Phil Munger, Official Obstetrician of the Alaska Democratic Party
Who is "Doctor" Phil Munger? Phil is an official of the Democratic Party in Alaska who also operates the blog "Progressive Alaska." We called him out earlier because he links from his blog to Trig Truthers like "The Immoral Minority" and to the hideous photoshop parody of a special needs child found at "Celtic Diva's Blue Oasis."
Phil is also apparently an obstetrician in his own mind, much like Andrew Sullivan. (Just being sarcastic about that -VO.) Not content to engage in attacks by proxy via hosting these deranged people at his home, Munger has decided to attack the Governor over the circumstances of her youngest son's birth. How sexist can you get?
She decided to fly back to Alaska to have her 5th child that she knew had Downs Syndrome. She passed up some of the finest children’s hospitals in Dallas, Seattle and Anchorage. She flew several hours and then drove 50 miles to her home town and had her baby. I admire her ability to hold a child in during all those hours and miles above the Earth while she was in labor.
Phil, it's Down Syndrome, not "Downs Syndrome". Get your facts straight. And exactly how many children have you given birth to? Isn't a mother the best judge of her own labor and childbirth? Was Palin's doctor not consulted every step of the way? And did mother and son emerge from this just fine, or not?
Alan Colmes already tried this attack against Governor Palin, and conventional wisdom is that it cost him his job at Fox News. Andrew Sullivan tries it out on a regular basis; as a result he has become a laughingstock.
The "progressive" Alaskan bloggers have utilized this misogynist attack before - Shannyn Moore and (surprise) Celtic Diva.
More disturbing is that it's a meme repeated endlessly on the most deranged of the Trig Truther blogs, one of which, "The Immoral Minority," Munger links directly from the front page of his website.
Another thing to ask the Alaska Democrats - do they condone sexist comments about a woman's childbirth from one of their party officials?
Let's ask them. Here is their website contact form.
UPDATE: Doctor Phil doubles down on misogyny.
UPDATE II: Just some personal commentary - watching the tactics of Trig Truthers like Phil Munger is kind of like watching Wile E. Coyote. Just replace "ACME device" with "Daily Kos meme". They're so convinced that, by just finding some new way of repackaging a vicious attack against Palin as a woman and mother, they can finally get those pesky Christians and family-values voters to turn against her.
I probably shouldn't offer them advice, because Truthers like Munger are becoming an asset in solidifying Palin's support. But I will anyway:
HEY MORONS. IT'S NOT WORKING. No, calling Bristol a slut, or Trig a prop, or Track a criminal does not separate Palin from her base of support. If that was going to work, it would have worked in the first week of September 2008. You saw the results with Palin's reception at the Republican National Convention.
People like Doctor Phil won't give it up, though. They just can't help themselves.
UPDATE III: Doctor Phil himself has just posted at the Truther blog "The Immoral Minority":
I've just posted two appropriate articles about how Palin herself has mistreated Trig at Progressive Alaska.
Giving birth is now apparently "mistreatment". I await evidence on how Trig Palin has suffered from his mother's malevolent abuse.
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It is precisely this issue that, when I addressed it on an anti-Palin blog, prompted one of them to start stalking me. The people who make these charges are hopelessly lost. Some of them also think that women get invariably larger with subsequent pregnancies and that since photos of Palin pregnant with Trig show her smaller than she was with Piper, that means she's not his mother. Stupid. They need to read up on this stuff before making charges about things they have no clue about. I was smallest with my youngest child.
I've given birth to four babies. For the first one I was quite nervous -- understandably. By the time you have your third, you don't freak out and go into a panic when you go into labor. You sort of "get it" by the third or fourth child. The fact that she delivered safely shows her decision to travel in that condition was not unwise. They need to do something more productive with their lives. Think of the hours they could spend ministering to people in need.......but they spend their days going after someone they hate.
This man is an idiot. Does he really believe that every human female has a pre-programmed, one-size- fits-all, labor time limit? My labor lasted for nearly twenty-four hours...for some woman it is a lot less...and for others, a lot more!
This brainless twit needs to worry about his own male reproductive system and stop blabbering on about Sarah Palin's.
This is another lame attempt at a "judgemnt" issue. Sarah stated shortly after MAC announced her...that she was in constant contact with her doctor...
she had minimal labor pains and no real issues on the plane.
I think if I remember right.. Alan Colmes said the "Down Syndrome" was caused by her decision to fly back to Alaska. He caught much flack for that!
Can't cure stupid!
Michael Jackson has a heart attack...hmmmm
VO,
Thanks for the post.
I actually think Phil and Andrew are being groomed to be OBs in the Obama helthcare system. Why not, look at our Treasury Secretary, Vice President,...forget it, the list is too long.:)
Lisa Graas,
I think you nailed it on the head with Trig being her 5th child. The perspective a parent has from having the first child, to having the third, fourth or fifth child, is a huge learning curve, and degree of comfort level. My first child, poor kid, didn't have a french fry, until he was like, 6! French fries were junk food! By my 4th child, I looked at french fries as potatoes, and he was eating them at like 2.
Lisa, thanks for that point, it makes absolute sense.
OT- Rick Perry on Cavuto given opportunity to respond to a question re Republican leaders who remain after Ensign and Sanford debacles. He lists himself, Jindal, Barbour and someone else but no Sarah. When Cavuto brought up dumb joke by Kerry, Perry did not even mention or defend Sarah, just said joke should be put in the political dustbin. Remind me again why she endorsed him?
Home deliveries are making a comeback. Having a baby is not like having a quadruple by-pass.
Suffice to say Phil has never personnally had a child. His wife if married maybe but not him so how would he know.
Strange behavior by Perry. He just said a few days ago, paraphrasing, that her endorsement is the best one to have in the Republican universe.
Cavuto built it up as if he were really PISSED!
LOL
WOW...what dull interview!
Perry...did you get any sleep last night?
I was in hard labor for over 17 hours, before the Doc decided I needed a C-Section.
The Doc's nor I didn't even know I was IN labor, as I actually went to my appt scheduled for that day!
This guy is an idiot. I wouldn't go to him to save my life... much less have him deliver my child.
I wonder how many malpractice suites this reject has?
Maybe he is taking KBH's criticism too seriously. Or maybe he's a turd. Who knows. Good luck Texas, Missouri's got it's own problems in 2010.
I would like a clip of Perry's Cavuto appearance.
If it was as described here, then he is a SOB.
BUT, I'd really like to see it first before we throw him under the bus.
Some of these doctors are so stupid.
Gov. Palin knew how she felt and checked with her doctor. They made the decision together. With my first daughter, my water broke 3 weeks before she was born. The doctor told me the major concern was infection. I could have traveled around the world.
Paging Dr. Sullivan...Paging Dr. Sullivan...to the courtesy phone please...Paging Dr. Sullivan
I read over at Team Sarah that Biegel has pulled the picture off her site. I don't go there, I don't want to give her any traffic.
OT and not entirely Gov. Sarah related (although she is mentioned), but I just read this column. It's something to think about:
http://tinyurl.com/mwtegl
I think these men are just so hesitant to speak out about Palin. I really can't figure it out. Maybe they are that way about men too and we just don't notice it.
this guy is whack!
i realise that he is an obstitrician but that doesn't mean he knows all.
i am a nures...work at a hospital...work at the hospital that all 3 of my sons were born in. i literally drove all the way home 25 miles one way, packed a bag, aroused my husband and waited for grandma to babysit till i went to the hospital.
i also was VERY nervous with my first one. but once i delivered and brought him home...who did i listen to???...my mother who had 9 of her own. i figured she knew more than my pediatrician about alot of things and i'm happy to say that all 3 of my sons are big scrappin young men that i couldn't be more proud of.
to make a long story short...
i think most times a woman knows her body better than a doctor does.
1) I link to both Celtic Diva's Blue Oasis, and to The Immoral Minority. However, I have not posted the photoshopped picture of Eddie Burke. I did post a real picture of him yesterday, though. You can look at it at my blog.
Nor have I ever written or carried an article about aspects of Trig's birth until the two reprints of earlier articles by others that I published today.
Additionally, behind the scenes, when asked about a number of stories about the Palins, over the past ten months, I have helped quash untrue ones several times. Two examples are the "Sambo beat the bitch" story, and the YouTube that supposedly was taken by Willow when she attended Iditarod Elementary School.
2) The article you refer to is not by me, as my posting states quite clearly. I have spoken to over a dozen people who work in the medical field about the last stages of Palin's most recent pregnancy. Most feel Palin endangered the child by the way she conducted herself. Some feel Palin did this consciously; others feel it was merely her typical selfish negligence regarding one of her kids.
3) I know Dr. Baldwin-Johnson, as she was the doctor for both of our kids through their infancy and early childhood. She had a hand in saving our son's life.
CBJ's statement on the issue of Palin's last pregnancy is a masterpiece of uninformative brevity, to say the least. One can't expect more, though, as medical records are confidential, as long as the patient wishes for that to be the case.
VO,
Interesting to see what that fine representative of the Alaska Democrats, Phil Munger, has offered to his readership today:
personal attack on John Ziegler,
personal attack on Eddie Burke,
2 personal attacks on Governor Palin's fitness as a mother,
and the dismissal of all Governor Palin's supporters as "uneducated".
That's an awesome article, Illinois. I believe back when women were fighting for suffrage and coming out of WWI, they argued that more women in politics would mean fewer children sent to die. I think this may be a variant on that theme. the true feminist response would be that neither men nor women as a group are more qualified to lead. Individuals are qualified to lead, and no qualified individual should be opposed on the basis of gender, whether man or woman.
That said, I'm thrilled to be backing a solid candidate for first-ever female POTUS. ;-)
Um, Phil, you don't get to post someone else's article on your blog and then pretend you didn't endorse everything in it. That is, unless you accompany the post with a disclaimer, which you did not do. It's your blog, you control what gets published there, so it's your speech.
Phillip Munger...
Interesting statement.
You still have NO CLUE on the condition of Palin in her "last stages".. and I can get just as many so called experts to state...Trig was NEVER in any danger!..
So Your point would be...Hmmmmm?
Your what hurts? How about this...
write about what you know...oh sorry that might put you out of a job....
Hey Munger,
You spoke to a "dozen people in the medical profession" about Sarah Palin's last pregnancy? Really? Do you have any other weird hobbies we should be aware of? Gawd, I hope Alaska's state troopers have a bead on you license plate 24/7.
Ok, Dr. 'Phil', you made your statement. Now, we've all heard from Governor Palin's OB/GYN that she was in contact with the governor, she was aware the governor was traveling, the situation was discussed.
Now, since the baby was NOT born until several hours AFTER the governor arrived at the hospital, where was the danger?
When a woman gets to number 4 or 5 she has had previous experience to judge what is happening.
With my first, I was in labor forever! With my 3rd, I wore a regular swimsuit and evening gown (not maternity wear) at 30 weeks. Each pregnancy was different, but through all 6, I was comfortable in the knowledge that my doctor and I were in control.
It is so easy for you, as a man to think you know but, you have no clue. When you have given birth, come back and we'll all chat.
I will predict that you will be sorry to increase the traffic on this topic. If you are interested in the political future of Sarah Palin you will remove this article.
Uh, for those who don't know Munger. He's not really a doctor. We were goofing on him by calling him the "Official Obstetrician of the Alaska Democratic Party".
okay..FOX is talking as if Michael Jackson has died?...They are using all past tense references...
"Dr.Phil" - can you explain how Gov Palin's handling of her last pregnancy/childbirth is any of your concern? How does it affect you if she didn't rush to the hospital when her water broke? How do you know how her labor normally progresses? Why do you assume that delivery of a DS infant is much more risky?
I have spoken to over a dozen people who work in the medical field about the last stages of Palin's most recent pregnancy Good grief - again I ask - why the sam hill is the woman's pregnancy ANY of your business? And even the talking head doctors on TV admit that they can not diagnose individulas without examining them. Since you are familiar with the OB who treated Palin surely you think them qualified but somehow you want others to believe that she & Gov Palin were reckless and put Trig in danger.
Munger, ummm....where in Dr. Baldwin-Johnson's statement was she not perfectly clear about the Governor's pregnancy with Trig? Seemed to be pretty straightforward English to me.
If you read the statement by the doctor again, you will see that it says absolutely nothing about Sarah giving birth to Trig. It is in English but the writing seems to be in several voices. Check it out.
sandra, I just re-read the letter. What part of "she had 4 term deliveries...and 1 pre-term delivery at 35 weeks gestation in 2008" that you don't understand? Or,
"Governor Palin.....continued to be in good health and was recovering well from the birth of her last child, Trig." Seems pretty darn clear to me that she is unequivocally stating that the Governor gave birth to Trig. As a trial attorney, if Dr. Baldwin-Johnson were "fudging," or lying, I would not want to defend her.
howlroll: You are correct on the reference to the birth of Trig. However, the doctor didn't say she delivered Trig or was involved in the fifth pregnancy. This letter was a report of a medical history, not a medical record.
Sandra,
Are you a Trig Truther?
Go post a comment over at Phil's Emporium of Tin foil hat circus. I did, I wonder if it will be deleted?????
HMMMMM.
Like I said in an early post. With the birth of my first daughter. My water broke 3 weeks before the delivery. I can remember it well, because I thought...good I am going to get this over with early it was a very hot June in the mid-west.
I called my doctor and he had me come into his office. He said no I was not in labor and your water breaking does not always mean a sign that labor will follow shortly. Infection is the major concern. You have what is known as a "dry birth". It is very difficult but I am here and my daughter is fine. Any doctor will tell you. Every birth is different.
"Dr. Phil" is over there whining about people calling him "Dr Munger"
The whiners are also whining about C4P being on a "rampage against Alaska Bloggers."
They haven't BEGUN to see rampage if they keep being misogynistic anti-child creeps.
*tisk tisk* Dr. Phil. Wow, what a loon. O_o
GinaM - pffffffftt
sandra,
You actually made me laugh out loud!
Folks, Governor Palin must have a written note from her doctor with the words: Sarah Louise Heath Palin, Governor of Alaska, wife of Todd Palin, mother of 4, and and birth mother of Trig Paxon Van Palin. This is utterly priceless! Where is oldnwise, no need for a workout today after sandra's gem!
I forgot to get my doctor's note for the birth of my 4 children. Governor Palin must have a doctor's note in her purse, ready at all times to whip out, like a driver's license.
Munger is just disappointed that the iceberg that Zaki has been talking about are ethics complaints that he already predicts will be dismissed and some nebulous reference to an IRS investigation that he didn't even state directly involved the governor.
Sandra,
I'm reading your comments very carefully.
Just letting you know.
If you feel the need to come out of the Trig Truther closet, feel free to do so. You know what the consequences will be, but it might make it simpler for all of us if you just stopped pretending (assuming that you are pretending to not be a truther).
I guess I am in total amazement..
Sarah is so screwing with the heads of the left and she does not really have to lift a finger to do so...
I am just in total AWE...at the PDS! WOW! I have been shaking my head about this since MAC introduced her...WTF?
BOOGIE BOOGIE BOOGIE! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!
If we could bottle this PDS thingy and sell it..we could solve the economic problem in a week!
RAM,
your too kind. BAN HER!!! :)
what doofus looks at pictures of Trig cannot see that he looks just like his sister Piper (who coincidentally looks like the Gov at her age), and Todd Palin. So unless someone wants to claim that Piper is Trig's mother it is obvious that the truthers are insane.
It may not have been everyone's choice but the Governor "had her faith tested to the core," with the knowledge that her baby would have Down Syndrome. She most likely wanted to be around her family and drs she knew and trusted. After all there is no better dr than the one who knows your case and your labor history. So, since her doctor said they were in constant contact and that they were never in danger, who is anyone else to argue?
RAM:
Seems to me Sandra is insinuating that Palin is not Trig's mom by arguing about what the doctor wrote. What more do you want? But it's your blog. I'll keep my mouth shut because I like being here and don't want to get kicked off.
Regarding Munger:
Why is this even an issue? I am amazed that a MAN is trying to say that a woman who had 4 kids already would not know what it felt like to be in labor and therefore know that she was not about to have the baby. How insulting. Sarah Palin knows all about labor dude, because she had 4children before giving birth to Trig.
Any WOMAN can look at a picture of Palin in her pregnancy and tell she is pregnant. I have looked at many that were taken before she announced she was pregnant and she LOOKS pregnant, people. A woman can tell by looking. I can see a picture of Sarah, without a date, and tell you if it was while pregnant. All you moms know what I am talking about.
This is just dumb. Just accept the fact that YES Sarah Palin was pregnant and KNEW her child had Down Syndrome and STILL chose to have the child, yea that's right, she stood by her Pro-Life talk.
Get over it!
I am not even going to get into the fact that an Alaskan Airline Flight Attendant made the comment that Sarah was fine on the flight. Was not in any discomfort and was pleasant like she always is.
Ask my husband if I was "pleasant" during labor and see what his reaction is! (I still have dreams about my hero AKA epidural man.)
Palin was fine and knew what she was doing.
For those who don't know Anchorage geography that well, the airport is on the far west side. It is probably 6-8 miles to Providence Hospital. But - Prov is off of 36th, might take 20 minutes in traffic to get there. From the airport to MatSu Regional is roughly 45 miles, maybe an extra 30 minutes..........and probably less than that if Todd was in a hurry!
Oh and this was Sarah's 5th child. I would think she knew what labor is all about and when the baby was coming.
I'm really sorry people are suggesting jumping off of tall buildings. This would not be a good thing to do. t could be fatal.
Sapwolf,
I didn't bother tearing out of the kitchen (making dinner), when I heard Cavuto's tease since I thought all the C4P'ers would be all over it.
Perry did indeed throw SP under the bus by naming a slew of up-and-coming Repubs -- and she wasn't one of them.
And bizarro to boot, he was on to defend Palin from John F'n Kerry's slam and never mentioned her name there either.
Sarahpac funds? I think not.
Come to think of it, since Sarah was in full blown labor while on this flight why hasn't anyone come forward that was on the flight to say they saw Sarah Palin doing Lamaze breathing on the plane because "Man, we knew she was going to give birth any second."
Surely a passenger would have come forward to say they were on the flight and saw Palin obviously in distress from being in labor.
My husband travels most every week for his job so he flies most every week. If someone was in labor on a flight he was on he would be telling me about it. Surely a passenger from this flight, at least one, would do the same thing. Why haven't these TrigTruthers gotten a passenger to give an eye witness account? She flies coach for goodness sake...anyone...anyone....anyone...is that crickets I hear?
Are these people really this sick...I went tp Alaska Report and read this...do they just put it out there and do not care if it true or not? 3 more complaints could happen...but the IRS thing do not you know if the Palins were being looked at by the IRS that would have been out a long time ago..
I just don't understand how a person lives with them self knowing that almost every thing that comes out of their mouth is a lie and is just to hurt another person... it is more than my heart can take in...
From the AlaskaReport
Three more ethics complaints against Palin in the works
AlaskaReport has learned that at least 3 more ethics complaints will be filed against Sarah Palin in the near future. Of course her cronies at the Personnel Board will probably sweep them under the rug - but at least the crimes will have a light shined upon them before they do... Also - A long simmering embezzelment/IRS scandal is still being looked at by the feds. Stay tuned...
I don't know about the rest of you here, but these Palin haters amaze me. I have worked all my life. Been interested in politics. Joined many clubs and organizations, etc. but,
I have never in my life known people that hate other people when they don't personally know them.
I can understand not liking the positions Palin takes on issues or how she governs. That is Ok.
But to hate her just to be hating someone is beyond my understanding.
Can someone explain it to me??
How would AKReport know the IRS was looking into GOV Palin? Since when does the IRS auditors tell the local media? If they did then the auditor must be fired. If she is getting audited by the IRS big deal. Not the 1st or last American. HEck if they fine small errors they are corrected on the spot.
Not really worried about the ethics complaints. Nobody takes them serious anymore.
juju,
>>to hate her just to be hating someone is beyond my understanding. Can someone explain it to me?? It's both simple and complex, but basically it's simple. Life is simple.
I know what you mean. Michael Savage and Ann Coulter have the best explanation, I won't go into it here.
When you say
>> I can understand not liking the positions Palin takes on issues or how she governs.
- I agree too. But next time you hear someone take this position, ask them:
"Which of her policies don't you like and why?"
"What don't you like they way she governs"?
you'll hear parrots talking.
RAM - Looked closely through the post. Sandra is clearly a trig-truther. What part of 5 births does the loon not understand.
VO, "Down's Syndrome" is also correct as it is named after Dr. John Down. Your own link gives this information. Your remark concerning the name of the syndrome was a bit petty, wasn't it?
Patrick,
Wouldn't your logic be more consistent with whether or not Barack Obama is Constitutionally qualified to POTUS? Why spend millions on legal fees when he could just produce his Birth Certificate?
If, by your logic, Sarah Palin is not Trig's mother then CLEARLY Barack Obama is not eligible to be POTUS.
So, which is it? The reality for both is option d) it would be beneath both of them to deal with it on an official level, so they ignore it.
If you kept googling, you'd find that the BC that was presented "on his behalf" was already proven to be a fake. If it were, in fact, real.... it would have been splashed all over MSNBC when they were going to bat for him in defense. In addition, there wouldn't be Representatives in the House circulating a request for signatures for a bill that would make future candidates present their BC before being allowed to run for President.
Better luck next time.
"Tell me why I like this link"
Why you like it? Hmmmm... my best guess would be... because you're a hate monger?
Am I close?
Every mother has her birth stories. Personal examples don't really make much of an argument because it is a sample of one. Medical personnel operate on scientific studies in which large samples have been studied. It would be difficult to find one obstetrician who would advise a woman to fly a long distance after her amniotic fluid started leaking without first checking whether it was amniotic fluid and giving a physical exam.
Why was a speech more important than a medical exam?
Every mother has her birth stories. Personal examples don't really make much of an argument because it is a sample of one. Medical personnel operate on scientific studies in which large samples have been studied. It would be difficult to find one obstetrician who would advise a woman to fly a long distance after her amniotic fluid started leaking without first checking whether it was amniotic fluid and giving a physical exam.
Why was a speech more important than a medical exam?
Sandra, you need to go talk to the folks claiming that Sarah Palin can't be Trig's mother because she was smaller with him than with Piper.
I find it amusing that the same side opining that abortion is a "private matter between a woman and her doctor" would make an argument that Palin's advice from her doctor on her pregnancy is merely anecdotal and, as such, should be rejected.
This entire subject disgusts me which is probably why it only gets traction with idiotic leftists (not intelligent principled ones, and there are some out there who have intelligence and principles) who engage in double standards and hatred.
Oh, and FYI, I won't read Wonkette for the same reason I don't read Meghan McCain, because she uses so much foul language -- yet another tool of the weak-minded.
Oh wow Patrick, you found a story on the internet that says something's true so it must be true! Seriously, have you ever heard of a primary source? Your own link says there is no primary source material available unless you're an Obama, who chose not to get it, so this will stay a "he said, she said" fight.
(And RAM, I am not saying anything about the birth certificate, just that Patrick's attempt at "proof" was lame.)
It's a good thing that the Governor has a security detail when you consider all these nutty folks around here who knows what might happen.
I think it's great these folks are keeping the trig smears alive since it makes the Governor's opposition look fringe and as a result sane people won't take their legitimate criticisms seriously in the future.
This attention on Sarah Palin's pregnancy and comments insinuating her parenting are out of line...plain and simple. I am a maternity health care provider who can attest that none of this is any of our business, and those who persist should be dismissed and ignored. The more attention put on them the more it drives them to continue. Though I am a moderate, I am angry that some insist on pursuing questioning on this point. It is a betrayal of privacy and simply hateful and unkind.
It's "Hypocrisy".
Late to this thread, oh well. My daughter had the same doctor who is Sarah Palin's OB/GYN. She was the 2002 American Academy of Family Physicians Family Physician of the Year, so she's no country saw-bones. She's also spectacular with kids.
This guy Munger is just another hate-blogger, who I am surprised has time to write between court appearances for Felony drug possession and underage drinking violations.
http://www.courtrecords.alaska.gov/pa/pa.urd/pamw2000.o_case_sum?33681493
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