin, i.e., he's a money wizard.

In practically every state, Romney out spent the field. According to the Federal Election Commission, Romney, through June 30, 2008, spent $106,463,581. That translates to $26 per vote and $391,410 for each of the 272 delegates he won. Quite an expensive ego trip.

This impotence continues up to this day. For the passed several months, Mitt heavily advertised his pac, Free and Strong America. (I'll bet that he had to hire a team of public relations geniuses to come up with the idea that a free and strong America is a good thing.) If you get your news from reliable right leaning web sites, you see Mitt's face frozen in a noble patriotic pose in many pop up ads for his pac. Nevertheless, his last reported efforts garnered only 122 donors, many of whom have already maxed out.
http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/dcdev/forms/C00449280/407663/sa/11AI

Incidently, like Mitt himself, his grubby pac took AIG money.
http://images.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?28992096504


3. The Mitt v. Sarah match up will be no contest.

Say what you want about modern polling but crowd size is still a good measure of a politician's popularity. Truman was written off by the pollsters in 1948 but he was attracting large crowds. Obama's crowds spelled trouble for Hillary Clinton and John McCann. In this regard, what is left of Mitt's star gets sucked into a black hole.

Iowa will have the first caucus in 2012.

In Denison, Iowa in 2008 Romney got a crowd of 75 people who ate Mitt’s sweet rolls and sipped his coffee. 75 people seemed to be Romney's peek in Iowa.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/...
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2007/12/29/polit...

Again by contrast, Sarah Palin:

Palin, 10/25/08 Des Moines — Hy-Vee Hall - capacity crowd of 10,000 (Obama needed Oprah's help to fill this venue.); Palin in Sioux City 10/25/08 - 5000; Plain in Dubuque 10/30/08 - 5000. These are not densely populated areas.
http://iowaindependent.com/7536/more-than-10000-greet-palin -in-des-moines
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http://iowaindependent.com/8046/palin-draws-tri-state-audie nce-in-dubuque
http://iowaindependent.com/7518/palin-in-obama-america-peop le-are-not-free"
target="_blank">http://iowaindependent.com/7518/palin-in-obama-america-peop le-are-not-free
http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/33605364.html

Evidence of Mitt's impotence continues to the most recent campaigning of national interest. In the Georgia senate run off, he went to Savannah on a Friday to campaign for Senator Chambliss and attracted 100 people. His Atlanta crowd was a little bigger, about 300. Five million people live in the Metro Atlanta area.
http://www.ajc.com/henry/content/metro/storie... ...
http://www.news4jax.com/news4georgia/18178922...

Governor Huckabee, managed a crowd of about 2,000 (on a Sunday) campaigning for Chambliss at the Gwinnett Civic Center in Duluth, GA.
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/storie... ...

Sarah Palin, on a Monday, December 1, 2008, drew 6,000 at the same Gwinnett Civic Center in Duluth
She also drew:
2,000 in Savannah.
4,000 in Augusta
2,500 in Perry. Only 10,000 people live in Perry, GA.
http://www.georgiawomenformccain.org/Palin_Gw...
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/storie...

It can only get worse for Mitt. In 2012, he may very well have more establishment backing than Palin but people should be fed up with the establishment by then. Plus the "Hey. Look at me. I have the most experience with economics." shtick will not make much sense to 2012 voters because Romney never held office during a deep recession or a depression.

Governor Sarah Palin, over the past two years has put state money in the bank. By 2012, AK may be the only government entity left on earth in the black. Palin will be able to run on a solid record of success in governing during horrible financial times. By 2012, Romney's record will only be one of preening and acting like the presidency has been his birth right for the last six years. In addition, he isn't even doing that correctly. Recently, he endorsed President Obama's GM bailout plan and told us not to be overly critical of Obama's march toward socialism. He is tacking to the left again.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/04/02/romney-we-must-acknowledge-when-obama-is-right/

Now, try to visualize the GOP nomination race. It will be Mitt and 4-6 more bland country club guys v. Sarah Palin. A charismatic populist with success in governing during an economic crisis should be best poised to win the Republican nomination.

JohnfromPhilly

Greg April 4, 2009 4:32 PM  

JohnfromPhilly,

It should be pointed out that Huckabee's rally in Georgia was acutally just to piggyback on a Fair Tax rally that had already been scheduled for quite some time before Huck decided that is where he would go. How many of those 2,000 were attracted there by Huckabee is unknown, but Fair Tax rallies in Georgia are well attended from what I've been told.

Just from the estimates given by local sources of rally attendance during the presidential campaign, I figure that between 700,000 and 800,000 people attended Gov. Palin's rallies all total. That's in addition to the 74 million who tuned into the Palin-Biden debate and 35 million who watched her acceptance speech at the convention. There was also estimates of up to 60,000 who attended her rally at The Villages in Florida. In Jeffersonville IN Palin drew close to 20,000, where the week before Biden drew 2,000. In Williamsport PA both Biden and Palin had rallies on the same day. Biden drew 500 at a heated gymnasium, Palin drew 13,000 to an outdoor football field with temps in the 30's.

When it comes to the ability to draw crowds, Sarah Palin has every potential candidate beat, hands down.

It should also be noted that Franklin Grahman of Samaritan's Purse is now sending out fundraising letters featuring a picture of himself with Gov. Palin on the envelope, and on the letter, a testimony to her ability to draw donations. Both Bill and Frankly Grahman are masters at fundraising, and they know what works, and what doesn't.

The Virginina GOP sent out a fundraising letter about a month ago, ago featuring Gov. Palin.

Even the DNC is using her to raise funds.

I suspect that SarahPAC will out raise Romney's PAC and Huckabee's PAC combined, by at least a factor of 2 to 1, when the figures are released in July, and SarahPAC didn't get started until February so the others had a full month extra to raise money.

K. Carpenter April 4, 2009 4:37 PM  

Wow, John. You have done your research. It will take me a couple of hours to get through it. Perhaps midnight tonight, I will have time. Thank you.

JR- you knocked it out of the ballpark with this one. Good job.

Perpetually perplexed April 4, 2009 4:42 PM  

I'm falling for this website. I'm undeclared, fiscally conservative and socially moderate and I really, really like Sarah Palin. I've liked her from the start. She is the 'real deal'.

DanO April 4, 2009 5:02 PM  

I am another Romney-to-Palin conversion story. Bluntly, Romney is not a "movement candidate" like Reagan or Palin. Of course he has talent, and can be a treasury sec. or a VP-as-insurance-policy, but the 2010 and 2012 election cycles will be the political equivalent of hand-to-hand combat. I just can't see Mitt Romney leading a conservative counter-revolution.

Betsy April 4, 2009 5:07 PM  

What I admire in Sarah is she keeps standing strong with some people trying to pull her down. She responds to attacks when she needs to and then keeps on going forward.

Sapwolf April 4, 2009 5:08 PM  

To Techno's first post:

#3 - Kathleen Parker

I guess I'm one of those oogedy-boogedy religious crackpots.

Morgan April 4, 2009 5:12 PM  

I don't know if Kathleen Parker has written the most ridiculous articles about Sarah Palin, quantity-wise, but she did write the most insulting article about Sarah and her supporters.

Her article made us male supporters look like sex fiends and objectified the Governor in the worst possible way. The fact she is a solid conservative was what led me to support her as fully as I have, not because she is sexually attractive (the very term Parker used in her article).

She still owes an apology to Sarah and those of us men who supported her and continue to do so, as far as I'm concerned.

Here's a link to the article:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Njc2YzU3MjE4Nzk0YmVlM2ZlMjZkODRiNDA4YmQyODE=

If you can't get to it, it's called Tragic Flaw from October of 2008, and can be found at either The Washington Post or National Review Online.

Sapwolf April 4, 2009 5:15 PM  

Romney is finished as a viable POTUS candidate. I too voted for him in the primary, but he will never be POTUS.

His problem Michael is not business experience. His problem (and it is the problem of all GOP candidates except Sarah) is that he has no true convictions.

Could you imagine Romney telling Gorbachev to tear down that wall? Gorbachev would have died laughing at him.

Now, sub in the mommabear with the unshakable convictions. Putin wouldn't take her lightly. That bayonet will hit steel very quick. With Romney, Putin would just poke his finger and not bother getting blood on his blade.

It comes down to convictions and courage and charisma and LEADERSHIP.

Sarah has more leadership skills in her than ANY other GOP national politician.

Oh, and yes, she will be the champion of the small-businessman, and families and religious people which will help to make inroads to the hispanic community too.

Morgan April 4, 2009 5:17 PM  

I correct myself; Kathleen Parker quoted somebody saying he was sexually attracted to Sarah Palin. She didn't use the exact term sexually attractive.

R. A. Mansour April 4, 2009 5:22 PM  

I'm undeclared, fiscally conservative and socially moderate and I really, really like Sarah Palin.

Welcome to C4P, friend!

You'll find many people here who fit that description. Most of us would define ourselves as fiscally conservative. We range from conservative to moderate on social issues (even among our Contributors). If you believe in adhering to constitutional principles, and you want a leader who follows the constitution and believes in the separation of powers and a limited role for government, then Palin is your gal. And C4P is your sandbox on the web. Stick around! And let us know what you think about the issues.

sarah palin rocks April 4, 2009 5:26 PM  

Johnfromphilly:

Great post! I'm glad when a person can present the facts and have support to back up their opinion.

Regarding gay marriage, my impression is that Sarah, like most conservatives and persons of faith, believes that marriage should be between a man and a woman. However, she also has stated that gay people deserve equal protection under our laws and should not be discriminated against.

I believe she is in favor of a legal remedy like "civil unions" to grant gays rights in their relationships like those heterosexuals acquire through marriage. I recall that Sarah said something along those lines in her VP debate.

I think it is important for us Sarah supporters to note this because the anti-Palin critics have pushed this meme that she hates homosexuals or hates gays. Gay voters are growing in number and are influential in politics. Gays have growing support among the public also. Most Americans know someone who is gay/bisexual or have a family member who is.

sarah palin rocks April 4, 2009 5:28 PM  

Ooops, meant to say above: "I think it is important for us Sarah supporters to note this because the anti-Palin critics have pushed this meme that she hates homosexuals or is anti-gay rights."

R. A. Mansour April 4, 2009 5:29 PM  

techno,

Michael doesn't deserve to be anywhere in that list of people. He supported the McCain/Palin ticket. He's not a Palin basher. He's just not a Palin supporter. There is a huge difference.

ugafish April 4, 2009 5:42 PM  

Techno,
You can replace Michael with George Will.

techno April 4, 2009 5:47 PM  

ramrocks:

Michael totally misrepresented Sarah's foreign policy credentials, claiming a lack of knowledge.

Michael must have missed Sarah's debate with Biden where she mopped the floor with a 35 year expert in foreign affairs.

She has obvious weaknesses, Michael says. What are those obvious weaknesses? I don't see Sarah in those terms. That's like saying that Tiger Woods had obvious weaknesses after he won the 1997 Masters by 13 strokes.

Sarah is a first round draft choice who has been to the playoffs (2008 campaign). Saying that Sarah has to become more conversant in certain areas does not mean that they are 'obvious weaknesses'.

ramrocks, I guess we're dealing here with nuance. And I didn't appreciate the joke Michael perpetrated on the supporters of Sarah Palin. I saw that as a sign of disrespect to Sarah.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on Michael.

john April 4, 2009 5:47 PM  

Greg:

MSM did its best to hide this important fact. So you were very astute to follow the local reports of Palins's crowds.

Anyone who did will know that she touched millions of voters like no other Republican has in a long, long time.

My favorite fact is that Palin (4,000 - 5,000) outdrew Biden (2,000) in his home town of Scranton and Biden had both Bill and Hillary's help.
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/world_us/20081013_Clintons_together_campaign_with_Biden.html

hrh April 4, 2009 5:49 PM  

Re: Palin and the LBGT community, I point people to www.hillbuzz.com, a group of Chicago gay men Who. Love. This. Woman.

Also to www.TammyBruce.com, lesbian radio talkshow host and sometime substitute for Laura Ingraham, who supported Palin last election and still provisionally supports her.

sarah palin rocks April 4, 2009 6:06 PM  

hrh:

Camille Paglia was also a huge fan of Sarah's! I admire her for having the guts and intellectual honesty to write such laudatory essays about Sarah at Salon.com. I know she got took a lot of heat from their progressive/liberal readers there. I'm sure members of the GLBT community were upset with her too.

I love Hillbuzz! They helped me get thru the insanity of the 2008
Obama coronation by using humor and stating the ugly truth about how the MSM had pre-ordained The One.

georgiapeach April 4, 2009 6:08 PM  

This Palin Democrat can state unequivocally that Mitt Romney has zero appeal for me. The middle class is hungry for a candidate who can talk to us instead of at us, and Sarah Palin fits that bill to a T. I would walk through fire to get her elected. I wouldn't walk across the street to vote for Mitt Romney.

narciso April 4, 2009 7:23 PM  

One sees that Poligazette is not exclusively but mainly dismissive
of the Governor's record and policy positions, but apparently
unaware of their supposed first
choice candidate's position. And they seem to have ignored McCain's
position on the issue as well, They're not in the same category as the other four, but it seems they won't be allies on the issues
any time soon PS, they are really ticked off at someone who calls themselves Jan

TommyReport April 4, 2009 7:44 PM  

For those with nothing to do this Saturday night, take the "Which Supreme Court Justice are You? test.

http://helloquizzy.okcupid.com/tests/which-supreme-court-justice-are-you-test

My score was:

Scored 100% on Alito
Scored 100% on Roberts
Scored 83% on Thomas
Scored 81% on Scalia
Scored 60% on Kennedy
Scored 25% on Ginsburg
Scored 25% on Breyer
Scored 24% on Stevens
Scored 24% on Souter

CCRWM April 4, 2009 8:12 PM  

I think that another problem that we have is that many people don't care about things that we used to care about i.e. integrity, no drug use, experience, accomplishments to name a few. How do we get back to that? Sarah has all that but that won't matter to a lot of people... it's really a sad world we're living in...

Morgan April 4, 2009 8:25 PM  

TommyReport, I took the Supreme Court quiz and I found out I'm Justice Clarence Thomas. Here's my scores:

Justice Thomas 87%
Chief Justice Roberts 87%
Justice Alito 86%
Justice Scalia 85%
Justice Kennedy 48%
Justice Stevens 25%
Justice Breyer 20%
Justice Souter 20%
Justice Ginsburg 13%

TommyReport April 4, 2009 8:37 PM  

Gardunn,

I'll repudiate your comment about Mitt's sons. If Palin's children are off-limits, then Mitt's should be as well unless they run for public office themselves.

So I would request that Russo or Mansour delete your post.

Joseph Russo April 4, 2009 8:43 PM  

Gardunne,

Children are off limits

sarah palin rocks April 4, 2009 8:46 PM  

Regarding Palin's foreign policy experience, she is involved in negotiating trade agreements between Alaska and foreign countries for Alaska's exports and imports. Palin recently hosted a very large delegation of foreign dignitaries to celebrate Alaska's 50th Anniv. of Statehood.

She is involved with treaties that affect Alaska and the US Artic Zone like NAFTA and the proposed Treaty of the Sea, etc.

She has to maintain border security for Alaska especially with regards to Russia. The planned North Korea missile launch is a national security threat which could hit Alaska and cause untold damage.

It would be helpful if C4P could compile a comprehensive list of Palin's foreign policy dealings so that we can have a point of reference when the issue of Palin's foreign policy credentials/experience comes up.

AmeriCuda April 4, 2009 9:13 PM  

Hrh,
I agree, Hillbuzz is great. I really thought their support of Gov. PALIN was simply a rebound situation (after the Hillary loss) and that they would quickly retreat from their support, but they have stood strong. Props to them for swimming against the tide, and I'm proud to have them aboard the Palin Train. I also agree about Tammy Bruce. For my money she is the best and most consistently 'listenable' of the conservative hosts after Limbaugh.Her flow and passion are a little better than Ingrahams. I can't listen often, but I also like Levin.

AmeriCuda April 4, 2009 9:18 PM  

That said,
Laura Ingraham's Meghan McCain valley-girl voice is worthy of Fey's Emmy, Sean Penn's Oscar and Gore's Nobel peace prize put together.

bitterclinger April 4, 2009 9:30 PM  

JR,

Great job. IF C4P doesn't win conservative blog of the year, I'll say "You was robbed!"

What I got out of all those criticisms that Michael had written was that if Sarah had been a man, none of those hits would've been relevant! She had more of every kind of experience than President Poseur and his slow veep. She wrapped rings around both of them.

And John from Philly, what an outstanding, fact-based piece! That was exhaustive.

I can echo your rally stats, too. I was at Sarah's Richmond rally, originally planned for 2,000, then 6,000, then it was moved to the Richmond International Raceway -- where the newspaper reported around 20,000 in attendance. We had to keep checking the web site all week to see where the next move would be!

It was a miserably long wait. We were packed in like sardines and sweating like you wouldn't believe. BUT, everyone was so excited to see the bus pull up and dispatch the Little Alaskan General and Todd, too. The crowd was electrified after waiting hours and hours for her. It was well worth it.

And Michael, I was yet another Mittens primary voter, even after he dropped out the day before (VA had a late primary). I used him as my protest vote because I disliked McCain and Huckster so much. But choosing between Mittens and The General? No contest.

You can tell me about all the areas in which you think Sarah is weak and I'll point out what others have said -- Sarah's a conservative -- in spades. When you know AND live conservatism, those principles will guide you in the very best way to go.

Ronald Reagan was known to the MSM as the "Amiable Dunce." Guess America didn't agree with the MSM when they gave him that landslide re-election win.

Sarah's supporters see a lot of Ronnie in her. These kinds of leaders don't come along often enough. If we're lucky enough to get her to run for POTUS, we're not going to let her down.

sarah palin rocks April 4, 2009 9:50 PM  

In hindsight, it was a good the 2008 election turned out the way it did. If Obama had lost, the MSM and the Dems and the international community would have screamed that his loss was due to America's racism. The MSM would have been enraged enough to undermine anything McCain or Palin would try to achieve.

Obama fooled many moderates, independents and a lot of conservatives into believing he would govern as a centrist. It is important for Americans to experience first hand Obama's radical policies so that in 2012they can make an informed decision of whether that was the change they were looking for.

It is one thing to talk about "hope and change" and "spreading the wealth" but it is another when you have to live with the consequences of those policies.

latinchic April 4, 2009 10:09 PM  

"Oh, and yes, she will be the champion of the small-businessman, and families and religious people which will help to make inroads to the hispanic community too."

Oh, you better BELIEVE if Sarah ever runs, I will help garner support from minorities. I'm convincing Hispanics already, and I have at least 4 more years to do it. *grin*

Quiz Results:

John Roberts- 87%
Alito- 86%
Scalia- 81%
Thomas- 83%
Kennedy- 60%
Breyer- 33%
Ginsberg- 25%
Stevens- 24%
Souter- 24%


*****************

p.s. Great posts, JR & JohnfromPhilly. Pretty thorough.

K. Carpenter April 4, 2009 10:11 PM  

Mine Justice test was tied...Scalia and Roberts, with an Alito slightly behind.

Greg April 4, 2009 10:12 PM  

Here is one of my favorite sites. Take a look at the crowds, now picture 2012, those crowds will be 2, 3, 4, and 5 times bigger.

http://www.jeffhead.com/palin/palin-hiding.htm

Palin draws record crowds in FL
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/palin-draws-record-crowds-in-florida-938434.html

More than 25,000 Hoosiers welcome Palin Nobelsville IN
http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/1952872/

I've still got the linkds to dozens of local reports of her rallies, and enjoy reading them from time to time.

Ceejay April 4, 2009 10:47 PM  

Sarah would make a better POTUS, I agree, pray that his N Korea missile is shot down and does not hit the USA. We look very weak on foreign policy.

section9 April 5, 2009 12:00 AM  

Michael:

I appreciate your support of Mitt Romney, but let's face it, after watching him lose to McCain last year, I came to the conclusion that Romney couldn't beat Paul Tibbets in an election for mayor of Hiroshima.

Romney was the candidate of choice of the Bush/Rove/RNC wing of the Party. That is to say, the wing of the Party that's completely out of touch with the country. If you want to lose in a landslide, nominate Mitt.

R. A. Mansour April 5, 2009 12:06 AM  

section9, shoot me an email at ramansour@conservatives4palin.com.

Got a question for you.

gardunne63 April 5, 2009 1:35 AM  

"Gardunne,

Children are off limits"

Oops. My bad.

Still don't like Mitch...

Julie

wilsonpickett April 5, 2009 1:43 AM  

Morgan:

Just got back late tonight from watching the NCAA semifinals with friends. No offense to folks on the East Coast, but as a Midwesterner and someone who watched Tyler Hansbrough play in high school, I am quite content with the fact none of the vaunted Big East Conference schools have advanced to the title game.

In reading through the blogs, I may have something to add to your comments earlier Saturday about Kathleen Parker.

If my aging memory hasn't failed me, I think I recall that the person Ms. Parker referred to as being "sexually attracted" to Sarah Palin was her own husband. Someone out there, correct me if I am wrong.

Perhaps that is one of many reasons Ms. Parker isn't too high on Governor Palin.

bitterclinger April 5, 2009 1:32 PM  

wilsonpickett, I think you're right. All those jokesters at Ace's place always sign sexually frustrated e-mails (re her husband) as "Kathleen Parker."

Morgan April 5, 2009 8:58 PM  

wilsonpickett:

The person referred to by Kathleen Parker as being sexually attracted to Sarah Palin was not her husband, but she did mention her husband as having supposedly noticed the "reason" Sarah was getting large support as well.

You're both partly wrong and partly right.

Peach April 7, 2009 3:05 AM  

Latinchic: Once Hispanics learn the truth about Sarah, they will love her.There is a website in Spanish to promote conservatism:
www.politicadelpueblo.ning.com/

Recovering Democrat,  December 22, 2009 5:06 PM  

I vote for Kathleen Parker. I despise that woman. Peggy Noonan is just a little crazy in the head. The two Davids are two-bit misogynists.

Kathleen has suggested that Palin inspires racism. To me, that's just despicable.

Recovering Democrat,  December 22, 2009 5:14 PM  

What foreign policy thinking has Romney impressed you with, Michael? What positions has he taken that have been dramatically different than Bush or McCain or *gasp* Palin?

I doubt Romney would have the guts to say what Sarah Palin said about Israel's settlements, nor would he have had the courage to criticize China's human rights record while giving a speech in Hong Kong?

Where's the amazing Romney foreign policy thinking?

terri,  February 17, 2010 7:54 PM  

Greg...

Great photos!.....Can't wait till I can attend a hot, sweaty. packed like sardines, "Palin For President Rally"!!!!

JR..great post....ya can't argue facts.

Never ever was a Romney supporter....never felt he was the "real deal" and came off phoney with a capital "F"...lol...just another politician sprewing the same old rhetoric.
Someone posted that Romney reminded him of a plastic mannequin....I can totally see that. ;))
Didn't know who I was going to vote for and then Palin came along...I tell ya, it was love at first site....the rest is history.

I don't care who the "bloggers" or the op-ed authors are....you will NEVER get me to change my mind about Romney. But I'm always up for a good debate. :))

financial spread betting August 28, 2010 2:26 AM  

Some of the quotes appear to be from someone who doesn't like Palin much.

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