Hey, Geoffrey, Let Me Show You Real Plagiarism; UPDATE: Palin's Attorney Demands Removal of Story; Letter Included
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Geoffrey Dunn breathlessly reports at the Huffington Post that Palin committed “pure unadulterated plagiarism”...well, actually, that’s what he said yesterday. Today he scrubbed that statement.
He's up in arms about the speech that Gov. Palin gave in Anchorage last week at the Michael Reagan event. Dunn writes:
While Palin twice mentioned Gingrich in the speech (she never once acknowledged Shirley), virtually every single reference she made to Reagan was looks to be lifted directly from the Gingrich-Shirley article.
The article has been scrubbed. It used to include this sentence at the end of the above paragraph:
It’s a pure case of unadulterated plagiarism.
Apparently someone pointed out to Geoffrey that by citing Gingrich at least five times in her speech, Gov. Palin was attributing the words/ideas to him. She had no intention of pretending that it was hers. She was paraphrasing his words, but essentially using what he wrote. That’s why she cited his article five times.
But Dunn is correct on one point. She forgot to mention that Gingrich co-wrote the article with Craig Shirley. Someone call the Modern Language Association and tell them that Palin failed to properly cite both authors. She deferred to the more famous of the two (who also happens to come first alphabetically).
Palin also failed to provide the date, the publisher, and the page number of the section she quoted. Meg Stapleton, if you are reading this, you need to buy the governor a copy of the MLA Style Guide right away.
I am surprised that the left is suddenly so upset about plagiarism. So many of their fellow travelers have had “issues” with “lifting” other people's work without citing their sources the way that Gov. Palin did at least five times. (*ahem* Doris Kearns Goodwin, Joe McGinniss, Molly Ivins, Charles Ogletree... just to name a few.)
If Dunn is interested in the problem of plagiarism, we can direct his gaze to one very famous “pure case of unadulterated plagiarism”:
Notice that Joe didn’t “cite” anyone. He actually stole the details of Neil Kinnock’s life and passed them off as his own. How creepy is that?
Stealing someone’s words without attribution is bad enough, but to steal Neil Kinnock’s words? Neil Kinnock?! What kind of a moron wants to imitate Neil Kinnock?
(Apparently Josh Painter and I are on the same wave length.)
UPDATE by RAM: David Hulen at the ADN’s Alaska Politics Blog weighs in:
Was it plagiarism? Improper "lifting"? Palin mentions the Gingrich article at the start of her remarks, as Dunn notes, and quotes pretty much directly from it. It gets cloudier later. Subsequently, as Dunn points out, Palin appears to continue to pull from the Gingrich/Shirley article without subsequent attribution, mixing her own comments with those from the article.
She cited Gingrich at least five times, and she mixed his wording with her own comments. In other words, she gave a twenty minute intro speech in which she cited and referenced an article written by others. Why is this controversial? They want to deflect from what she actually said, so they put forward this non-issue.
UPDATE by RAM II: It should also be noted that Gov. Palin often “freelances” off her prepared remarks. She cited Gingrich at least five times. She could very well have referenced him even more in her prepared notes.
In her Evansville speech, she cited Laura Ingraham’s “Power to the People,” and was clear in her attribution there. Palin does not have a problem sourcing other people’s ideas. The very notion that she would steal someone else’s words intentionally is ludicrous. The worst thing they can accuse her of is having “derivative” ideas. Apparently she agrees with Newt.
UPDATE by RAM III: You may also recall that Obama got into some trouble during the primaries for lifting Deval Patrick’s words in a speech. Unlike Gov. Palin, who cited her source at least five times, Obama never credited Patrick. He lifted Patrick’s words without citation:
During a news conference here, Mr. Obama said he and Mr. Patrick “trade ideas all the time.” Asked if he should have given credit to Mr. Patrick, he said, “I’m sure I should have,” but he said he doubted that voters were concerned by the dust-up.
Palin gave credit to Gingrich at least five times. Obama lifted without giving credit. Is this another example of a double standard?
UPDATE IV by RAM: Here is the speech in question from last Wednesday:
UPDATE V by RAM:
The ADN has video of this speech, which was recorded by Dennis Zaki, up on their website. As I noted a few days ago, Zaki recorded the speech without permission and then sold it to CNN for a pile of money.
This is from the event location's website:
May I bring my camera or video camera to the show?
Cameras, video cameras and other recording devices are not allowed inside the performance spaces of the Center. Any photographic, video or recording devices discovered inside the theatres may be confiscated. Exceptions to this policy will be posted at CenterTix.net.
I want an audio recording of the performance. Can I bring my own recording device?
Audio recording is strictly prohibited in the Center. Any recording devices brought into the theatre may be confiscated. Please remember that copyright laws are federal laws and carry strict penalties when broken. Many artists provide their own merchandise including performance recordings for sale in the lobby of the venue.
We would have probably let the whole thing slide if it weren’t for the fact that Zaki uploaded the speech unto YouTube with the title “Sarah Palin Plagiarizes Newt Gingrich in Anchorage Speech June 3, 2009.”
Zaki’s Trig Truther friend Gryphen, who was with him at the event, said this on his blog in response to my post about Zaki selling his bootlegged recording:
...the c4pers can get as pissy as they want, but Dennis had permission from Sarah Palin herself to film that event.
And Sarah knows full well that Dennis sells his tape to whatever news agency will pay the most for it. He is after all a freelance videographer.
Anyone believe that he had permission "from Sarah Palin herself"? I don’t.
UPDATE VI by RAM: The Associated Press has a report on this faux controversy and includes a statement from Gov. Palin’s attorney, Thomas Van Flein:
“It is abundantly clear in context, and even in subcontext, that the overview of President Reagan’s legacy was attributed to Newt Gingrich,” Palin’s lawyer, Thomas Van Flein, said.
“Far from ‘lifting’ or plagiary, this is proper attribution in a political speech,” Van Flein said. “The audience was made aware that Mr. Gingrich wrote about President Reagan’s legacy, and Gov. Palin attributed her paraphrasing to Mr. Gingrich expressly and did so at the beginning and at the end of the paraphrasing.”
Here is the complete letter that Gov. Palin’s attorney, Thomas Van Flein, sent to David Hulen of the ADN in response to Hulen’s post about this alleged “plagiarism”:
I am writing on behalf of Sarah Palin relative to the Anchorage Daily News’ (“ADN”) continued publication and re-publication of the story by Mr. Dunn that appears to be defamatory, malicious and just goes too far. We ask that the story, and the ADN link to this story, immediately cease.
Mr. Dunn has made the serious, and false, accusation that the Governor plagiarized text from Newt Gingrich. (Re-wording this in your story or Mr. Dunn’s story to the softer “lifted” is not a substantive difference, but it does reflect the fact that Mr. Dunn may now recognize that he was wrong in calling it “plagiarism”).
To evaluate this, we start with a definition of what “plagiarism” is and just as importantly, what it is not. Plagiarism is not reciting text originally authored by another. Rather, it is presenting somebody else’s expression of ideas without attribution or acknowledgement. See http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plagiarized (“steal and pass off the ideas or words of another as one’s own: using (another’s production without crediting the source”).
I have a copy of the transcript of the speech given by Governor Palin. It is abundantly clear in context, and even in sub-context, that the overview of President Reagan’s legacy was attributed to Newt Gingrich. Before the text of paraphrased analysis was ever mentioned, the Governor clearly noted the source for her comments: “Recently, Newt Gingrich had written a good article about Reagan.” Thereafter, the Governor expressly referred to “Newt Gingrich” or the pronoun “he” or “he said” (all referring to Newt Gingrich). Thus, the commentary, paraphrase and analysis were acknowledged, attributed and sourced at the outset of the commentary—and at the end of the commentary. For example, the speech stated: “He said, regarding your dad Michael, he said we need to learn from his example that courage and persistence are keys to historic achievement.” Then, after the paraphrased comments, she again noted her source: “What Newt had written in this article....”
Far from “lifting” or plagiary, this is proper attribution in a political speech. The audience was made aware that Mr. Gingrich wrote about President Reagan’s legacy, and Governor Palin attributed her paraphrasing to Mr. Gingrich expressly and did so at the beginning and at the end of the paraphrasing. Labeling this type of commentary plagiarism is defamatory. It is also simply false. We ask that this article be withdrawn from your website and newspaper because of its errors.
Though there is considerable constitutional leeway for comment about public officials, statements made with malice are actionable. Actual malice is akin to deceit and misrepresentation. It is an intentional misrepresentation to assert, as fact, that Governor Palin failed to attribute her paraphrased commentary to Mr. Gingrich. It is also a statement made with reckless disregard for the truth. Either way, it is defamatory.
I am attaching a copy of the introduction. The paraphrased commentary was clearly attributed to Newt Gingrich, and no fair journalist should make the serious assertion that the Governor did not credit Mr. Gingrich with the comments he made about President Reagan. Please withdraw this article/commentary from your publication.
I’m no legal expert, but it sounds like Geoffrey might be in big trouble now. Sounds like the governor is threatening to sue. Don’t mess with a barracuda, boys.
The letter goes on to provide the complete (and accurate) transcript of the speech. Here it is:
INTRODUCTION OF MICHAEL REAGAN
JUNE 3, 2009
I am very, very excited to be here tonight. We have an awesome guest, a guest who is affecting our culture in such a positive way. We need him to keep on being bold and we’re counting on Michael Reagan to help educate America.
I want to welcome tonight our good Lt. Governor Sean Parnell, who I can’t see, but I know he’s here. Sean Parnell. My brother Chuck Heath is here and my husband, Alaska’s First Dude, Todd Palin, is here.
I have the honor to speak with you for a bit before I get to introduce you to Michael Reagan. And what I’m going to do in introducing Michael is to continue to encourage him, to continue to be bold and to call it like he sees it, and to screw the political correctness that some would expect him to have to adhere.
We want him to be bold, we need him to be bold. Mr. Reagan, we need your voice to be loud and strong. We appreciate him. He doesn’t shy away from the tough issues and that is so good. He never lets anyone tell him to “sit down and shut up.” And I would hope, Alaska, that our voice, too, will be heard across this nation. I look forward to hearing from Michael Reagan tonight. Because America must learn from him, from his remarkable father, and that remarkable presidency.
First, I think what we are going to learn tonight via Michael is that Ronald Reagan’s ideas were the right ideas. And all we have to do is look back at his record—his economic record and his national security record—to know that his ideas were right. It was called ‘common sense conservativism.’ It was right then, it’s right now. Recently, Newt Gingrich, has written a good article about Reagan:He said, regarding your dad Michael, he said: we need to learn from his example that courage and persistence are keys to historic achievement. And with Reagan’s example, DC politicians calling the shots for our country, they had better rely on the good sense of the American people, and bag the reliance on the entrenched bureaucrats; and the elite self-proclaimed intellectuals; and the smug lobbyists who dominate Washington; and the liberal media that is imposing its will on Washington; and embracing that status quo that business as usual it’s not good for our country.
But we have to remember first that Ronald Reagan never won any arguments in Washington. He won the arguments by resonating with the American people. Those of us so proud to be Americans and willing to acknowledge that, no we’re not a perfect nation, but never, never do we have to apologize for being proud of our country.
Ronald Reagan spoke to us then, and with us. Here in our hearts is where he reached us and that’s where he won the arguments. This is the good part: and then we the American people, through him, we imposed our will on Washington, and that is the way it is supposed to be. Our government is supposed to be working for us. We are not to be working for our government. It’s our will that is to be imposed on them. He captured our hearts so he could effect positive change by what he did. He focused on our kids—on our children—on their futures, on the future of America. When he fought socialism and any sort of tyranny that he knew would ruin us, we stood strong on his knowing that the framework through which he believed was positive change—and that framework for our kids was freedom. Today, the things that some in Washington would do to take away our freedom is absolutely astounding and we would do so well to look back at those Reagan years as he championed the cause for freedom and how he then he lived it out as President.
Cheerfully, persistently, and unapologetically, Reagan knew that real change—real change required shaking things up. Maybe taking on the entrenched interests who were thwarting the will of the people with their ignoring of our concerns about future perils caused by selfish, shortsighted advocacy for growing government. And digging more debt; and taking away individual and states’ rights; and hampering opportunities to responsibly develop our resources; and coddling those who seek to harm America and her allies.
This is what Newt had written in this article. He also wrote: Remember how refreshing it was with his outrageous directness that Americans loved, and craved, and deserved when Reagan dealt with—with then the troublesome Soviet Union. Remember this? His vision for the Cold War: We win, they lose. And with dĆ©tente. Speaking of dĆ©tente, he used two words: “Evil Empire.” He called it like he saw it. And now, why today, I have to ask, why today do we feel we have to kind of pussyfoot around our troublesome foes, say for example the terrorists, who still seek to kill Americans and destroy our allies. They haven’t changed their tune. Terrorists are still dead-set against us, and set on destroying Israel; against our freedoms, and against our security. I’ve got a kid over there fighting for our country and our country’s freedom right now. It is war over there, so it will not be war over here, and it had better still be our mission that “We win, they lose.”
Now, on the economy, remember Reagan used to remind us that America was built on freedom and free enterprise. Reward for a strong work ethic. Some in Washington have approached our economic woes in ways that absolutely defy Economics 101, and they fly in the face of the principles providing opportunity for industrious Americans to succeed—or to fail—on their own accord. Those principles that we teach our children, and that we employ in our own businesses and our own households to balance our budgets and live within our means and financially secure our futures. It makes you wonder what the heck some in Washington are really trying to accomplish here.
Since when can you get out of a huge national debt by creating trillions of dollars of new debt? It really is so backwards and skewed as to sound like absolute nonsense when some of this new economic policy is explained. How do you put more Americans to work if you disincentivize business with threats of taking them over—or bailing them out—for decisions that they’ve made? And increasing taxes? That’s the only way that the new administration is going to pay for the outrageous government growth that has been laid upon us—new taxes are the only way to pay for all this. All that shoos away jobs into foreign countries and it makes us more reliant on countries that lent us the money that we have to borrow to try to sustain this new government largesse that our kids...and their kids...and their kids, are going to have to pay for. We are a selfish bunch to allow this to happen to America’s future. Someone is going to have to ‘pay the piper.’ And we’re seeing our national trade balance get really so out of whack that we need to employ Reaganism or we’re going to be headed away from being the wealthiest, most industrious, healthiest and most generous nation on the earth to having the highest negative trade balance of any nation; then its erosion of free market opportunities to build and to create and to innovate. And the shift is really not only economically preposterous, but really, if you think about it, it’s immoral.
Does anybody remember ‘life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness?’ Because socialism—any kind of hint towards socialism—takes away freedoms, and opportunity and hope. And then we do forget that life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness is an inherent right that God has provided us. I want to hit on one thing specific that I’m suggesting here and that’s with the stimulus package. Alaskans have heard me talk a lot about this. You got to ask yourself “what is this all about?” The process, even of creating the stimulus package, with Congress expected to vote on it without even knowing what was in it. The conservatives and Republicans in Congress, they looked at this debtridden, gargantuan government growth plan and they voted against it. They didn’t like it. They warned states that there were fat, fat strings attached to these dollars.
And there were strings. There are strings. Because that’s inherent in federal spending. That’s the nature of the beast. Of course there are strings attached. So there were lots of warnings that were given to all the states that “hey unless your state is ready to chuck the 10th Amendment and you’re going to hand over willingly more power/control to big centralized government and to DC politicians who are going to tell you what to do in your state,” the warning was: legislatures be careful with the temptation with the stimulus package dollars. They didn’t like it then. But then a bunch of the local elected officials objected--we agreed with them--then we started seeing the press releases kind of bragging about the bacon that these hundreds of millions and billions of dollars—almost a trillion dollars total were going to bring into our states. Buckets of money—of borrowed money—that would pour into the state. So, the states started being more “Hey you’d better take the money. If you don’t take it, other states are going to spend it for you.” Then, what that did, it empowered those who hold state’s purse strings to resolve to take the money anyway. Even if the public and some governors had grave concerns over growing government—it’s going to grow government. Legislatures did this via resolution to take the money and then federal agency interpretations for rules of engagement—how to accept and then spend that money—those rules kept changing. And a lot of confusion ensued.
And let’s be honest, states were made to really look incompetent—almost unethical—if they were staying consistent and were still saying “no” to accepting some of those federal funds that don’t necessarily stimulate the economy and create private sector jobs—as it’s being fed to us. These are short-term, expectation building, new bureaucratic growth spurts. Legislatures ended up resolving to take the money which was contributing to more dizzying national debt. The mixed messages created the confusion, and now frustration and disenchantment—with—and from our own government. And look what happened when, here in Alaska, in my administration, I vetoed the stimulus package—some of the dollars— with obvious big government strings attached, and shoot, I just about got run out of town by some.
Friends, we need to be aware of the creation of a fearful population, and fearful lawmakers being led to believe, that Big Government is the answer to bail out the private sector because then government gets to get in there and control it, and—mark my words—this is going to happen next I fear—bail out next debt ridden states. Then government gets to get in there and control the people. And watch what happens there. Michael maybe you want to talk about your home state, California. We’ll see what happens there. You know, for the love of God you have to ask yourself, where did we get off track?
Michael Reagan is going to talk about getting on the right track. He knows we know here in Alaska, that America is the greatest nation on earth because our foundation is freedom. It’s in God we trust, it’s not in Big Government that we trust.
So I encourage Michael to keep on speaking up. And for me; you know me … before my Franco Sarto red high heels even get off the stage and touch the floor, my critics are going to be loaded for bear—they’re going to start unloading—because I dared speak up. But you, you here tonight, I know that you understand. Some though, they’re empowered by national figures, and some of the press who want to put—not just me—but anybody who dares speak up right back down in their place, if one dares speak their mind nowadays. Here in Alaska it’s kind of like this ‘new normal,’ a little bit accepted it seems like. But so be it. I think things here that have so drastically changed these past months, some want to forbid others from speaking up. It’s been through lawsuits, through ethics violation charges, and media distortions. By the way, today, we won that 14th ethics charge.
Alaskans can appreciate this one. We won the one where I show up at the Iron Dog, which is freezing cold, and I’m wearing my warm Arctic Cat coat, and a charge is levied against me for wearing the logo on the coat. But we won so that’s cool. There are those who want to tell me, they want to tell you to “sit down and shut up.” We will not do so! I just can’t because I love my state, I love my country. And I need you, we need Michael Reagan to keep on fighting for our freedom for our country. And what we’re being fed today, it seems, is a steady diet of selective, misrepresented news. So we need the Reagans of the world today to remind us of truth.
Let me ask you, why is it, considering how fast the world is spinning, and world changing events that go on all over the globe that affect our lives, world changing events, thousands of them every day, why do you suppose that the same big three, supposedly competing networks, that have virtually the same news content every night, with virtually the same exact viewpoint being spewed night after night after night? We’ve got to ask those questions. So I join you in speaking up and asking the questions, taking action.
Here at home, in my beloved Alaska, I just say, politically speaking, if I die, I die. I’ll know that I have spoken up, and I will speak up. To thank people like Mr. Reagan, as we honor his dad. To encourage you too, Alaskans, to do the same, and don’t just hang in there and go along to get along, but stand up and speak up and be bold and demand that Washington be prudent with our public monies and prioritize for America’s security. And forget the political correctness that makes one guard our conversations and couch our words so cautiously that they lose meaning, and then we lose effectiveness, and then we lose hope because we start thinking that politicians are only worried about their poll numbers and attracting campaign contributions for their next bid so they can hold on to some title for some position. No, let’s remind them, those who we elect, that we expect them to be bold, and so they are to be representing the will of the people to defend our Constitution and to win our wars.
And obviously me not being, heck not many of us here tonight, are in that political, financial, academic, elite center of power. We’re not there. And it’s kind of refreshing to be outside of that, to tell you the truth. I am just a mom. I am a proud, Alaskan hockey mom. And I love my country, and I am concerned about my kids’ future, and your kids’ future. Since I was raised where it is rugged, and you kind of have to be tough, with dogged determination in order to survive sometimes. Well, not many of us in Alaska are inclined to just sit down and shut up, and I thank Michael Reagan for honoring Alaska by being here tonight, continuing to lead a cause for a better America.
Let’s hear it for Michael Reagan.
UPDATE by VO: The New York Times had this to say about Obama's plagiarism of Deval Patrick:
When professional writers borrow words without attribution, they're frequently censured, sometimes fiercely. It's natural, however, that when politicians do something similar -- and particularly when the words are spoken -- they are forgiven.
As Thomas Mallon, author of ''Stolen Words,'' a book about plagiarism, points out, ''Political language is unusually fluid.'' Politicians routinely borrow from one another, especially during campaigns, when they make use of any themes or mantras that seem to work. What Democratic candidate hasn't vowed to ''fight for working families''?
Historically, most politicians who fail to credit sources emerge unscathed.
Will the NYT similarly defend Governor Palin?






217 comments:
Let's not forget about Obama here.
He loves to steal material for his speeches.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wLjiq7lN1A
The Palin-haters are becoming desperate and they will use now anything.
Their attacks are running out of steam.
But the more they resort to this kind of stuff, the more absurd they look.
It appears that someone at the huff hate didn't want to get sued for libel.
Maureen Dowd anyone?
Palin should goof one speech on Biden , steeling his infamous Neil Kinnock speech.
You may want to look again:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoffrey-dunn/palin-plagiarizes-gingric_b_212228.html
Well, when you can't attack on substance......
Has Dunn issued an apology yet?
Sarah needs a team that can keep on top of this and go after the MSM to get the record straight. C'mon SarahPac get some money so Sarah can hire more staffers!
There are two kinds of Obama supporters, the ones that voted for him to get back at the Bush Administration, wanting something new..those are the ones that are harmless, then you have these kinds of idiots, the ones that will jump off a building of Obama told them to, those are the ones that you have to be worried about, those are the crazy ones that will stoop to any level to keep Obama in office.
They are scared to DEATH that Sarah can beat Obama..they follow her every move, everything she says gets scrutinized..but but, I thought she no longer matters..yeah right..the left are crapping their pants every time they hear her name
She can beat Obama and they KNOW it
"Apparently Josh Painter and I are on the same wave length." - RAM
"Les grands esprits se rencontrent" ("Great minds come together"). - Anon
"When a Frenchman and an Englishman think alike, they certainly must be right." - Voltaire
"I'm a Welshman, actually, but that's close enough for jazz." - Josh Painter
- JP
What's that vile stench? Oh, Celtic Sasquatch has bescumbered the place with it's presence.
celtic diva liveS?
Are you Huffing paint, Linda?
Here's some pics from today's events.
http://www.daylife.com/photo/0gesbsW7RqbDa?q=Sarah+Palin
DemocRATS keep throwing whatever junk her way and nothing sticks. They keep lying, and yet, she is still on top.
Desperation. Sarah Palin scares them like crazy.
Tried to post a rebuttal at Huff, but got deleted. I wrote on another tread here that this was the beginning of a "Sarah the plagairist" meme. Just like the false "ethics violations" were deigned to 'chill' and inhibit her actions, this would be designed to 'chill' her words. Every sentence and phrase construction would be pored over to prove 'plagairism'. Dunn has majored on the Sarah, "Queen of liars" meme. Obviously this isn't working, so they need a whole new meme. Dunn is reportedly writing a book about Sarah. C4P should offer to ghost write for him since we know exactly wht he is going to say.
Linda,
Is that rumor true that you're going to be the new Davis/Palin Iron Dog sponsor?
Wow, thanks, Patty Hewes...
pics of Gov. Palin Signing baseballs at Yankee Stadium!..
lotsa great photos!
I see the Beagle has pulled her head out of her blueoasis long enough to tap out a few words of wisdom, ooops, nonsense. Not surprising that she is a fan of Dunn the Liar, birds of a feather flock together.
Their attacks are becoming more idiotic by the day, like McLeod and the fabulous "gifts" of a jersey and DVD's, and Devon and her fellow Dirtbagger in Auburn with his idiotic sign. If this is all Gov. Palin's enemies have left, it's going to be a pretty easy ride until 2012.
should we give these anklebitters the time of day? i perfer to just ignore them.
i guess the best strategy is to debunk then ignore.
Please,
Biden is just harmless as usual.
Bring up the red meat.
Deval Patrick vs Obama "just words" is the real deal in plagiatism.
You tube has a number of nice vids.
When I see these pics. of Sarah at Auburn, the ballgame and the walk I am so proud of this lady that has taken so much and can still shine with that beautiful face and family. If this is "white trash", like the terrible trolls want to say,then I say, Lord please let me be "white trash".
For me, those words are becoming words of praise and inspiration.
Hillary in her best days post First Lady and NY senator ever had half of the enthusiam Sarah is having around there.
Don't worry about anti Palin sites. There are not Palin haters, their new name is Palin Scared or Scared of Palin.
I know when Sarah gets the nomination even Kathie Couric,Arianna Huffinson and Oprah Winfrey will have to confess their hearts beating with pride and when this young PTA mom beats their messiah they will be the first ones watching her taking her place as History's most powerful woman !
Hey Diva- perhaps you should re-read this post and actually follow the links.
You can come off looking painfully ignorant when you do not follow the links.
RAM did link to your buddy's ignorance, the same one you linked too.
Your buddy is still wrong, she did reference Gingrich, twice...as you buddy admitted.
RAM also linked to the speech on Wednesday night.
RAM also linked to your current vice president plagiarism.
Your messiah also plagarized. To this very day the big O still has not given the proper credit to Patrick Deval for stealing his words.
After all, they are just words, right?
(originally posted in the wrong link)
Note that Huff Post has not 'pulled' the article by Dunn. It's still up on the main page. Mark my words. This is the beginning of a "Sarah the plagairist" meme. It will intensify.
Then set them straight Emerson.
its actually quite ironic. in her speech she said that there are people who want her to sit down and shut up but she wasn't going to let them.
this speech is a sign that the fear is growing mwhauhauhauahu!!!.
Emerson,
I may intensify but it won't work. On the one hand the Palin-haters say she doesn't speak well. How would that square with a "plagairism" charge? Maybe they will attempt to claim that she is plagairizing the words of people who don't speak well??? Hmmmmmm...interesting approach. I guess they have nothing else though.
The whole thing is ludicrous. I'd just ignore it if I were her. The HuffPO has as much credibility as the Daily Kos or The National Enquirer so nobody pays attention anyway.
oh and huffpo is an echo chamber. theres no point in setting them straight unless your talking about straitjackets.
Sarah- Abraham Lincoln once said, Those who deny freedom to others, deserve it not for themselves; and, under a just God, can not long retain it.
Paint Huffers- OMG! She's plagiarizing Lincoln!!!! Where's my Macbook!? I have to BLOG!!
The World- *sigh*
Emerson C:
It only becomes a meme if you allow the trolls to set the terms of the debate and get sucked into their argument. By giving this silly accusation legs you allow it to become a meme. C4P has already nipped this in the bud and proven Dunn to be a liar. Palin supporters need to quit hand-wringing and waiting for the next shoe to drop. Defend the Governor on the real issues and quit giving morons like this Dunn character anymore attention than he deserves. Palin did not plagiarize. Period.
Epic Fail you anklebiters! I just went to HuffPo and the article has been scrubbed. The title has been changed too (they dropped the word "plagiarizes" to "lifts"). I read through most of it and it is illogical, poorly written and thought out.
He says that Palin attributes Newt when she reads excerpts from his speech and then he says that she is "lifting" from Newt by quoting parts of Newt's speech that she has attributed to Newt. Huh?!
This Dunn is a joke who is merely out to smear Palin. The day he calls out Obama and others on the Left who have a record of plagiarizing, then I will give his articles a second look. Until then he is a hack not worthy of our time.
The video is now up on her speech:
http://community.adn.com/adn/node/141649
Ooops! I meant to write the following in my comments above: "He says that Palin attributes Newt when she reads excerpts from his article and then he says that she is "lifting" from Newt by quoting parts of Newt's article that she has attributed to Newt. Huh?!"
Please note my corrections. I'm not afraid to come out and admit when I have made an error unlike the Mr. Dunn.
Folks. This is a non issue. Don't fall in the Scared of Palin crap. Ignore all this!
Talk about real business: her incredible stumping in New York, a super BLUE state!!!
Josh Painter has it exactly right. "How can paraphrasing be considered plagiarizing when both the author and the source are cited?"
There's really nothing more to add here. Dunn is a PDS nut who will only sell his book to a few left wing loons. Nobody will take it as a serious work of non-fiction.
Tapper asked Newt to respond via twitter about the article. Wonder what he'll say.
an other case of incredible stupidity.
The governor did give a short introduction speech in a basically irrelevant very low profile event, no press, no tv cameras, just the introduction of a talk radio host to a small audience. And she did make a reference to Gingrich not only once, but twice. It´s actually a sign for her honesty in a place and moment where it all usually doesn´t matter.
On the other hand we have "the grearest orator of our time" who produces one of his greatest oratory zingers ("just words") by just recycling a piece from fellow Axelrod client Deval Patrick without any reference.
If they want dicuss oratory plagiarism Obama has a number of real weak spots.
tapper's doing battle with moelane and others. lol.
C4Pers - Please alert Palin's staff that Mr. Dunn's false article is being used to libel Sarah across the blogoshere. Your contacts at popular blogs like Free Republic, Hot Air and Team Sarah should be alerted as well. They can get the word out quickly.
For example, Daily Kos has a libelous headline article "Palin Plagiarizes Newt Article." A lot of people do read DK and will think this is true.
Time to put the smackdown on this lie. These libelous attacks on Sarah need to stop.
Let's all alert the Media to this latest line of false attacks on Sarah and her reputation.
Oh, where to start said,
"Tapper asked Newt to respond via twitter about the article. Wonder what he'll say."
If Newt is honest and smart, he will call it for what it really is and say:
“It’s B.S.”
“There is nothing here.”
“And by the way I loved the Governor's speech and anytime she wants to use some of my material I am honored for her to do so."
Can I ask how the heck she can be charged with plagiarism if she mentioned Newt twice in her speech? I am so confused!!!
ABC's Jake Tapper is on it. mmhmmm punk. he's on twitter. must be catching flack. @jaketapper on Twitter
Oh, where to start....said
Can I ask how the heck she can be charged with plagiarism if she mentioned Newt twice in her speech? I am so confused!!!
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It only makes sense if you're hallucinating on freon vapor.
In that video of Joe Biden, he makes reference to himself: why is it that Joe Biden is the first person in his family to go to university.
That cracked me up.
Interviewer to Joe Biden: "What do you believe about abortion?"
Joe Biden: "Joe Biden believes in abortion."
Barack asks Joe Biden to be his vice presidential running mate.
Joe Biden answers: Joe Biden thinks Hillary Clinton would be a better pick, but okay, Joe Biden would love to run with you! Joe Biden will make a great vice president!
Waiter to Joe Biden: What kind of dressing would you like on that salad?
Joe Biden: Joe Biden would like Ranch, please.
Toki
It only makes sense if you're hallucinating on freon vapor
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Which apparently a lot of people are doing. Hopefully Newt puts a stop to this. I think it's ridiculous. You know AllahPundit is going to post it on Hot Air and make some wise idiotic comment.
She must have scared them this weekend so they had to come up with a distraction as quickly as possible.
If Gringrich is smart he will smack this down quickly.
Toki this should be a minor issue but like the book banning that never happened, our state run media will let it turn into a myth.
As stated , they work hard to deflect the content. State Media on the job.
The problem here is that MSNBC, CNN, and probably Fox will be running with this. Goodness, I thought the whole "Trig is Bristol's kid" thing would stick with the bloggers but look how far that went.
Axelrod pissed his pants.
he had to do something. ;)
I hope newt gives Huff-post a good smackdown.
Someone should twitter Newt this post so he just doesn't read the Huffpost blog that was written. He needs to see both sides.
Readers... I sent (tweet reply) to Tapper and Allahpundit w/ a link to Ram's post. If anyone else follows any others out there who are tweeting about this, please send them a tweet w/ the link to Ram's post. This needs to be debunked quickly as it is picking up steam out there...
Thanks!!
How can she plagarize when she can't read?
Don't these people even keep up with their own lies?
Has anyone even heard the actual speech itself? The guy at HuffPo was getting his information (the transcript) from mudflats, was he not? How do we even know that transcript is accurate?
Before I go, I checked out Andy Levy's take on this. Andy tweeted:
"@jaketapper Some of the Palin/Newt examples are a bit of a stretch, but others are pretty damning - enough so that this is a story." So now some on our side are doubting Sarah. :( See why we have to fight this?
Wait till Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin get their hands on this.
She cited Newt and quoted Reagan a couple times I don't see what is "damning" about it.
SPR,
Relax and wait for Newt's response.
TommyReport,
i agree. everyone needs to chill. there is no plagarism. even huffpo had to retract the headline. they can't attack the message so they attack the messenger. their usual memo.
How nice, AP has the HuffPo piece now up on HA. I imagine he's gonna milk this for all it's worth.
There is a post on HotAir....Oh they don't want us to start bringing up plagiarism now do they?
I am so sick of people on "our side" of the aisle perpetuating this nonsense. She CITED Newt twice. Good grief.
I don't know about Newt. He looks like he is going to run and he sometimes likes to jump on things before looking in to the situation. I expect him to take the MSM to lunch, but we'll see.
Jenny said...
I don't know about Newt. He looks like he is going to run and he sometimes likes to jump on things before looking in to the situation. I expect him to take the MSM to lunch, but we'll see.
I agree you never know with him, but I still say if he's smart he takes them for a beatdown and quickly.
Journalism class is now in session at C4P. Be warned this is not state run media here, so, um, C4P actually checks facts! It's not the game telephone here.
Love RAM's third update.
Dunn is so full of it. She mentioned Newt in it twice. She would have palgiarized if she didn't mention him at all.
You all know the reason they're bringing this up now is because Newt is speaking at the congressional fundraiser, and they're trying to stir up the waters?
Also, of course, because the Gov had a terrific PR weekend that they're trying their best to stifle?
And because if the pipeline news comes out this week, she will be on a hugely positive trajectory?
I surmise the good gov has already called Newt to clear up this nonsituation. Hopefully, they had a good conversation.
LOL a poster on Hot Air said in order for this to be truly palgiarized from Newt she would have to backtrack from the statement first. I like Newt but that's funny.
Gingrich is not like Romney. He will clarify everything. Romney would help spread the stupid smears to play down Sarah like he did with McCain.
That is why Romney WILL NEVER get Conservatives and Republican support and trust.
Let me fix that...
Dunn went grasping for straws and ended up with a handful of sh!t.
Ben Smith's comment:
Sarah Palin quoted liberally from Newt in her recent Anchorage stemwinder. (I'm not sure she crossed any kind of line -- she credited him twice -- but it's a kind of tribute to Gingrich's influence.)
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0609/Sunday_Reading_Quarantine.html#comments
One of you Freepers, freep this post. Get the word out, please.
This is an attack on her without merit. This is the sort of worthless bs that they did during the campaign. Don't stand for it.
Ordinary barbarians, your help is needed. Spread the word. Hot Air has this in the headlines now, but they only have the HuffPost piece. Email Allah our piece too. Ask him to link it. Don't sit there and take this. Do you part. Stand up and be heard!
RAM, this isn't even being discussed on FR. Do you still want to stir this up? I'll do it if that's what you want.
Al,
Post it before it stirs. It will stir shortly. Tapper is on it, and he has a grudge against Palin from his dust off with Bill McAllister earlier this year.
Ram,
I'm with Al B. on this one for the moment...Newt can put this "story" to bed if he wants to. We'll have to wait for his response to Tapper if he chooses to give one.
RAM? I think Tommy's right but it's your call. You're in the trenches on this stuff like no other.
If I do post it, I'd like to post your entire piece. OK?
Newt will say that since she mentioned him twice she didn't plagiarize. It also seems that so far most of the comments on hot air agree with us that she didn't plagiarize.
Uh-oh, new story on Palin and the NRCC:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23454.html
WTF allah is being a major a-hole
this was debunked
Tommy -- I WILL post this Politico piece on FR. What a bunch of crap.
RAM -- let me know and I'll post the other one.
They beat me to it on the Politico piece. Freepers are gonna go nuts over this one, as they should.
Ok anyway.
The reaction from people on FreeRepublic will be nothing compared to what Rush has to say tomorrow.
Ennealogic,
Go away DivaPiglit.
Wow this has really blown up on Hot Air. Apparently Andy Levy and AllahPundit are on twitter making fun of the posters defending her on Hot Air.
Between these guys and the fundraiser fiasco I'm starting to wonder about the people on "our side".
And that right there illustrates why I left Allah's pathetic site. (With all due respect to the commenters there. They aren't the ones who made it pathetic.)
I guess he is actually quoting comments and then making fun of them. Some of them are people that aren't even big supporters of her that happen to think this story is dumb.
Ennealogic, are you KIDDING? How could we not know there are people who see things differently?! They never stop talking about it!
Love your page! Keep up the great work!!
COMMON CENTS
http://www.commoncts.blogspot.com
ps. Link Exchange??
We should call people like Allah, Noonan, etc. that are "republicans" who are always on the side of liberals, as what Levin calls, "repubics."
These repubics are perpetuating falsehoods about Sarah for their own perverse pleasure.
I haven't yet heard the speeches. I was commenting first on Allahpundit's attitude and then on your comment, not on Palin's speech or Reagan's.
All I will say is that supporting someone is not the same as saying "she can do no wrong." Believe me, I know the difference. I've seen enough of the latter from a lot of the O-bots.
How are they really on our side, Levy was one of those with Patterico and Allah and even Ace, that asked us to be 'charitable' to what Obama has proposed. How well has that worked out. Sarah among all the candidates, has shown respect for the office, no disrespect to the man, but aggressive disagreement with his policies; specially on those that affect her state directly; the stimulus, energy exploration, missile defense, the auto heist, and the life issue. She is following the Reagan strategy as outlined by Noemie Emerie in the Standard, the cool, calm voice of dissent against policies that have no good intent.
Dear Maintstream Media,
I hate your stinkin guts.
You make me vomit.
Love,
Alfalfa
Ennealogic I was going to ignore you but when someone comes into a site like this with a clear agenda I can't shut up.
I know what you are trying to do and it isn't going to work here. Tell your masters they need to come up with a better boogey man then Michael Reagan ok.
Don't worry about Enn...he or she is one of the few people in West Virginia who like Barack Obama. They really hate his guts in that state as evidenced by the results on November 4th. West Virginians tend to only vote for patriotic Americans.
We are wondering the same about you Enn...is OB, Diva, Immoral Majority, Mudflats...people you admire? I have never seen such vile comments as there is on those sites. You never see that kind of talk here about others. Most of the bloggers are off in outer space when it comes to reality.
This is a big to do about nothing. Sarah recognized her info twice...How many times do we need to repeat it.
Hmmm...doesn't OB..laud J. Wright and others and only when it became an issue did he throw them under the bus. I doubt seriously if Sarah agrees with everything Reagan says or everything most any person says...so what. She was honoring his father as much as him. End of conversation. This is so petty...I can't be bothered.
I have a question:
Sarah mentions Newt Gingrich for the first time at 1:59 on the 1st video.
However, I am having a difficult time her mentioning him the second time. Does anyone know then Sarah mentions Newt Gingrich’s name again?
Any response will be appreciated.
It would be a good idea that readers know the timing of when Sarah brings up Newt Gingrich’s name.
Ennealogi ,
Tell the truth, come on DivaPigLit.
Hey, Ennealogic:
Why don't you go step outside the box and take your condescending smart-ass remarks with you? Honestly, I prefer the trolls who don't try to hide behind some holier than thou concern and just spew their venom outright. You are a fraud and a lame one at that. In case you haven't noticed, this isn't "Converatives4MichaelReagan". Who cares what he said or didn't say? And why the hell do you care if anyone here agrees with him or not? Why don't you go concern yourself with something else and quit taking up space here?
Everyone should take a walk and get a good night's sleep. The ration seems to have been overtaken by divisiveness.
Then the Reverend Wright issue is petty. Then the pallin' around with "terrorists" issue is petty too.
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Only if you ignore their years of close, personal friendship.
Didn't Obama get the title for one of his books from a Rev. Wright sermon?
Is Sarah going to name her book after a Michael Reagan speech?
I'm very concerned about this issue. I'll be waiting for your response.
Hefmier:
At the 5:09 mark, although at the 3:28 she says something to the effect that "this is the good part" which could be an implicit reference to Newt again or she was simply referring to Reagan.
She cited her source. How can she have plagiarized when she vited her source?
You trig truthers have to the count of ten before I throw you out.
Great going RAM for posting those updates.
Betsy said on the Open Thread:
"I was reading Eddie Burke's message over at his twitter. Here is the following messages he put in:
Did Dennis Zaki have auth 2 record Gov. Palin's Mike Reagan speech he sold 2 CNN? More on this 2 morrow show.
someone said: thanks for the re-post. It appears he did not hav perm to record. He told staff he was frm CNN. Was he there on bhalf of CNN.
It should be really interesting to hear this tomorrow on Eddie Burke's show."
My reply to Betsy on the Open Thread:
"And so the plot thickens. Was this "the iceberg" Zaki has been hinting at?
It looks like he may have broken several laws including copyright infringement, missappropriation and libel in the process of his hysterical attempts to destroy Sarah Palin down. There may even be a conspiracy afoot because Dunn may have said he got his info from AK blogs.
There was a troll hinting at this yesterday on C4P - how could the troll have known before Dunn's article printed? C4P - Do you have that troll's IP address?
Time for real investigative work to be done. A big investigative gun like O'Reilly, Greta and even Hannity would love to jump on this story. Beck is another great option but he is on a comedy tour now so I don't know how much he is doing with his TV show.
It may be getting close to the time when lawsuits and restraining orders will need to be filed against these bloggers and ankle biters who are engaging in this political harassment campaign. Time to add to Sarah's Legal Fund."
Ok, someone at HA posted this link to a NYT article about Obama "lifting" from Deval Patrick. Notice how the author gently tosses the matter aside, distinguishing it from what Joe Biden did, although Obama did not mention Patrick's name. Should people start making a lot more noise about Palin's speech, this article needs to be thrown right back at them.
oops...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/weekinreview/24greenberg.html?_r=1
(how did I forget that?)
Name That PDSer!
Clue: This type of PDSer is always on the alert for anything Governor Palin says. When she speaks everything stops, and they cup their hands behind their ears, and their eyes get wide. Nothing she says is right, or good enough, or said in the right way, or with the right accent.
Answer: This is the E.F. Hutton PDSer. Also believes Joe Biden is a credible speaker, and is not a gaffe machine. They also apparently believe every word Nancy Pelosi utters.
Hello Toki,
I have yet to hear anyone hear support or endorse Michael Reagan.
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It's quite simple.
No one ever has, or ever will care about anything Michael Reagan says/does. The only reason people give him the time of day is because of who his daddy was.
He is a human shadow.
Totally irrelevant to the world.
/Rocket Science
What's Michael Reagan running for?
The silliest tempest in a teapot, evah. Sarah pays tribute to people with great ideas (Reagan,Churchill,
some mentioned John Bunyan, the Book of Esther.) Lincoln, but says it in a fresh voice. She is well read but not on the soul deadening pablum that passes for much of todays media. Newt isn't going to complain, when's the last time he had something to say, that wasn't cringeworthy; yes calling Obama
a dictator, and vacilating on Sotomayor is not helpful
I am not fond of using other examples (i.e.Biden) to justify -
Two wrongs make a right? If others do it, then it's ok for Sarah Palin? Interesting ethics you have there. A better defense is that Sarah mentioned Newt twice, and the implication was that she was quoting him. But pointing out that others are doing worse just does not do it for me (with all due respect).
Tasha,
Read the article. I pointed out repeatedly that she cited Gingrich.
Are you purposely trying to be obtuse or are you just stupid?
LOL!
This is too good.
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Ennealogic said...
Given that you don't care who Michael Reagan is, does that mean you don't care who Sarah Palin endorses and encourages and praises?
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When that someone is Michael Reagan, yeah, I don't care. Mike isn't running for any public office. He's just a failed talk show host. He makes a living giving speeches about how awesome his dad was. He is...
irrelevant!
And BTW, Sarah wasn't there for Michael Reagan. She was there to honor his dad.
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Ennealogic said...
Sounds to me like you are willing to give Sarah Palin a "pass" for her support of someone who thinks it is a good idea to stuff a hand grenade up a baby's behind and pull the pin.
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You know what. You're right. While she was praising Ronnie, she should have took a break and said.
"And by the way, Micheal, you're a huge asshole."
Really put him in his place.
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Ennealogic said...
Sorry, that's what it sounds like to me.
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Sorry you're addicted to freon fumes.
Wow.
You just huff that shit right in, don't you?
Toki, were you up in arms about Reverend Wright? If so, why? He wasn't running for anything.
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Was Sarah mentored by Micheal Reagan?
If I remember correctly, Wright was Obama's mentor for many years.
That was the the whole problem with Wright, fool.
Bat shit crazy preachers are a dime-a-dozen. Bat shit preachers who mentor President's are a rarity.
Bye troofers. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Awwwww
I had her on the ropes, Rocks!
A bit harsh, Toki, with the language, but warranted. You have part of it.Wright, twenty year Black Liberation mentor to Obama's family. Castro and Qaddafi annual Anti Zionist coffee clatch colleague along with the likes of Farrakhan, spreader of vile conspiracies involving AIDS, the CIA. regurgitator of the self hating memes that we 'deserved 9/11'.
I had posted this on the Sunday Open Thread also.
I was reading Eddie Burke's message over at his twitter. Here is the following messages he put in:
Did Dennis Zaki have auth 2 record Gov. Palin's Mike Reagan speech he sold 2 CNN? More on this 2 morrow show.
someone said: thanks for the re-post. It appears he did not hav perm to record. He told staff he was frm CNN. Was he there on bhalf of CNN.
It should be really interesting to hear this tomorrow on Eddie Burke's show.
Oh yes, we all expect speeches given by public figures to be completely original...Maybe we should go back to Martin Luther King Jr.'s I Have a Dream speech and blast him for not specifying that the allusions he employed were from the (gasp!) Holy Bible!!!
Sarah Palin Rocks:
I didn't realized you had posted my message from the Open Thread to here until after I had posted it here myself. Thank you for doing that for me.
I hope Eddie B. contacts CNN and finds out if he was doing it on their behalf. Even if he was recording on their behalf he should need to show a contract for recording it. I doubt if he did it for CNN, because CNN has not shown it and why would they have it done if they didn't plan on using it.
This looks like a fraud thing to me.
Sarah probably needs to have her attorney look into this and file a
a suit against who ever was doing this without the proper contract and/or permission.
Wasn't the troll named Patrick that was here a few nights ago saying Palin was going to be dust on Sunday night. This is what he was talking about I bet.
ErichNTejas,
Thanks for responding to my inquiry. It is acknowledged, appreciated and my question has been answered. :^)
Juju,
No it isn't....it's the same thing that Grphyen and Zaki have been talking about for two months. The "iceberg" that is....Gryphen must have led his people to believe that something would happen this weekend. Gryphen trying to find new ways to save face because the weekend is now over.
Anyone believe that he had permission "from Sarah Palin herself"? I don’t.
Oh my what next? You gonna demand to see Dennis' Birth Certificate?
The only way Biden can make any sense is to use other peoples' words!!!
They don't have anything, they never did, "she's as clean, as the wind driven snow" . She arose out of the wreckage of the Bill Allen affair, which seems like something like Salem, but the accuser never suffered any consequences. I'm still dumfounded about it, one of his son's horses won the Kentucky Derby. Much like Mr. Potter, who seized control of the town when the banks failed; who does that sound like?(the FRank Capra analogies come easy)she was like George Bailey, she could not be bought. The Atlantic soiled itself with Sullivan's delusions,
Troopergate was a farce, frankly it's dangerous that twit, Wooten is still on the job.the big hub bub about travel, she took Piper to a woman's conference Piper '44. The wardrobe matter, totally legal, McCain wrote the law after all; best money spent in the campaign.
Ok...let me ask this question. I don't believe Sarah plagiarized. However, assuming I am wrong. So what? Wouldn't Newt be the one "hurt" and therefore, wouldn't he have to be the one to press the matter? I just can't believe Newt would ever do that. So isn't this just another stupid hype by the Palin haters?
Why is all that rant against Michael Reagan. Michael is just keeping his dad ideals alive like good son he is. Michael is adopted but even when he does not shares the biological DNA from daddy, he has the courage to stand for conservative values and support real conservative candidates.
His complete support for Sarah makes him a real leader who know who is the ONE that can defeat the false messiah.
Michael seems like a nice guy. Leave him alone.
Freight said...
Oh my what next? You gonna demand to see Dennis' Birth Certificate?
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We don't allow Trig Truthers or Birth Certificate Truthers here. Watch yourself, troofer.
Zaki didn't have Gov. Palin's permission. He's a lying sack of horse dung. And he might be in big trouble.
Just an FYI:
The Trig Truther named "Ennealogic" has been banned for life for sending me a troofer email and for being an overall piece of rat filth.
If you see him pop up again on this blog, inform the editors immediately (editors@conservatives4palin.com) and his comments will be deleted.
Thank you, Dennis.
Here's Van Flein:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hfuNA2zPlVoey_xJQ9CDcpGcZ8LwD98MAA1G0
"It is abundantly clear in context, and even in subcontext, that the overview of President Reagan's legacy was attributed to Newt Gingrich," Palin's lawyer, Thomas Van Flein, said.
"Far from 'lifting' or plagiary, this is proper attribution in a political speech," Van Flein said. "The audience was made aware that Mr. Gingrich wrote about President Reagan's legacy, and Gov. Palin attributed her paraphrasing to Mr. Gingrich expressly and did so at the beginning and at the end of the paraphrasing."
I don't care if the guy could videotape or not. I get to see the speech, that's all right with me.
I wish sarah would SUE that a-hole
Geoff Dunn is a lying sack of Dog mess.
Newsflash: Governor Palin is not your typical Republican! She will fight back!
Lots of people are going to have teeth popping out of their heads like Chiclets, if they keep messing with her! Then she will smile, ever so politely, and watch you scurry away. And they never see it coming.
I like a bowl of popcorn and a Mountain Dew while I watch.
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My thanks to the C4P family. Your informative comments & humor keep me going. Special thanks to Nancy & RAM
I saw the video of the speech and it is a really an impressive speech!
Substance as well as posture.
Gov.Palin is looking very strong ,relax and convincing in that speech; you can see that she is speaking from her heart.
Its Good to see Gov Palins legal fund being put to good use. Maybe a few well placed lawsuits against some of the haters in the media and blogsphere might encourage them to think again before posting their vile rants and disturbingly biased hit pieces about Gov Palin.
Apparently Dennis Zaki had permission from Palin's "people" to document the introductory remarks. According to Linda Kellen, there are witnesses to this.
What, exactly, is "a pile of money"?
Just went to twitter. Jake Tapper is a jerk. So is Allahpundit.
Gosh, if Linda the Blue Beagel says he had permission, it must be true.
She has time tomorrow to post a copy of the permit. Or maybe a statement from someone in authority
wisetrog, Jake Tapper is the single reporter left on the scene with even a shred of integrity.
John Doe, probably. I had high hopes for him but you should see his twitter today. he's as obsessed and obtuse as the rest of them when it comes to Palin.
OTOH, Ben Smith is suddenly sensible. I am thinking Palin courting him got paid off a little bit. Maybe Tapper is angling for an invitation too. Jerks all of them.
I stand by what I wrote above. A number of video people were approached at the same time. Whatever your animosity toward Ms. Kellen, I doubt her account of the permission discussion is inaccurate.
BTW in what part of the speech did Gov. Palin mention Gingrich's co-author of the remarks she laced throughout the speech - Craig Shirey?
Anyone fantasizing a lawsuit over false claims or defamation or whatever on this needs to have a word with Mr. Shirley before getting too pumped up.
Ok lets settle this once and for all. I think Sarah and her haters should battle this out in a reality show called "Survivor - Alaska" No need to vote people off. The last one alive wins.
When Joe Biden ripped off Neil Kinnock's speech, did he credit Kinnock's speech writer? Or just rip them both off?
Philip Munger, maybe you should read proper etiquette of referencing before you make a comment. I'd suggest Harvard referencing guide.
If an article is written by more than one author, you don't have to reference them all. Mentioning the first one or even one of the many is sufficient. Particularly, when it is vocal material like a speech.
It is clear that Sarah read out a chunk from the article with proper attribution and then repeated the attribution for some other point she uses later. She quotes from Newt, she paraphrases Newt, she doesn't plagiarize Newt.
I am totally ashamed that a journalist like Tapper is waiting to pounce on Sarah at the slightest provocation. "If this charge was applied to Obama, why can't we say the same thing about Sarah" is not an appropriate standard for journalism. I am amazed that he went as far as asking Newt for a response.
BTW, did Sarah try to defuse Newt's ego by giving him that much space in her speech? Looks like that to me but if anything NRSC sure blew a hole into that rapprochement. If Newt is a classy guy, he'll wave this off but I hope he won't descend into madness for the sake of ambition.
Phil Munger is going to produce witnesses? That oughta be something. I'm still waiting for him to produce witnesses who were with him 12 years ago when he heard Palin talk about dinosaurs and lizards walking the earth.
Nobody heard this fabulous story but Progressive Phil Munger.
Dinos and lizards walking the earth? I saw that just the other day on the "Land of the Lost" marathon!
Palin plagiarizes Sid and Marty Kroft!!!!!!!11111!!!
Don't know if the Sleestak are dinosaurs or lizards, but I wouldn't mess with 'em, that's for sure.
JohnDoe@30Below,
It isn't up to me to produce witnesses to the news people conference at the PAC last wednesday. I was invited to be there, but chose not to attend.
Re my June 1997 talk with then-Mayor Palin, we were alone.
Why would she have believed differently then than about 17 out of 20 members of the church she was a member of, regarding creationism and evolution? What she told me then was from her heart, and reflected the realm of belief friends of mine in the Wasilla AOG then also reflected.
It would have been more remarkable had she said something other than what she stated, wouldn't it?
"Zaki didn't have Gov. Palin's permission. He's a lying sack of horse dung. And he might be in big trouble."
He had permission, there are witnesses from Channel 11, Channel 2 and the organizer.
I think you may need to change your assessment of who might be the one in trouble and who is actually a "lying sack of horse dung."
Thankful as I am to Dennis for taping this for us, I also found time to visit the youtube page with his outrageous headline and sprinkle a little truth into the comments section. The general populace who sees that headline isn't going to know the any better. My comments may be deleted, but who knows.
Celtic Diva,
I don't care that he taped it. I'm glad he did. We get to see it now. Now, please take your tin foil hat and troll somewhere else.
Philip Munger said...
Re my June 1997 talk with then-Mayor Palin, we were alone.
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Oh, yes, of course you were alone. Naturally. No witnesses. Just you and Sarah Palin, and she poured out her heart to you and shared all of her "Dominionist secrets" about how she and Rick Warren are going to take over the country and turn it into Margaret Atwood's "The Handmaid's Tale".
Munger, who do you think you're fooling? Perhaps you've convinced yourself that your lies are true. That's known to happen to people who invent stories. Over time they come to believe their own fabrications.
You're a pathetic little fool.
But feel free to stop by anytime. You and Linda amuse us.
This whole non-story was to deflect from the Amazing few days she has had.
Axelrod is better then I thought
when you got nothing lie anyway..
If newt has any stones he will slam this bullcrap.
Ah, it feels good to have a fight again. Things were going too smoothly there for awhile.
Bring it on.
AKReport, you're so right. the crappy thing is they found out that Newt wrote the said article because Sarah mentioned it. They dug up the original article and have the gall to say she plagiarized. What a load of bullcrap!
What's amazing is that many in the GOP are only too eager to throw her under the bus.
Oops, I seem to have plagiarized you, AkReport. Please forgive me!
In poker it's called raising the bet or upping the ante.
I think it's a product of the Obama war room showing their frustration that their Alinsky-type tactics have not derailed Sarah Palin's ability to raise money through SarahPAC and marginalized Sarah from the base of the GOP.
I also think this sudden avalanche of new accusations is a product of the Rasmussen daily tracking poll showing the Messiah slipping in popularity while Sarah Palin is gaining in popularity.
This situation has to be nipped in the bud.
As to the GOP establishment what it is doing is cutting off its nose to spite its face; it cannot stand the fact that a hick from Wasilla, other than Rush Limbaugh, is 100 times more popular now than the entire Republican party. RINO's want to force Sarah to quit the party, because they know that Mitt or whoever will have an easier path to the 2012 nomination if Sarah is eliminated or destroyed. This is called hardball politics.
As I stated a month ago Sarah is facing enemies on two separate fronts: Obama and his allies and the RINO's. And I see no hope of either front weakening their efforts to destroy Sarah in the near future.
Actually Sarah is facing a three front war if you include the GOP in Alaska. I don't know how the lady can stand it. Most mortals would have given in by now.
the guv's gonna be on hannity tonite.
AKReport:
You're getting your wish. Palin is on Hannity tomorrow night.
Who said she didn't have the timing down perfectly?
Someone contact Gov.Palin that she needs to sue Dennis Zaki and CNN for illegally taping and publicizing the speech. That constitutes copyright infringement and theft of intellectual property.
Why Hannity? Bill O'Reilly will be throwing a snit now because he was bypassed. I am so glad we're going to get a new interview and hear Sarah unfiltered. Sean, ask some substantial questions. Be fair but tough. Sarah can only benefit from that.
Fox News is advertising SARAH PALIN
SPEAKS OUT! from BLASTING OBAMA'S POLICIES to FUTURE WITHIN GOP
GUEST: GOV. SARAH PALIN
Sean gets answer in a revealing interview tonight 9P/12A on HANNITY
So set your TIVOs boys and girls!
He'll probably split the interview over next couple of days like he did Rush interview.
If it's pre-recorded then there will be clips on Hannity's radio program,also.
Well, this pretty much confirms that she isn't going to the NRSC dinner and instead using the time to go on Hannity. Good call.
I hope she uses the time to give one tight slap to the GOP. She just needs to something to the effect that there is "a big movement within the GOP to sideline, marginalize conservatives."
Go Sarah!
Please, not another split interview! I hope her people put an end to this. She never looks good, nobody ever looks good in an interview that's spliced and chopped up.
There is a reason I donated to defense fund. This is it.
This idiot actually recorded the video where the Governor is citing her source and then is dumb enough to claim, "no she didn't".
Anybody with half a brain and a pair of ears that work can hear and now see that Palin did indeed give Gingrich credit.
This is a non-story; like the bogus ethic complaints.
Those Palin-haters are running out of ammo; so now they are throwing stones at Gov.Palin
Go and see the video; Gov.Palin gave a great speech!
The more people will see the video the better.
RAM, why is this troofer moron posting here again?
I hope takes the family on a tour of the White House. A picture of her coming out the front, which is where most tours exit would be a great desktop background.
See ya'll later!
Patrick
Be good!
I'd like to see Geoffrey Dunn get his assed sued but good. He's been a terrible liar for months now. Sue him personally, along with Arrianna Huffington and her Huffington Post. That would be good.
Gingrich himself should speak up, or risk losing what little support he has among the grassroots.
Sarah on Hannity?
Whoo hoo! More Sarah!
Patrick.....you're an idiot.
Uffda,
I can't find any information about her being on Hannity. Does anyone have a link?
Doug,
Don't ask me, ask baboonking. I was just about to start looking it up myself.
You know it occurs to me since. I'll be watching Sarah, but taping the Closer, Brenda Lee Johnson. The courtly Southern accent, the manners, the whirlof hyperactivity,
the way she pawns the hapless suspect with a smile.
She is all that,Techno, that's why we will stick by her, actually from the Fagan comments, it looks like the party back home, maybe calling a truce. I know they did the veto threat, but they should
know by now, thwy can't bluff her.
My, my, what a beautiful (well, rainy here) day for some words from the Iron Lady of Britain:
"I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left."
"If my critics saw me walking over the Thames they would say it was because I couldn't swim."
"If you just set out to be liked, you would be prepared to compromise on anything at any time, and you would achieve nothing. "
"If you want something said, ask a man; if you want something done, ask a woman. "
Uffda,
OK, I'll keep looking.
Oh, Doug.
Further up, FredHeadbill said that Fox News was advertising it in teasers or something that Sarah would be on Hannity tonight. I should go watch Fox.
OK, I'll watch Fox. I looked on their website and found nothing though.
I just e-mailed RAM as per her request when this trolls show up. Patrick I hope your days are No. on C4P.
Doug,
Palin is listed on the http://www.foxnews.com/
Scroll down, it is on the right.
Oh by the way RAM good job.
Don't worry "Gov. we have your back" now. (C4P t-shirt slogan).
sorry for the confusion guys. i should have mentioned that i saw the teaser on foxnews :)
oh and hannity was at the ighl event yesterday with the guv so maybe thats how he got the scoop:
http://sarahs-accomplishments.blogspot.com/2009/06/governor-palin-receives-iglh-award-for.html
Just got this on my FoxNews feed:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/08/palin-accused-lifting-gingrich-article/comments/
And it includes a response from Palin's lawyer.
Personally, I'm more bothered by the FoxNews not even giving her any coverage but bare seconds over any of her events over the weekend. I know that the media wasn't told about a lot of them in advance, but it's not like their own local affiliates haven't been covering these things. They pick up news feeds all the time. Are you telling me 20,000+ people gathering for a parade isn't news?
Yay! I see it on Fox!
I'll have to tape it though. Man, I wish we could all have a viewing party other than just the comments section. But I guess it'll have to do. I'll be viewing it vicariously through you guys.
BevBB,
I know. Fox is kinda like the Republican Party sometimes. They're a little slow.
VO just deleted Patrick's comment.
I for one am glad Sarah is using my Trust Fund donation to give her lawyer "sic 'em" orders on this plagiarism hoax.
I am so tired of these papers and online news outlets just making stuff up and posting it and not having anyone call them on it.
Thank you Sarah. It is going to just get worse so you need to be tough and slap this crap down ASAP.
You need to threaten and follow through on suing people for this stuff.
They are wimps and will back down if you are tough. As long as you do nothing they will continue and get worse.
I am so happy that Sarah has her lwyer involved in this.
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