Monday, June 29, 2009

Is Jay Ramras Invested in AGIA’s Failure? Audio from the Bob & Mark Show with Comments from Begich; UPDATE: RAM vs. Ramras on Eddie Burke



Rena Delbridge’s article last week in the Fairbanks News-Miner contained this interesting quote from Rep. Jay Ramras (R-Fairbanks, who, by the way, once made a sexist “joke” about Gov. Palin):

Regardless of when the state starts talking with producers, Rep. Jay Ramras, R-Fairbanks, said Gov. Sarah Palin has created a Gordian knot that places her exactly where former Gov. Frank Murkowski was — negotiating tax deals with oil companies.

Worse, he said, is the current alignment. Exxon was the least flexible in negotiating a low tax and is now within the administration through its partnership with TransCanada, Ramras said. Meanwhile the most “elastic” producers, BP and ConocoPhillips, are boxed out.

“We seem to have wandered a million miles away from the open and transparent Governor Palin ran under,” Ramras said.

He advocates a mediator who can gather the producers and the state in one room to hammer out terms. [emphasis added].

Oh, where to begin...

First, you will note that Ramras, who purports to be a Republican, is demanding that the government intervene in a private sector deal. Apparently, in Ramras’ world, allowing the private sector to do what it does best is not “open and transparent.” Is he now demanding that the government invade the board rooms of private corporations?

Second, you’ll notice the absurdity of his statement that “negotiating tax deals with oil companies” somehow means that the state is backtracking. No, negotiating was always part of the timeline. It’s part of the process. It’s as if he’s saying, “our travel plans are totally in limbo because we need to pack our bags.” Packing your bags is part of traveling. Negotiating fiscal certainty on taxes with producers is part of building a pipeline.

Finally, I would like to draw your attention to Ramras’ praise of BP and ConocoPhillips’ rival pipeline project, Denali. The AGIA license, you will recall, is held by TransCanada, which has recently partnered with Exxon Mobil to construct the large-diameter natural gas pipeline to the Lower 48. As Delbridge noted in her article:

The other two major producers, BP and ConocoPhillips, are pursuing a line called Denali — The Alaska Gas Pipeline.

Though Ramras voted in favor of AGIA, he seems keen on praising the rival pipeline. Why would he be undermining AGIA? Is it an honest difference of opinion?

Take a look at page 10 of Ramras’ financial disclosure form.

Ramras purchased 3,000 shares of BP on 8/18/08. They were reported to be worth $172,388.95.

Take a look at Ramras’ campaign donations. He got $1000 each from BP and ConcocoPhillips (and more from individuals associated with both companies -- see the update below).

During the last legislative session, Ramras introduced legislation that was aimed at undermining AGIA. If AGIA tanks, then BP and ConocoPhillips’ Denali pipeline project is the obvious winner for a future natural gas pipeline to the Lower 48.

His legislation appears to be a clear conflict of interest. He has a lot of money in BP. If BP and ConocoPhillips’ Denali pipeline beats the TransCanada Exxon pipeline, Ramras stands to make a lot more money.

BP and ConocoPhillips announced their rival Denali pipeline on April 8, 2008. Though Ramras voted for the AGIA legislation in May 2007, he voted against awarding the AGIA license to TransCanada on July 22, 2008. On August 18, 2008, Ramras purchased his BP stock. I wonder why?

Why isn’t anyone else interested in this? The self-described “ethics crusaders” in Alaska seem more interested in Sarah Palin’s jacket. A natural gas pipeline is the future of Alaska. Sarah Palin’s jacket is nothing.

According to the Legislative Ethics Act [AS 24.60.030 (g)]:

Unless required by the Uniform Rules of the Alaska State Legislature, a legislator may not vote on a question if the legislator has an equity or ownership interest in a business, investment, real property, lease, or other enterprise if the interest is substantial and the effect on that interest of the action to be voted on is greater than the effect on a substantial class of persons to which the legislator belongs as a member of a profession, occupation, industry, or region. [emphasis added]

AS 24.60.990 (b) states:

A person has a substantial interest in legislative, administrative, or political action if the person... will be directly and substantially affected financially by a legislative, administrative, or political action in a way that is greater than the effect on a substantial class of persons to which the person belongs as a member of a profession, occupation, industry, or region; [emphasis added]

By owning such a large value of BP stock, Ramras’ legislative action is arguably “greater” for him personally than any other “class of persons” (other than fellow shareholders) to which he belongs, such as members of a profession, occupation, industry or region. In other words, he can draft legislation which will benefit his home town of Fairbanks as a whole and in the process benefit his own restaurant business. And he can sponsor legislation that would benefit all hotel owners, himself included. However, with his considerable ownership of BP stock, it’s questionable whether he can vote on any oil and gas issue that could impact BP.

AS 24.60.990 (9) defines “legislative action” as:

...conduct relating to the development, drafting, consideration, sponsorship, enactment or defeat, support or opposition to or of a law, amendment, resolution, report, nomination, or other matter affected by legislative action or inaction; [emphasis added]

The introduction of a bill is therefore “legislative action” as defined in the Ethics Act. And, under the Act, the appearance of impropriety or a “conflict of interest” is an ethics issue.

AS 24.60.010 states:

The legislature finds that... a fair and open government requires that legislators and legislative employees conduct the public's business in a manner that preserves the integrity of the legislative process and avoids conflicts of interest or even appearances of conflicts of interest...[emphasis added]

All of this was readily available in the public record. We report, you decide.

UPDATE by RAM: Ramras’ other campaign contributors are:

Paul Laird, former BP spokesperson, current head of the Alliance of all oil and gas producers and their support

James Udelhoven, owner of a gas services company whose biggest clients are ConocoPhilips and BP

Richard Solie, a lobbyist for the Denali pipeline

James Bowles, President of ConocoPhilips

There is an obvious connection to BP or ConocoPhilips in all but one of the donations he received from the oil and gas industry. (The only other donation in this category was from Flint Hills Resources).

Coincidence? You decide.

UPDATE II by RAM: KWHL's Bob & Mark radio show discussed this article with Sen. Begich, and I called in later to discuss it with them. (Note: The first minute of my part was cut off, so the audio in the second clip starts with my explanation of how I came to write the article.) Take a listen:



UPDATE by Daniel: R. A. Mansour was on the Eddie Burke Show earlier this afternoon to discuss this article with Rep. Jay Ramras. Take a listen:



Here is the rest of the audio of Eddie's show today.

Update by JR: So, basically Ramras' argument is this:

1. C4P is "anti-Semitic" and therefore the facts presented above are not accurate. Ramras engages in a classic strawman argument here (and if the contributors to this site were anti-Semitic, why would we support somebody as pro-Israel as Governor Palin?).

2. An "outsider" did the research and reported on the story and therefore the facts presented above are not accurate. This is another strawman by Ramras. What do the facts of the report above have to do with where the writer is located? Do you take de Tocqueville less seriously because he was not American?

3. Ramras is a "citizen legislator" and therefore he does not have to live up to the same ethical standards as those in the executive branch. He fails to realize that there is a Legislative Ethics Act that he must live up to.

4. Ramras purchased the stock as a day trade and held onto the stock because he could not sell it for a profit. Ramras refused to acknowledge that by introducing anti-AGIA legislation and criticizing AGIA publicly, he was, in fact, increasing the chances that AGIA would fail; which would, in turn, increase the chances of the Denali project succeeding. If Denali succeeds, the value of Ramras' stock (BP) would increase.

5. On AGIA: Ramras claimed that AGIA encouraged the attraction of "weak applicants" to construct the pipeline. Ramras then agreed with host Eddie Burke that TransCanada, the winning applicant, is a great pipeline company. Ramras claims that BP and Conoco have been "boxed out," but says that Exxon is the best oil company in the world. Exxon (the best oil company) and TransCanada (the best pipeline company) have joined together on the AGIA project. So, what's the problem again, sir?

6. Ramras' strategy: He believes that if you speak really fast and really loud, you will win a debate.

7. Ramras' child-like behavior: Ramras referred to C4P as "creepy and shadowy." Ramras also referred to Eddie Burke as Governor Palin's "pimp." Through this comment, Ramras basically called Governor Sarah Palin a hooker.

Stay classy, Jay.

UPDATE III by RAM: I am grossly offended by Ramras' suggestion that this website has ever written anything remotely anti-Semitic. He based this ridiculous and offensive slander on an inside joke that had nothing whatsoever to do with Jews or Judaism.

As noted in
"C4P: Who We Are and What We Stand For":

Some of you may be wondering what our numerous references to "bagels" are all about.

Our motto "Buy your own damn bagels!" dates back to an
Associated Press article from January 30, 2009, in which Rep. David Guttenberg (D-Fairbanks) lamented:

"There were days when she walked around the building with (her daughter) Piper handing out bagels. I think those days are gone," he added with a touch of wistfulness.

"Buy your own damn bagels!" has become our shorthand for: "Man up! Grow up! Stop whining. Stop being an ankle-biter. Stop being a big-spending taxpayer mooch. Sarah Palin is the governor of your state, not your mother."

Ramras is throwing whatever mud he can at us because he can not dispute anything that I wrote. He bought a significant amount of stock, and he held onto it and introduced legislation that would benefit him financially because of the stock he held. He claims that it was no big deal. Well, then why didn't he do the right thing and sell the stock? Sen. Begich did.

He also makes the absurd claim that the Denali pipeline's success would not benefit him. That is utterly ridiculous. If the Denali pipeline succeeds against the AGIA backed pipeline, then BP's stock will certainly go up.

Earlier this month, an article in the Houston Chronicle by Tom Fowler and Kristen Hays
noted:

ExxonMobil is in discussions with TransCanada to help it build a massive pipeline to move natural gas from the North Slope of Alaska to U.S. markets, according to a source familiar with the deal. The move could undermine a competing effort by ConocoPhillips and BP. [emphasis added]

Morningstar Stock Analyst Notes stated on June 12, 2009:

The partnership of Exxon and TransCanada is also likely in our eyes to scuttle the competing Denali project of BP and ConocoPhillips. Instead of going forward with Denali, we see BP and ConocoPhillips as more likely to join with Exxon, with whom they are also partnered in Point Thompson, to build a single pipeline that has the backing of the state government. This news does not impact our fair value estimates for any of these companies at this time. The next big hurdle for the Alaska Gas Pipeline won't come until 2014, when the project expects to receive approval from the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission. We'll continue to hold off counting possible cash inflows from the project until we're more comfortable that we'll live to see gas flows from the project, though we do include project development costs in our near-term capital expenditure estimates for TransCanada. [emphasis added]

It sure sounds to me as if there are clear winners and losers in which pipeline succeeds.

Ramras essentially admitted that he bought the stock, was hoping for a quick gain, but is holding it until the value goes up. That tells you three things:

1) The purchase was itself significant to him financially because he refused to sell it at a loss.

2) His promotional efforts for BP could in fact and would in fact lift the value of those shares substantially. If the Denali Project is successful, the share prices of the owner companies will increase dramatically.

3) He bought an equity position. This is not one stock out of 1,000 for an index fund. This is an individual equity stake.

The only argument he offered, other than to slander our website, was to shout, "You are not from here!" The FBI and Department of Justice team investigating Alaska politicians were also "not from there." Is Ramras arguing for the days of "anything goes in our legislature"?

I am an American who is interested in energy independence for my country. Alaska's natural gas pipeline to the Lower 48 is a crucial component in achieving that. Jay Ramras' behavior in undermining AGIA affects me just as it affects Alaskans.


UPDATE by VO: Just an offhand observation, but when I hear Jay Ramras complaining that this issue is insignificant, I'm reminded that he was complaining in legislative session that Governor Palin's wear of a jacket with an Arctic Cat logo was "provocative". But he always has been good at hypocrisy regarding the Governor - let's not forget the issue of legislative absences.

UPDATE IV by RAM: I am disgusted by the bias in this article at KTUU. I was interviewed by Jason Moore, but he never allowed me to rebut Ramras' absurd and slanderous accusation that this website is anti-Semitic. The article also fails to mention that Ramras introduced legislation during the last session that was aimed at undermining AGIA.

Is this the kind of "sweep it all under the carpet" reporting we can expect from the Alaskan media?


I did find this part of the KTUU article fascinating:

According to Ramras he currently holds 5,000 shares of BP stock, and says after the story was posted he went out and bought 5,000 shares of TransCanada stock to avoid any appearance of impropriety.

That right there is an admission that there was impropriety in owning so many shares of BP.

UPDATE V by RAM: This is the email I just sent to KTUU anchor, Jason Moore, who interviewed me earlier today:

Mr. Moore,

You did not get a response from me on this absurd allegation from Jay Ramras that my website is "anti-Semitic". You also misstated the purpose of my website.

Your piece in KTUU was absurdly unfair and biased.

I'd like a correction to the article removing Ramras' slanderous accusation that we are anti-Semitic.

His email address is jmoore@ktuu.com. Please email him and ask for a retraction.

This sort of slander should not be allowed to stand. We are being unfairly attacked for simply pointing out facts that are available in the public record.

VO: Better yet, e-mail his boss, KTUU News Director Steve McDonald, at stevem@ktuu.com.

UPDATE VI by RAM: I am hoping that Jason Moore will correct the story for his 10:00 p.m. broadcast. This is the second email I sent him:

It is outrageous that you allowed Jay Ramras to make allegations of anti-Semitism against us without giving us a chance to refute. It is completely ridiculous. We've posted audio of Ramras on the Eddie Burke show, where he states that his anti-semitism claim originates in a joke on our site about bagels.

The joke had nothing to do with Jews and everything to do with
this ADN article in which Rep. Guttenberg was whining that Gov. Palin was no longer handing out bagels to legislators. It's an example of childish legislators who seem to think the governor is their Mom, and had nothing to do with anyone's religion or ethnicity.

Your article also failed to note that Ramras introduced legislation during the last legislative session that was aimed at undermining AGIA and it's licensee TransCanada.

Please help us by emailing Jason Moore and his boss, Steve McDonald, and ask that they correct their story.

Please help us defend the integrity of this website. Email Moore and McDonald.

316 comments:

john June 29, 2009 10:06 AM  

Ram:

Excellent expose. Can you submit this as an op-ed to the AK papers?

bestbud June 29, 2009 10:07 AM  

RAM another great post,

Off subject... Sarah mentions on her latest Twitter a fund to help returning soldiers pay for flights. Do you guys here at C4P know how we can donate?
Thanks DON

Debtstar June 29, 2009 10:22 AM  

How about an ethics charge against that critter?

Al B. June 29, 2009 10:24 AM  

RAM, I hope you can get this published up there.

Great work.

PEC June 29, 2009 10:28 AM  

Mayby in the Frontiersman. ADN would never print this. They are on marching orders from Axelrod to destroy Palin at all cost. RAM can send to Cockerham but I think Doughtery and Zency will not allow this to be printed. Once again they answer to Axelrod.

CharterOakie June 29, 2009 10:40 AM  

RAM, thanks for this. You and your colleagues at C4P are doing a tremendous job hitting back. Fire at will. Keep 'em on the run.

juju June 29, 2009 10:42 AM  

Maybe an ethics complaint has been filed. Aren't the legislatures covered by a law which requires ethics complaints remain confidential? We can hope at least.

howIroll June 29, 2009 10:47 AM  

RAM....this is an amazing piece of investigative journalism. I'm with everyone else--this needs to be published in either an AK publication or even a national publication if you can get anyone interested. Someone must be tied in enough with Exxon to want to expose this.

LindaW June 29, 2009 10:53 AM  

Great work, RAM! Your investigative reporting is very sharp.

LoveThatGirl June 29, 2009 10:56 AM  

Time for someone to FILE and ETHICS COMPLIANT against Rep. Jay Ramras. Apparantly he is in VIOLATION as CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
This needs to be posted in the newpapers of all towns. Local papers are usually what people read and not the major papers. I live in a small town outside Atlanta, I will NOT purchase the Atlanta Constitution. I read the local small town paper and get big news without supporting the Dem-run paper.

Bean Counter June 29, 2009 10:56 AM  

Killer piece, RAM!

Once more, our citizen journalists here at C4P are doing the job the state run media won't do.

Since this site has such increased traffic these days, maybe some respectable news outlet will pick it up and run with it, or at least do their own research using this piece as a point of departure.

LindaW June 29, 2009 10:57 AM  

Question:

Is Ramras a senator representing Fairbanks? I think if that's the case, then it's ok for him to legislate based on benefiting the district/city he is representing right?

Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks.

:)

hrh June 29, 2009 11:00 AM  

Excellent RAM. I seriously suggest submitting this to the Fairbanks Daily News Miner, www.newsminer.com, since that's Ramras's district.

At least as a Letter to the Editor?

OT, SC overturns Sotomayor on CT white policemen case.

And I just got a SarahPac fundraising email from Meg and Sarah. Did others get it or do you want me to post it?

jimr3 June 29, 2009 11:09 AM  

Now that is what investigative reporting should be.

Another great job RAM!

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hrh,

Could you please post your SarahPac email?

For whatever reason, I do not get emails from them.

ZH June 29, 2009 11:26 AM  

Great post!

This needs to be posted in the AK newspapers.

R. A. Mansour June 29, 2009 12:04 PM  

Could people please take the SarahPAC letter to the Open Thread. Not to toot my own horn, but the implications of this post is kinda more important than a mass solicitation letter.

*face palm*

Doug (formerly DB) June 29, 2009 12:07 PM  

Way to expose that idiot RAM. Does anyone know Pee-Wee's email address?

gamsbo June 29, 2009 12:20 PM  

Ram
How do we get it out the public in Alaska...I wonder if someone not from Alaska could file a complaint because Exxon is a public company...

R. A. Mansour June 29, 2009 12:24 PM  

This article has been emailed to the legislators. It's now being discussed on the Bob & Mark Show with Sen. Begich.

howIroll June 29, 2009 12:29 PM  

RAM...hehe...let us know what Baggage has to say if you can...please!

wilsonpickett June 29, 2009 12:29 PM  

RAM:

Even though it's a different aspect to Jay Ramras' character, I can't help but think about the movie poster Sinistar created when Jaybird was supposedly taking over New York City during the Alaska Seafood event.

If you ran it with this story, though, it would probably lessen the serious impact of these real, not made-up, ethics violations.

But the colorful Jaybird poster still makes me laugh every time I think of it.

Toki De La Vega June 29, 2009 12:33 PM  

Where is the renaissance man?

Where is the girl from homer?

Where is the Doctor of chilling?

Where is the Alaskan mud... thing?

I guess they're all too busy investigating the birth of year old baby, all while trying to snap up-skirt pics of said babies 45 year old mother.

Priorities.

Doug (formerly DB) June 29, 2009 12:34 PM  

I'm trying to Freep this. Something wrong with Freep's website now as far as posting but I'll try again later.

Illinois Conservative (Whitney) June 29, 2009 12:35 PM  

RAM,
Thanks for proving once again that investigative journalism is not dead!

Rosie June 29, 2009 12:36 PM  

Thanks C4P for exposing this jerk.

BettyJoBialowski June 29, 2009 12:41 PM  

RAM, you're amazing.

What makes Jay Ramras's self-dealing even more damaging, is that he did it after all the brouhaha up here with legislators being indicted and going to jail.

Doug (formerly DB) June 29, 2009 12:47 PM  

The more I think about RAM's investigative piece, the more trouble Pee-Wee would seem to be in. Can anyone imagine the ethics charges that would be leveled against Governor Palin if she had invested, say $172,388.95, in TransCanada? And those ethics complaints would have been justified. If Ramras manages to escape an ethics violation here, the voters may not be so kind in 2010. I wonder if "corrupt bastard" Mike Hawker has similar conflicts. Someone has already pointed out that Hawker's wife works for ConocoPhillips.

A June 29, 2009 12:48 PM  

Check the dates.

Questions:

When did he own BP? Did he sell some? What did he do at the time he owned it?

There is a difference between speech and votes.

Did he speak or did he vote, while owning BP?

What did he vote on while owning BP?

If he bought BP on 8.18.8, what votes were after that time? Did he still own it?

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Why buy BP on 8.18.8? Maybe because it was a good buy. A solid dividend. A new and better management team. A joint venture in Russia. Improvements in the US refinery operations and a major refinery deal in place, a huge field in the Gulf of Mexico coming on line soon, oil going to $200 (go back and look at what was being said by Boone Pickens and others, and look at futures markets), major international activities, #1 US producer of natural gas (without an Alaska pipeline), recent purchase of a big piece of a shale play in Oklahoma from Chesapeake, natural gas prices well over $10/mcf, hurricane season, and so much more.

When was the pipeline leak on the Slope which restricted BP production? From ____ until ____? Would that be a reason to buy?

This is just from memory.

And then there is AGIA. A pipeline is coming and will allow BP to sell gas that has been stranded on the Slope. That might be a huge benefit to BP.

But, wasn't the vote done?

With AGIA or Denali, BP gets a pipeline for its stranded gas.

Which is better for BP? That is hard to say. It may be that AGIA is better. They may have a similar effect.

Perhaps, because of ethics rules, Ramras did not buy BP until after the session ended. Might that be true? Did he act ethically?

A June 29, 2009 12:49 PM  

Campaign donations.

Are you serious? Are you saying that a $1000 campaign contribution from BP or COP is bribe? That it is unethical?

Is it illegal?

Do others get campaign contributions?

Saying that the two $1000 campaign contributions are unethical or involve unethical conduct strikes me as foolish. Utterly foolish.

Do you apply that consistently to all office holders?

If not, why not?

Perhaps all campaign contributions are bribes, as John McCain might say, but that view is not accepted. That is not the law. That is not the ethical standard.

Claiming that legal disclosed campaign contributions are unethical is a way to be considered unserious.

Is there something illegal or unethical about them? Really? What?

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To be serious, an accusation must be focused and correct, legally and factually.

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My judgment is that BP and COP were, and are, using Denali to push the state toward a better deal on taxes, and that their friends are helping them. If I am right, they are spending millions on this. Some might be useful if they join AGIA, some might be wasted. I think they are now talking to TransCanada about joining AGIA. They hinted at that after the XON deal. Exxon weakened BP/COP's leverage and strengthened TransCanada's. I think BP/COP badly want in on AGIA before they waste much more on Denali. But, they want a tax deal. I think all the huffing and puffing is to help BP/COP get better deals on (1) joining AGIA and (2) taxes. That it why their friends are shouting.

Expect BP/COP to join AGIA this year or next, after spending less than they announced for Denali, and contingent on a tax deal. Expect the tax deal to be consistent with what Sarah and her administration have been saying. Expect that by next year. In the meantime, expect the friends of BP/COP and the enemies of Sarah to squeal like stuck pigs. The more they squeal, the more you can be confident that Sarah, and Alaska, are winning.

BP/COP already lost the fight. They just haven't admitted it.

But BP and COP are both huge winners. AGIA is great for them. They just wanted, and want, more. They will settle for a huge win, on Sarah's terms.

Winners from AGIA include:

Alaskans
Sarah
BP
COP
XON
other gas producers known and unknown
TransCanada
US consumers
A vast army of employees that will make the pipe, move the pipe, install the pipe, manage the project, serve those people, and do a million things.
The environment. Gas is clean burning.
The US economy. The money stays in the US and Canada.


The losers:
Those who would otherwise export oil and gas and products to the US, but have a smaller market.

That is my take.

K. Carpenter June 29, 2009 12:56 PM  

A...

The problem is not necessarily the campaign donations, it is the money Ramras will be making by killing AGIA pipeline. Killing the AGIA line will send the pipeline to Denali. Yes, Ramras will become a exceedingly wealthy man.

This is about the $176 thousand dollars that he has invested in BP.

Doug (formerly DB) June 29, 2009 12:56 PM  

A.
I think the conflict is the fact that Ramras invested $172,388.95 in a company who's interests would be enhanced if AGIA falls though. That in itself is not unethical. But the fact that he has recently been actively undermining AGIA is. Especially since AGIA's demise would directly benefit his huge investment in BP. The $1000 campaign donations are not the emphasis. Again, as I stated in earlier comments, if Governor Palin had invested $172,388.95 in TransCanada, a company which will benefit from AGIA, there would be ethics complaints against her, and rightly so.

Brian Davidson June 29, 2009 1:00 PM  

look at the bright side... his investment is down nearly 20% since he bought it.

A June 29, 2009 1:00 PM  

K

The campaign contributions are mentioned in the post. Why?

I think the only serious issue is the BP stock. But "serious issue" does not mean that it is unethical, just that is is worth considering.

The campaign contribution mention makes the whole post less credible. It is a great overreach.

Doug (formerly DB) June 29, 2009 1:08 PM  

A,
You have a fair point about the $1,000 donations being insignificant in and of themselves. But again, the big deal is the $172,388.95 in BP stock. And, I think in that context, the campaign donations are worth mentioning since corporations donate to candidates expecting something in return. I would love to hear Pee-Wee try to justify his $172,388.95 in BP stock in light of his constant efforts to undermine AGIA after voting for it.

A June 29, 2009 1:08 PM  

Doug

Is BP really better off with Denali than AGIA? Was it in 2008?

How much more will BP stock go up with Denali than AGIA?

I think assumptions are being made without basis.

Look at http://www.bp.com/investorhome.do?categoryId=132&contentId=2004195

and

http://www.bp.com/sectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=9021974&contentId=7040780

and listen to the audio of their presentations since 1.1.8.

You can subscribe to BP audio on itunes, free. I have. It is interesting and educational.

Is the difference between AGIA and Denali more than a drop in the bucket for BP? I doubt it.

To say it is significant requires some heavy duty analysis.

I think a proper analysis will conclude that it is not significant to the stock price.

Is the difference to BP more than a billion? More than 10 billion?

If so it might be somewhat significant.

BP is big. Check the numbers.

http://www.bp.com/extendedgenericarticle.do?categoryId=2012968&contentId=7050800

jimr3 June 29, 2009 1:10 PM  

RAM @ 12:04

I completely agree RAM; the implications of your post are more important.

In my comment, that is why I led with, “Now that is what investigative reporting should be.”

Then in my comment, I was simply responding to hrh’s comment about the fundraiser asking her to post it since she offered and because I didn’t get the email. That’s all. Please know there was no intention on my part to purposely distract from the implications of your post. But if that is what I did, I am sorry. And again, let me say super job on this post. And I certainly do appreciate all the amazing work that you and all the other contributors here at C4P do every day.

Doug (formerly DB) June 29, 2009 1:12 PM  

A,
If it came out that Governor Palin invested $172,388.95 in TransCanada, would that result in an ethics complaint against her?

narciso June 29, 2009 1:21 PM  

He's a corrupt hack, that wealready
suspected. There's no guarantee that Denali would be able to take up the slack if the TC/Exxon AGIA compact fell apart,there may be no pipeline at all, As there hasn't been in thirty years, and this is without the canceling of the Arctic Survey, the deep water program, and the odious cap 'n trade. Without OCS and North Slope development, which hangs by a thread, the TAP falls below carrying capacity :as I recall the Governor's testimony at the InteriorDepartment hearing. If a foreign nation were doing this to us, we'd call it an act of war.

LindaW June 29, 2009 1:26 PM  

Good arguments on this thread.

Yes, $1000 in campaign contribution is a very insignificant amount coming from a huge corporation, but like Doug said, if it was revealed that Sarah holds 3000 shares of TC stock worth over $172k, there would be HUGE scrutiny over it. This is the very reason why Todd Palin had to step down from his supervisory role at BP when the Palin Admin was negotiating oil/tax issues.

R. A. Mansour June 29, 2009 1:34 PM  

jimr3, I was responding to something else. No worries. I just didn't want the thread hijacked. This is a very important issue here (again, not to sound too self-important).

The campaign contributions might not be much, but it does seem somewhat noteworthy that all but one of his oil & gas industry contributions come from BP and ConocoPhillips connections.

K. Carpenter June 29, 2009 1:36 PM  

A...

People have gone to prison for less. Just ask the VECO politicians.

Special interest money is a big deal in politics.

Clearly, Ramras is using his position as a state legislator to advance his own financial interests.

Campaign contributions are used to buy politicians all the time.

Lipstick June 29, 2009 2:00 PM  

Of course the campaign donations are important.

Good grief, if this had been Palin and a female company representative had passed her TP under the stall because she was out they would be filing an ethics charge...saying that "if your really ethical you do not do anything that can be SEEN as even slightly unethical".

Mr. "Palin looked like a walking billboard with her Artic Cat jacket on" better check for that plank in his eye before he worries about the speak in Sarah's eye.


Way to go RAM. I'm sick and tired of Sarah having one set of ideas to live up to and all the other government officals having another.

R. A. Mansour June 29, 2009 2:29 PM  

I'm going to say this one more time to the people who's comments I am deleting. Keep this thread on topic. It's a serious topic.

portlandon June 29, 2009 2:32 PM  

RAM,

You are AWESOME!!!! I am proud to call you my leader. You shine a light on these roaches, and they aren't used to it.

I believe alot of the Old time Republicans up there in Alaska HATE Sarah Palin because her popularity has attracted ALOT of unwanted attention to the old boy network. They have been getting away with it for years because the lower 48 ignored Alaska. Palin being elected and her VP nomination just opened a huge Can of RAID Ethics Roach Bomb on these creeps and THEY DON'T LIKE IT.

Mrs. Clean gets rid of dirt & grime and grease in just a minute,

Mrs. Clean will clean the whole state and every Creep thats in it.

Mrs. Clean, Mrs. Clean, Mrs. Clean!

oldnwise June 29, 2009 2:56 PM  

Ramras is representing the people of Alaska??

RIGHT!

Only if the vote, enhances his bank account.

This greedy swine needs to keep his lying trap shut on the GOV.

Again, hypocrisy at its finest, with Ramass.

How much money do you need Ramass?

Savvy business man?

Savvy Crook, with the exposed facts...

RAM...EXCELLENT reporting!

johnmd June 29, 2009 3:04 PM  

It is not just the one contribution, it's them all as a group. Whom they are from as a group and his position in their favor. Then comes the stock and his potential personal profit. Combined it stinks and calls for judical review and his resignation and criminal charges. It calls for several ethics complaints that have to be filed by Alaskans ANK kept secret so they won't be thrown out. Any Alaskan members here up to the task? What goes arround comes arround. Time to start it rolling.

manajordan June 29, 2009 3:11 PM  

Wow RAM! Good work. It will be interesting to see where this goes.

PEC June 29, 2009 3:21 PM  

Ramrock has 187000 in BP stock and didn't recuse himself from all oil votes. This is sad and indefensible. Begich may help us with this big time.
RAM - You do better investigative work in Alaska than all their Newspapers combined. Of course like in Washington expect fellow legislators to rally around him I am sure many are guilty and they will protect themselves.

PEC June 29, 2009 3:23 PM  
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PEC June 29, 2009 3:26 PM  

Oh, the Campaign contributions don't distrurb me nearly as much as the Stock. I am not going to deny anybody their right to donate to a candidate and I even expect a lot of Big Oil execs to Donate to Sarah. She may not solicit but if I was XOM I would give what I can to get Obama out. The Stock is way too much of a personal gain. This is the greed that has caused so many problems for the US.

Doug (formerly DB) June 29, 2009 4:25 PM  

I just listened to RAM's interview with Bob and Mark. One of those guys used the same analogy I did. What would happen if Governor Palin bought $172,388.95 worth of TransCanada stock? Great minds think alike...or something like that.

Doug (formerly DB) June 29, 2009 4:30 PM  

This article is now on Freep.

PEC June 29, 2009 4:35 PM  

I know what Ramras can do. Divide up his stock between XOM, TransCanada, BP and Conoco-Phillips equally. All are moneymaking industries so he will show he has no bias in the results. Of course his support for AGIA will double as well.

R. A. Mansour June 29, 2009 4:37 PM  

Doug, I had thought that you had heard the show too. But you were just thinking the same as Bob & Mark. Begich gave a good answer when he explained that he unloaded his TC stock when he was elected. That was the right thing to do.

I am very interested to hear what Ramras has to say to explain this. Bob & Mark couldn't reach him for comment.

Doug (formerly DB) June 29, 2009 4:43 PM  

RAM,
I just now heard the show. I'm thinking that if I thought of that as well as Bob and Mark, maybe others have independently thought of that as well. I did like Begich's answer and that is what Ramras and all other legislators should do. Don't most politicians put their investments in a blind trust? I guess not in Alska apparently.

I don't trust Begich. He may be saying this because he wants to replace Ramras with a Democrat. But then again, there probably wouldn't be a qualitative difference between Ramras and a Democrat.

PEC June 29, 2009 4:46 PM  

RAM- You made the Alaska Newsreader in the ADN.

PEC June 29, 2009 4:54 PM  

Oh on a side note doesn't the fact that a writer (correct me if I am wrong on your profession RAM) from California via Mich. does better investigative reporting on Alaska Politics than the TV Stations and major Newspapers in that State? Have they been so focused on the bringing down of GOV Palin that they have neglected their duties of watching over illegal activities in the legislative body? This is scary as to what is going on in the legislative body.

The Aged P June 29, 2009 5:00 PM  

RAM once again you prove how beautiful the internet is - just a few years ago people would just have to punch the wall in frustration if they knew something and the media ignored it. It does make you wonder about the value of the so called "training" journalists have. You would have thought that Rachel d'Oro of AP would have picked up on JR's statement and think "hey - just wonder why he is saying this?"....maybe AP should sack Rachel and hire RAM...who does better than d'Oro who is doing her job full time whereas RAM is just someone at her keyboard wearing pajamas....

Doug (formerly DB) June 29, 2009 5:04 PM  

PEC,
Here's the link from ADN.

http://www.adn.com/3437/story/847661.html

K. Carpenter June 29, 2009 5:17 PM  

This story is too big for even liberal news organizations in Alaska to ignore.

I do not care what side of the aisle you are on, this does not look good to either side of the political spectrum.

gamsbo June 29, 2009 5:22 PM  

RAM you are AWESOME!!!!

Rusty June 29, 2009 5:38 PM  

If Ramras wanted to invest in the oil and gas sector - without giving the appearance of a conflict of interest - he had at least three options - in addition to the blind trust option some have already mentioned.

First, he could have invested in a US oil and gas ETF (Exchange Traded Fund). This is an indexed fund that tracks all the major oil and gas firm listed on the Dow Jones Index, weighted to their relative market capitalization. There are many such funds available for not only oil and gas producers but also exploration companies, oil servicing companies, pipelines etc.. Most people chose to invest this way as it is low cost (because there is no active management) and it spreads risk while still providing a good market return for that sector.

Second, if he wanted active management, he could have invested in an oil and gas mutual fund. Unlike the passive index features of an ETF, the mutual fund manager makes daily decisions on buying or selling companies based on his/her view of the market and companies. Mutual funds have higher costs than ETF but MAY have higher returns than an indexed ETF because of the active management.

Third, if he has sufficient net wealth, he could invest in an oil and gas hedge fund. Such funds use debt leverage, derivatives and actively short stock positions to produce very high returns. They are high cost/ high risk/and high return.

So Ramras had many options availble to him if he wanted to invest in oil and gas while still avoiding any perceived conflict of interest.

Because of these options - and the tax efficiency of these funds - few people nowadays buy individual stocks. The only ones who do so are short term, or day traders, or those who think they have a "hot tip" on a company. Overall, putting this amount of money into one stock is a very strange investment strategy these days.

Doug (formerly DB) June 29, 2009 5:45 PM  

Rusty said,

"Overall, putting this amount of money into one stock is a very strange investment strategy these days."

=========

Bingo!

Al B. June 29, 2009 6:36 PM  

Heads up --

Ramras will be on the Eddie Burke show during the 3 o'clock hour (Alaska time).

CruelaDev June 29, 2009 6:41 PM  

Me thinks HE DUTH PROTEST TOO MUCH!

portlandon June 29, 2009 6:53 PM  

I don't trust Begich. He may be saying this because he wants to replace Ramras with a Democrat.

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The difference between a democrat and a Republican RINO are alphabet in nature. R or D.

Ramras is a greedy saboteur. Would Alaskans want a democrat or Ramras in that seat? Is there a difference?

CruelaDev June 29, 2009 6:54 PM  

He brags so much about "Being Alaskan"...I therefore extend Prayers to "real" Alaskans....This guy is not one of you!

Doug (formerly DB) June 29, 2009 7:01 PM  

Ramras made no sense. His argument is that he can engage in unethical behavior because he is a part-time legislator (who makes $50,000 for that part time gig, by the way) and Governor Palin can't because her position is full time. That's an interesting theory Pee-Wee.

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Patty Hewes June 29, 2009 7:03 PM  

LOL, Notice how he only countered with stupid residency attacks and he never disputed the facts in the article.

He even managed to prop up an Antisemitism smear during the segment to deflect and discredit C4P.

CruelaDev June 29, 2009 7:06 PM  

Well I guess if he is THAT ANGRY about C4P...RAM ...et all are doing something very, very RIGHT!

Doug (formerly DB) June 29, 2009 7:13 PM  

Can someone explain the anti-semitism rant Ramras engaged in?

Al B. June 29, 2009 7:15 PM  

I hope we can get a replay of that. Burke, at the top of his show, said the Ramras would be on during the 3 o'clock hour. Guess I missed it.

JeanA June 29, 2009 7:15 PM  

Ramras is definitely a dem because when they can’t back up their actions they start name calling.

Beehive June 29, 2009 7:17 PM  

Are you guys listening to this caller named Tim on Eddie Burke?

He is calling Ramras out. He says he should apologize and resign.

This is great!!

Doug (formerly DB) June 29, 2009 7:19 PM  
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Doug (formerly DB) June 29, 2009 7:20 PM  

I think one of our Alaska readers should definitely file an ethics charge against Ramras. Just be sure to keep it secret so it doesn't get thrown out.

portlandon June 29, 2009 7:21 PM  

JeanA said...

Ramras is definitely a dem because when they can’t back up their actions they start name calling.

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Alinsky rule #13

Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it and polarize it.

Ramras is using the Obama-Alinsky playbook. His Rino Tusk has no shame.

JeanA June 29, 2009 7:21 PM  

The anti-semitism rant had to do with buy your own damn bagels.

The man was just throwing anything out there.

Al B. June 29, 2009 7:22 PM  

Did Ramras really call Burke a pimp? Whoa.

RAM is over the target...LOL.

baboonking June 29, 2009 7:25 PM  

lesson to be learned.

don't hold others to ethical standards that you yourself don't hold yourself to.

JeanA June 29, 2009 7:25 PM  

Yes! and he called RAM and C4P a bunch of names

Doug (formerly DB) June 29, 2009 7:28 PM  

I missed the pimp part too. The only part I heard was Ramras saying, in effect, that it was OK for him to be unethical because he was a citizen legislator. He must think his constituents are incredibly stupid.

JeanA June 29, 2009 7:28 PM  

I think that FOX video is slowing down the page.

CruelaDev June 29, 2009 7:29 PM  

Doug,

Rep. JR showed several signs of a mental disorder...

1)Never Shut up! If I talk fast and always..no one will be able to dispute me.

2)If I call you names and make claims of YOUR wrong doing...no one will notice MY wrong doing.

3)If I can get you to feel sorry for me because I lost money due to the bad economy...you will have sympathy for me and forget what I did in the first place...because..hey...I'm just like everyother "JOE" who lost this year!

4)I live here and you don't...neener neener neener! You don't have the right to say or do anything regarding Alaska.

5)I am just a "part-time guy"...

The guy is a self absorbed sick puppy who thinks the rules don't apply to him...because...

"It's All About Me...and..It Is NEVER My Fault!"

JeanA June 29, 2009 7:30 PM  

Burke is saying that the libs are releasing all kinds of info in RAM.

Doug (formerly DB) June 29, 2009 7:32 PM  

Cruela,
Lol! That's what it sounded like to me too. One of our C4P people from Alaska really must file an ethics complaint.

Beehive June 29, 2009 7:32 PM  

Man did RAM hit a nerve with Ramras. He called the C4P blog people all kinds of names like nut jobs etc.

He just ran around in circles and never answered the questions.

He sounded like he was coming unhinged.

WOW!!

Doug (formerly DB) June 29, 2009 7:33 PM  

They're releasing info on RAM. I was no aware that she was a government official.

TommyReport June 29, 2009 7:33 PM  

Wow, what happened? Did he claim that Ram was an anti-Semite?

Somebody who listened to it, please provide play-by-play summary for those who lack audio.

JeanA June 29, 2009 7:35 PM  

in = on

These nuts don't want to mess with anyone in my family. My four brothers don't take prisoner.

Doug (formerly DB) June 29, 2009 7:36 PM  

He really sounded manic, if you ask me. RAM's piece was well-documented and there was really nothing he could do to defend his actions. Hence the need to change the subject and call people names. He needs some meds at this point I would assume.

JeanA June 29, 2009 7:37 PM  

I listened but I'm not a play to play person.

But it is worth a listen.

jimr3 June 29, 2009 7:39 PM  

Well shoot, I missed the call in by Ramras.

Judging from the reaction of the callers post interview, it sounds like ole Jay has stepped into it big time.

Amazing

And I don’t quit get the argument that since C4P is outside of Alaska, C4P shouldn’t have any business in Alaskan affairs. Why? When have any of the lower 48 states ever been off limits to any outside scrutiny?

Anyway great job again C4P!

Beehive June 29, 2009 7:45 PM  

TommyReport

He went off on RAM. He called this site anti semite. He called us nut jobs and something about being in the shadows.

Also he would just attack without answering anything.

Wow. Explosion

Beehive June 29, 2009 7:47 PM  

Doug
I lost connection when he was talking about releasing info.

What did he say? Who is releasing personal information on RAM?

JeanA June 29, 2009 7:47 PM  

Doug,

I think he was talking about the liberal nut job bloggers.

gamsbo June 29, 2009 7:48 PM  

You do not have to be from Alaska to file a complaint ...I called an and ask them. was told what to do

JeanA June 29, 2009 7:50 PM  

Ramras is worth 10 million dollars.

Beehive June 29, 2009 7:51 PM  

Eddie just said that Ramras is on Fagan's show riht now.

Doug (formerly DB) June 29, 2009 7:52 PM  

What was his basis for the anti-semite rant? I can recall a few C4P readers say something about Mittens being a Mormon and a couple readers questioning whether or not Obama is a Moslem or a Christian. I can't, however, ever recall anyone ever writing anything anti-semitic or even mentioning the Jewish religion on this website? Governor Palin is a strong supporter of Israel. Certainly much stronger than Obama. I'm confused.

KentonAK June 29, 2009 7:54 PM  

I've got many friends in Fairbanks that I've emailed a link to Ramras' asinine remarks to Eddie Burke...including his lame excuse for unethical behavior,calling Eddie Burke a 'pimp' for Gov Palin (implying the governor's a 'prostitute') and calling Rebecca horrid names...

(Now 'Cry-baby' Ramras is on Anchorage's 650 KENI whining the same sob-story as we speak)

********Loser!*********

Dynamite work Rebecca!

I suspect by this time tomorrow Ramras is going to wish he was back selling lousy chicken at 'JayBird's' Chicken Shack.

JeanA June 29, 2009 7:54 PM  

He claimed the comment about "buy your own damn bagels" was anti-semit.

Got me.

Doug (formerly DB) June 29, 2009 7:55 PM  

Beehive,
I didn't hear anything about that. Jean A at 7:30 said:

"Burke is saying that the libs are releasing all kinds of info in RAM."

I was just responding to that.




Update...


Jean A at 7:47 said:

"I think he was talking about the liberal nut job bloggers."

Al B. June 29, 2009 7:55 PM  

So I'm hearing that Ramras defended his position that he was just day-trading and got caught in a losing position so he held on to the stock?

What a crock. Any day-trader that held on to losing positions wouldn't be a day-trader very long.

KentonAK June 29, 2009 7:57 PM  

Ramos is making the rounds on ALL the Anchorage talk-shows in 'damage-control' mode...

*******Squirm Jay, Sqirm****

Doug (formerly DB) June 29, 2009 7:58 PM  

Kenton,
How can a guy worth $10 million have a job selling chicken at a place called "Jaybird's Chicken Shack"?

Seriously! Did he inherit the money or was it some really great chicken?

TommyReport June 29, 2009 7:58 PM  

hahahahaha

This blog is running the news narrative in Alaska, hahahahaha.

Beehive June 29, 2009 7:58 PM  

JeanA @ 7:30

Who is releasing personal info on Ram?

Are you kidding me?

KentonAK June 29, 2009 8:00 PM  

Doug-

Ramos inherited his millions from 'Daddy'.

Brian72 June 29, 2009 8:01 PM  

Sounds like there will be lots of updates and new posts with more updates tonight.

That California Girl started an Earthquake in Alaska!

Me thinks this will get real juicy very soon.

Doug (formerly DB) June 29, 2009 8:03 PM  

KentonAK,
Now that makes sense. It was exceedingly difficult for me to believe that he was smart enough to earn it!

TommyReport,
That is awesome. Maybe some day soon when the ADN finally goes under, C4P will replace it as the news source of choice or Alaskans.

RINO-hunter June 29, 2009 8:05 PM  

LOL, daytrading with hundreds of thousands of dollars?

Also, I'd like to know with whom at BP Ramras has been in contact with and the nature of their communications, as insider trading is a possibility here as well. Since I'm not in AK and not inclined to meddle in their internal affairs, I wonder if the SEC might be interested in his equity holdings as well. If his position in the legislature is such that he's privy to BP's business dealings because of regulatory filings and the like, he has de-facto insider information.

Doug (formerly DB) June 29, 2009 8:06 PM  

Just like Governor Palin is inside Obama's melon, Ram is now inside Jaybird's melon.

Brian Davidson June 29, 2009 8:06 PM  

WOW! C4P shaping media opinion.... nice!

Patty Hewes June 29, 2009 8:07 PM  

It's really upsetting that some of the crazies are releasing personal information to intimidate ram, It also speaks to the fact that C4P has really been effective in correcting the record when it comes to the Governor.

Nancy June 29, 2009 8:08 PM  

Fellow cultists, we have witnessed from Mr. Ramras's meltdown today, another benefit of having such a fearless cult leader.
Behold, RAM makes liberal's heads explode! And it really wasn't that hard either.

baboonking June 29, 2009 8:10 PM  

RAM,

expect a lot more scrutiny on whats posted on this blog from now on. be careful and everybody be on your best behaviour :)

TommyReport June 29, 2009 8:10 PM  

What are we going to do when Ram leaves for the bright lights in two years?

Doug (formerly DB) June 29, 2009 8:11 PM  

The liberals did something similar to Joe The Plumber here in Ohio. It ultimately resulted in the firing of a public employee in Columbus who illegally leaked some of Joe's private information.

RINO-hunter June 29, 2009 8:16 PM  

From the SEC's website:

Insider Trading

"Insider trading" is a term that most investors have heard and usually associate with illegal conduct. But the term actually includes both legal and illegal conduct. The legal version is when corporate insiders—officers, directors, and employees—buy and sell stock in their own companies. When corporate insiders trade in their own securities, they must report their trades to the SEC. For more information about this type of insider trading and the reports insiders must file, please read "Forms 3, 4, 5" in our Fast Answers databank.

Illegal insider trading refers generally to buying or selling a security, in breach of a fiduciary duty or other relationship of trust and confidence, while in possession of material, nonpublic information about the security. Insider trading violations may also include "tipping" such information, securities trading by the person "tipped," and securities trading by those who misappropriate such information.

Examples of insider trading cases that have been brought by the SEC are cases against:

* Corporate officers, directors, and employees who traded the corporation's securities after learning of significant, confidential corporate developments;

* Friends, business associates, family members, and other "tippees" of such officers, directors, and employees, who traded the securities after receiving such information;

* Employees of law, banking, brokerage and printing firms who were given such information to provide services to the corporation whose securities they traded;

* Government employees who learned of such information because of their employment by the government;

and

* Other persons who misappropriated, and took advantage of, confidential information from their employers.

JeanA June 29, 2009 8:19 PM  

Beehive, I am having problems refreshing. It may have something to do with that Fox video.

I think some liberal blogger(s)posted the info.

KellySC June 29, 2009 8:27 PM  

This is getting VERY interesting. RAM thanks for your hard work! He def has some splainin to do.

TommyReport June 29, 2009 8:29 PM  

Why does Ram need to step out of the shadows?

She already identified herself, hahahaha.

CodaCuda2012 June 29, 2009 8:35 PM  

-----WARNING TO LIBS.-----

Getting in RAM's face at your own peril.

Can you imagine the headlines if something stupid happened.

RAM good work and please make sure your are safe. I am sure I can speak for all of use on this account.

Nancy June 29, 2009 8:35 PM  

baboonking,
Yeah, WWWEEEE need to be careful with OUR comments!:)

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CodaCuda2012 June 29, 2009 8:42 PM  

My post at 8:39 will self-destruct in 5 minutes.

ND June 29, 2009 8:42 PM  

Atta girl, RAM. Don't back down.

juju June 29, 2009 8:45 PM  

Wonder if the new AG will look into this or would that be part of an ethics complaint??? Wonder if this could be like the Martha thingie.

juju June 29, 2009 8:56 PM  

I am proud of all us for not responding to the new photos by Wonkette today. I do believe they were baiting us to make a stupid mistake by doing photos of OBAMA's kids. PLEASE DON'T EVER DO THAT.

Ram did super today. Luv her grit.

Doug (formerly DB) June 29, 2009 8:57 PM  

JR,
Great summary of the rantings of Jay Ramras.

Doug (formerly DB) June 29, 2009 8:59 PM  

JuJu,
Josh Painter provided a link to Robert Stacy McCain's take down of the wonkette hit piece. McCain's take down is very good...but not g-rated.


http://rsmccain.blogspot.com/2009/06/it-takes-small-people-to-stoop-this-low.html

KentonAK June 29, 2009 9:02 PM  

To use Jay Ramras's own words...

What's particularly "creepy and shadowy" is 40+ YO Ramos chasing after 19 YO campaign/office staffers.

Nancy June 29, 2009 9:02 PM  

Ramras now has an extra "s", and the word whuppin' on the end of his name, because RAM just gave him one.
A Ramra**whuppin'





Can't you people take a joke?
I'm sorry if this joke offends anyone, I did not mean for you to misunderstand it. I didn't mean it as a joke about Ramras. There are plenty of other people making jokes about Ramras, so why don't you go after them. It could be any Ramras. You all are over the top sensitive at a perceived slight. You might not like the joke, but give me a break, try to understand it. He is a public figure, so he can take it. I wasn't even trying to make fun of the man. Look at other websites, I'm sure there are far worse jokes out there. It's just a mistake, and or misunderstanding, whatever will get the glaring lights of scrutiny off of me. I wish everyone wouldn't go nuts for something blown out of proportion. It's your fault if you have a problem with that joke.


Fine! I think I'm going to go somewhere out in nature and meditate for a few days!

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CruelaDev June 29, 2009 9:06 PM  

Nancy..

"rodeo song"...look it up!

Nancy June 29, 2009 9:11 PM  

I don't think my two comments are long for this world.

CruelaDev June 29, 2009 9:13 PM  

Nancy..that was for Jay!

CodaCuda2012 June 29, 2009 9:14 PM  

I guess they can dish it out but can't take it. I pity the fools who attack ALL of us.

JeanA June 29, 2009 9:17 PM  

What about that song " Somebody is watching you"

snooper June 29, 2009 9:31 PM  

This moron has always had a bad case of "big fish, little pond" syndrome. Like the time he went to NY under the impression that every newspaper in the city would come clamoring just because he is an AK official.
I wonder how poor Jay feels now being all polarized and isolated.

CodaCuda2012 June 29, 2009 9:37 PM  

Nancy--- Did you make a joke about Jay's long face?/sarc.

Nancy June 29, 2009 9:43 PM  

CodaCuda2012,
No, but LOL! That's funny!

CruelaDev,
That's an "interesting" song, if I found the one you were mentioning.

JeanA June 29, 2009 9:43 PM  

RAM KO's Ramras

Donated $50 to SarahPAC for a job well done.

portlandon June 29, 2009 9:46 PM  

Oh Mansour, this is sweet. You have done the job that the Alaskan Media won't/didn't want to do.

You are a citizen journalist, out scooping the "Professionals". Instead of looking into Ramras & the other insider backroom good ole' boys club they are so concerned with Palin's wardrobe and Piper's lemonade stand. HAHAHA!

The Alaskan people should be ashamed of their local media. The ADN is a Liberal spokesmouth for everything anti-Palin.

You have exposed Ramras for what he is.....a sexist RINO opprotunist with an outdated mail order bride catalog sticking out of his back pocket.

C4P is NOT some Saturday night knitting circle, they KNOW THEIR STUFF.

gardunne63 June 29, 2009 9:49 PM  

Isn't Ramras the media whore who flew down to NYC on the taxpayers' dime to eat Alaskan salmon with Todd in SoHo?

RAM can take down Alaskan politicians from her bunker in California!!!

I've been saying it for months, C4P is going to *own* the politicians/press who try to take down our 'Cuda.

upinak June 29, 2009 9:51 PM  

10% with the scope of the "project".

Ummm Ramras does realize that the percentage for Exxon and TransCanada was confidential.

opps.

gardunne63 June 29, 2009 9:55 PM  

And another thing, anyone who dare claims C4P is anti-semitic has never read C4P.

K. Carpenter June 29, 2009 10:01 PM  

Wow- Ramras went right to attack mode. In the first sentence he launched.

Obviously this story struck a nerve.

Ramras is going to have to explain this. I am certain that this is not the end of it.

It was a daytrade gone bad is not a good excuse. The daytrade continued to crash for months and months since last August.

Smart people would eventually have sold the stock when it was cut in half. But Ramras did not...why is that? Because he eventually knew the stock would recover and make him big bucks.

Michel June 29, 2009 10:01 PM  

Watching this right now on KTUU news...

Michel June 29, 2009 10:05 PM  

He said that once this story came out on C4P he went right out and bought 5,000 shares of Trans-Canada to avoid any possible problems with charges of favoritism

K. Carpenter June 29, 2009 10:07 PM  

Awesome Michel.

Once again- how many eyebrows lifted today when they heard this news. Who in their right mind would think that it is okay to buy $170,000 worth of stock in a company that has business in front of the state?

Nancy June 29, 2009 10:07 PM  

I love how he calls real investigative journalism done by RAM at C4P, "creepy and shadowy."

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JeanA June 29, 2009 10:17 PM  

Get ready for a made-up hit piece from ADN.

Lipstick June 29, 2009 10:24 PM  

RAM:

Are you a distant cousin of the guv? You seem to have a knack for ticking off people, the SAME people that 'Cuda ticks off...


Wow, I have been called many things in my life, but I have never been called sleezy before.


Wonder how Ramras likes being put under the microscope? He loves to make digs at the guv for no reason, even saying he was going to NY to keep Palin honest. He seems a little unstable to me when challenged. Thing is, he is being challenged on REAL issues that look unethical.

JeanA June 29, 2009 10:25 PM  

I bet you everybody is calling their stockbroker and yelling, sell, sell. Joking.

PEC June 29, 2009 10:25 PM  

With Ramras way of thinking Exxon, Connoco and BP can not do business in Alaska because none of their CEOs are from Alaska. Also why is an ALaskan buying stock on the NYSE. The NYSE is in NY so he knows nothing about the NYSE he is in Alaska. What a straw man argument. With research you do not have to be from Alaska to file an ethics complaint against a legislative body. Get ready Ramras.

Susan W June 29, 2009 10:29 PM  

Ramras kept screeching about how this is an Alaskan issue...does this blustering buffoon not realize that this Pipeline is for the benefit of the entire nation? As an American citizen, I am going to be directly effected by the political manuevering and any voting that is influenced by a legislator's personal financial stakes.

So thank you, Rebecca...thank you for your diligent, spot-on, laser- sharp research and intrepid reporting. You, my dear, are an absolute gem.

(By the way, Ramras...if you are reading this...I found your name-calling and trash-talking crass and undignified. You sir, may be many things, but a gentleman is not one of them.)

CodaCuda2012 June 29, 2009 10:31 PM  

-------THIS IS IMPORTANT-------

Michel, June 29, 2009 10:05 PM

He said that once this story came out on C4P he went right out and bought 5,000 shares of Trans-Canada to avoid any possible problems with charges of favoritism

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If this is true this is a further violation of the legislative ethics act RAM quoted above. TransCanada is doing business directly with the state. I can not believe Jay would be that stupid. Oh wait yes I can.

-------THIS IS IMPORTANT-------

section9 June 29, 2009 10:31 PM  

People:

Ask yourself the following questions, given RAM's superb reporting of the day.


Start connecting the dots here. What if the WH promised the Murkowski crowd, including people like Ramras, that if Palin and her project went down, the Denali project, and the Denali project's investors, would be fast-tracked?

What if the ethics charges are blue smoke and mirrors designed to distract Palin and her staff from what's really going on? An unholy alliance between the WH and the Old Guard in the Alaska legislature who've been burned by Palin in the past and want to take her down?

The real game in town is the gasline, not this ethics crap. I suspect that if we start looking at Democrats like Poe, Hawker, Begich, Hollis French, Kim Elton, we'll may, just may, start to see the outlines of the Denali Project.

Now as to the Republicans, this is just a hunch of mine, but it's a good hunch, and a working theory. You don't tell Alaska Republicans to screw their Republican Governor unless you've got something real sweet to offer them in return. And the skim of the cream off the top of the Denali line is sweet.

RAM may, quite accidentally, have stumbled on something rather large. Want to know more? Start looking for contribution patterns in all of Palin's enemies on our side of the aisle w/ regard to the Denali project. Same same with the D's.

Guess what you'll find? Methinks RAM might have uncovered tip of iceberg.

Linda Kellen Biegel? Dime store operator in someone else's much larger game.

JeanA June 29, 2009 10:36 PM  

Can an ethnics complaint be filed against Ramras for calling the Guv a hooker?

section9 June 29, 2009 10:36 PM  

My take? What if Jay Ramras is the tip of a very large iceberg?

And what if the whole ethics hullaballoo is designed to keep the press away from that fact?

I'm just sayin'!

PEC June 29, 2009 10:36 PM  

OH RAM. There is no doubt why you support GOV Palin so much. You are just like her.

Lipstick June 29, 2009 10:37 PM  

Section9:

Good grief, that makes perfect sense. Am I turning into a conspiracy nut? RAM may have stirred up a hornet's nest. What if what you say is true? How can we expose that?

baboonking June 29, 2009 10:40 PM  

Section9,

too crazy for me.

BettyJoBialowski June 29, 2009 10:40 PM  

Who do you think should play RAM in the movie?

upinak June 29, 2009 10:40 PM  

FOIA... beautiful things.

CruelaDev June 29, 2009 10:43 PM  

I feel culty ...oh so culty...oh so culty ...and wise"...
Oh sorry...I was feeling all "West Side Story-ish"" thingy there for a moment!

Amanda K June 29, 2009 10:44 PM  

Representative Ramras,

Your explanation stinks, sir. FYI, it's pretty bad - the smell is reaching me in Southern California. (Alaska residency for *bs* detection non-compulsory).

Sincerely,

Amanda K

RINO-hunter June 29, 2009 10:44 PM  

"Who do you think should play RAM in the movie?"

Herself, of course!

JeanA June 29, 2009 10:44 PM  

Section9,

This sounds like something for Foxnews. They have the resources.

Jenny June 29, 2009 10:46 PM  

R.A. you were awesome. Ramras was so annoying he knows he was caught. LOL.

CodaCuda2012 June 29, 2009 10:48 PM  

upinak---do a FOIA request.

section9 June 29, 2009 10:49 PM  

First, ask yourself this: why would BP and Conoco Philips only show up in Jay's stock portfolio?

Jay Ramras couldn't lead a Sadie Hawkins dance. Jay is fine where he is, but he'll never be elected to higher office. Ron Jeremy could beat Jay Ramras if he ran for Senate.

Why would BP and Conoco Philips only give generously to Jay Ramras, Rennaissance Man, and ignore Kim Elton, Hollis French, and then cross the aisle and give till it hurts to the Murkowski Lobby?

WTF is so special about Jay Ramras? Cause he wears funny glasses in his office?

The presence of BP and Conoco Philips stock in Jay's portfolio has nothing to do with the success or failure of the Denali Line at all?

And Jay is the only one? Little old Jay? Jay from Fairbanks? Mr. Backbencher? The Fredo Corleone of the Alaska Legislature? That Jay Ramras?

Bullsh*t.

TommyReport June 29, 2009 10:51 PM  

I'm in class right now and I am really having a tough time stifling laughter, hahaahah.

The video is now up at KTUU.

Michel June 29, 2009 10:52 PM  

I went to the KTUU website to double check what I said and made sure I didn't hear it wrong. I heard right, it's the first story up with video and he did say he went right out and bought 5,000 shares of TransCanada stock.

This guy is pretty freakin' shady...

juju June 29, 2009 10:53 PM  

Correct me if I am wrong. In AK. it sounds to me like people run for these various political offices and declare which party they represent
in order to get elected. After they get elected their votes are rarely in line with the party they represent.

Does this Ramras live under a rock? I loved it when he kept complaining RAM was not from AK. therefore, she should no have any opinion about AK.

Lipstick June 29, 2009 10:56 PM  

Did RAM look at all the legislators financials? If so, she would have seen a pattern right?

Jodie Foster could play RAM, but I am not sure how old RAM is so Jodie may be too old. She looks great and is tough too.

Nancy June 29, 2009 10:57 PM  

I loved how Ramras kept throwing that "you're not from Alaska, so you have no business writing this article", at you and you never bit, RAM. Great job on the article and for taking it to, Mr. Ramras.

I noticed there were alot of awkward pauses on the Mr. Ramras's part, I wonder if it was because he had to think through his answers.

Lipstick June 29, 2009 10:59 PM  

Well I am sure Sarah is thinking..

"Duh, I should have went right out and bought a Polaris jacket and wore it to an event to show no favortism toward Artic Cat, would have saved me a butt load of money."

baboonking June 29, 2009 11:00 PM  

now he has two conflicts of interests (bp & transcanada) :)

Brian Davidson June 29, 2009 11:02 PM  

Basic summary:

"I am against AGIA."

But you voted for it sir.

"You are not an Alaskan, you know nothing."

Maybe so, but I can read rollcalls on who votes for what.

"YOU are an anti-semite."

The end.

TommyReport June 29, 2009 11:04 PM  

Lip,

Ram is a lot hotter than Jodie :)

Lipstick June 29, 2009 11:05 PM  

Gee, I thought Ramras lost his shirt on the BP stock day trade. He was whining about it to RAM and Eddie. How did he have money to buy 5000 shares of Trans Canada?

CruelaDev June 29, 2009 11:08 PM  

"I voted for it...before I purchased against it"....then purchased for it....

Damn...my head hurts...what was I saying?

R. A. Mansour June 29, 2009 11:09 PM  

People, please refresh this article and read the updates.

I need people to email Jason Moore of KTUU and demand a retraction on Ramras' absurd and slanderous claim that this website is anti-Semitic.

Moore's email is jmoore@ktuu.com.

Don't let this stand. They are now trying to destroy the messanger.

Moore's article was grossly biased.

baboonking June 29, 2009 11:10 PM  

so basically Ramras is saying if denali makes the pipeline he makes money or if transcanada makes the pipeline he makes money.

well there's no impropriety there. /sarc

Nancy June 29, 2009 11:10 PM  
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Lipstick June 29, 2009 11:13 PM  

TommyReport:

Your right. Hard to think up a hot actress that is tough too. Guess I don't see many movies that aren't animated due to having kids!


I am confused that someone who has been elected to a state office could be so unstable acting. Running out and buying stock like that? Did he consult with anyone first? I would have called my lawyer first, not just ran out and do something that could make it worse.

Also, could you ever see Gov. Palin resorting to name calling of a critic on a radio show? Calling Eddie a pimp and RAM an anti-semite. Also calling a blog that is well done creepy, sleezy and in the shadows? How unprofessional.

The guv has WAY more class than that.

upinak June 29, 2009 11:14 PM  
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upinak June 29, 2009 11:14 PM  

RAM you need everyone to email these people as well.

info@worldnow.com

Per the Site Terms of Service:

If you consider any material appearing on the Web site to be objectionalbe and would like to report it, please send an e-mail to Info@WorldNow.com.

CCRWM June 29, 2009 11:14 PM  

RAM thnk you so much for doing the work that the Alaskan media except for a few like Eddie Burke and Bob and Mark won't do.

To me it's outrageous that this guy, Ramras, who as a Republican could really have underminded Gov Palin and AGIA wasn't exposed until you, a fellow Los Angelino, exposed his unethical behavior.

You are as good and as effective as anyone who works for the Gov and to me you have a lot of credibility because you don't get paid but you do this from conviction. Gov Palin is blesed to have people like you in her camp.

reds June 29, 2009 11:17 PM  

e mailed to moore research research
There were days when she walked around the building with (her daughter) Piper handing out bagels. I think those days are gone," he added with a touch of wistfulness.


Buy your own damn bagels, you whiny dingbat! She's the governor of your state, she's not your mother. Pack your own f***ing lunch!

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