Friday, July 3, 2009

UPDATED: Another Letter to Jonah Goldberg



I was working away on this piece when VO suddenly raced past me and got his retaliation in first. I thought about binning my scriblings, but changed my mind in the end. We cover different aspects of his column, so perhaps the two are best read together as one collective effort.

Dear Jonah,

You’re blowing up the conservative movement.

We’ve never met, though I have published the occasional article on your website NRO and have met some of your colleagues at various functions over the years. I’ve been known to forward some of your pieces to friends and colleagues. You use humor to great effect, and combine a firm grasp of conservative first principles with an open mind and a combative spirit. You’re a fine product of the American conservative intellectual revolution. You have every right to be proud of your accomplishments.

Unfortunately, these accomplishments are turning into a serious problem. I say this after reading your latest column, an open letter to Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. I will ignore your glib comments about her becoming a “laughing stock”, or her “whining” about press coverage, though I think they are unbecoming of a serious commentator such as yourself and are a clear violation of Reagan’s Eleventh Commandment. Our readers are much better placed than I am to refute these and other accusations you make in the course of your article, so I suggest that once you’ve finished reading my post, you check out the comment section for a point by point rebuttal of your accusations.

My purpose, however, is not to defend the Governor but to ask you whether you seriously considered what it was you were hoping to achieve in writing this letter before actually publishing it. Let’s consider the options. Formally speaking, your piece is couched in the language of advice. You suggest she should avoid doing and saying certain things, and actively seek to do others. But the abovementioned glib remarks, and your opening and closing statements (“You’re blowing it”, “you won’t win the nomination. More important, you won’t deserve to”) and your main piece of advice to her (“Stay home and do your job and your homework”) suggest that this wasn’t really meant as a letter of exhortation. So if not a letter of advice, what then?

Having read your letter several times, I can’t escape the notion that it reads more like a declaration of war. You are angry, and you seem to think you have every right to feel that way. But angry about what? I think it boils down to this. You fully recognize that Governor Palin has a special political talent that in the course of human events only comes round once in a generation or so. Reagan had it, Clinton had it, Obama has it and Palin has it. 'It' being, of course, charisma. No one in the current Republican Party even comes close to her when it comes to working a room or moving a crowd. As you yourself observe, “[i]f money could buy what you have, Romney would have bought it all by now. Good politicians can learn how to win over audiences, but the great ones are born with the ability.” Quite so. Where the anger comes in is in your feeling that somehow this tremendous gift is wasted on the wrong politician. There is, you claim, a hunger for Republicans who can "effectively articulate and sell our policies and philosophy,” and well, Governor Palin is not that type of Republican - or so you have concluded. While the situation requires a “policy wonk”, all she’s capable of is “peddling a few platitudes and truisms about free markets and limited government.”

Let’s take a step back. You say there’s a hunger for politicians who can “effectively articulate and sell our policies and philosophy.” I’m sure such a hunger exists. But where exactly? Out there in what people in the DC-NYC corridor lovingly refer to as Flyover Country? I seriously doubt it. The reason people there responded so viscerally to Governor Palin’s candidacy was precisely because she was capable of addressing their everyday concerns in their language – the same platitudes and truisms about free markets and limited government that you talk about so condescendingly. And the reason they responded to it with such emotion was that this was the first time since Reagan that they encountered a politician who made them feel that she was for real about these things. Not just in the sense that she understood their concerns and believed in the things she said, but also in the sense that once elected, she was actually going to do what she promised to do. I don’t think a single person at her rallies expressed doubts about her ability to “effectively articulate and sell our policies and philosophy” - or even cared about it.

The only people who did that, were based in the DC-NYC corridor. It’s there that you find this “hunger” for “wonks” that you talk about. It exists among a new class of people who, through their actions, threaten to destroy the entire conservative movement. I am referring to a conservative intellectual class that has developed over the last few decades. During the Goldwater years and the Reagan revolution, the policy wonks were just part of the gang. There weren’t too many of them anyway, because conservatives were mainly men of action, not men of letters. Through the works of people like William F. Buckley they did, however, develop a sense of appreciation for the importance of ideas and of how ideas can help to change society – together with actions of course. Their donations and endowments helped to create a network of conservative intellectual institutions: think tanks, magazines, colleges. These were meant to create an army of foot soldiers to help fight – and ultimately win – the battle for people’s hearts and minds. But the foot soldiers are no longer willing to serve. Instead, they believe that they are destined to lead. Like Plato’s golden class, they consider themselves at once both removed from and elevated above the rest of the conservative movement. And they will accept no leader who isn’t one of them, able like them to “effectively articulate and sell our policies and philosophy.”

Jonah, I’ve actually worked in government, and I’ve got news for you: these men make at best unremarkable and at worst utterly useless administrators. To borrow from the works of the great Isaiah Berlin: a hedgehog (like Reagan), who knows a few things really well, generally makes a much better president than a fox (like Obama) who knows so many things that he can’t tell which ones really matter. A president doesn’t need to be clever. A president needs to have backbone, and an iron will to actually do what he - or she - said he/she would do. Things like giving the country back its sense of pride. Cleaning up the budget mess. Keeping the country safe. And making America once again that shining city on a hill that its founding fathers had meant it to become. For everything else you have speechwriters, and one page briefing notes.

So where do we go from here? You basically have two options now. One is to continue down the path that you have now set out on: to seek to destroy the electoral hopes of the one candidate who can deliver your movement the two terms in office that you need to reshape your country’s fortunes because she doesn't meet your exacting intellectual standards. If you do that, you will most likely end up in open war with your party’s grassroots and the talk radio hosts who collectively seem to have adopted Governor Palin as their champion. Even if you win – which you won’t, by the way, because intellectuals can never match the zeal of truly committed activists – it will be impossible for the ‘wonkish’ candidates that you admire to rebuild the party around their candidacy. The grassroots would rather vote for the other guy than support the candidate of the faction that destroyed their political hero and expressed contempt for their common sense ideas and ideals. [This, btw, is the reason why I think Mitt Romney has no chance to win the presidency while Governor Palin is around. He has allowed himself to be defined as the anti-Palin candidate, thereby alienating the grassroots on which his eventual presidential campaign would depend. His campaign would be like McCain 2008, only without the Palin factor].

There is, though, another option, one that would actually help to heal the rift that you – and people like you: the Peggy Noonans, Charles Krauthammers, George Wills etc - created and that might even help to further the cause you claim to defend. That option is to do what your great predecessor William F. Buckley did with Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan, namely to actually take Governor Palin seriously as a presidential candidate. To challenge, rather than insult, her intelligence. To invite her opinion on issues, perhaps even to actively engage her in discussion about the ideas you care about. Radical perhaps, but worth a try, don’t you think? As her meetings with the editors of that other conservative magazine, and her informal policy lunch at CSIS with people like Frank Carlucci and Strobe Talbot during her recent visit to Washington DC have shown, she's certainly interested in meeting with people who deal in ideas. And the good news is: she’s only a tweet away @AKGovSarahPalin. Give it a try, why don’t you?

Kind regards,

Joshua Livestro

Update JL: Goldberg's response to his (many) critics fails to convince me, I'm afraid. The issue isn't whether Governor Palin (or any other politician for that matter - apart from the perfect Mitt Romney, of course, about whom more anon) needs sound advice. Of course she does. The question is whether sentences like "You're blowing it" and "Stay home and do your job and your homework" really qualify as 'advice'. You're talking to a governor and a former vicepresidential candidate, after all, not to a dog. Any adviser who doesn't know the difference has no business advising anyone.

79 comments:

wisetrog July 3, 2009 10:10 AM  

Oh goody, three letters now.

I love this part:
Where the anger comes in is in your feeling that somehow this tremendous gift is wasted on the wrong politician. There is, you claim, a hunger for Republicans who can "effectively articulate and sell our policies and philosophy,” and well, Governor Palin is not that type of Republican - or so you have concluded.

Yours is the best of the three.

Videmus Omnia July 3, 2009 10:12 AM  

wisetrog, agreed - love Josh's letter.

Whoa, Baby! July 3, 2009 10:14 AM  

From the middle (my politics), I think he got it just right. That is something to consider if you are trying to convert people to your way of thinking. Just a thought.

Doug (formerly DB) July 3, 2009 10:15 AM  
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Doug (formerly DB) July 3, 2009 10:16 AM  

Joshua,
Wow! I'm sure glad you reconsidered "binning" this. Awesome rebuttal to Goldberg's piece.

Robert_Paulson July 3, 2009 10:16 AM  

Anyone know the next major events on Governor Palin's schedule? Is the Alaska leg back in session this fall? Is the Governor traveling to the lower 48 in the next few months?

Doug (formerly DB) July 3, 2009 10:17 AM  

Joshua,
I just Freeped this. Hope you don't mind...

alwaysfiredup July 3, 2009 10:23 AM  

It's easy for any voter to call himself "the middle". Given our multidimensional politics it's a meaningless term; someone in "the middle" probably just holds an amalgam of left and right policy viewpoints. But Sarah's problem isn't with any particular point on an ideological scale. I'm a dem and she appeals to me. Many on this site are rabid conservatives and she appeals to them. She instead has to fight against people who have already decided that she is not to be taken seriously. You don't have to have any particular politics to belong to that club. Our trolls and JG and CK and too many other media types to name absolutely refuse to really look at her seriously. I personally think it's because they are sexist pigs, but who knows.

Fortunately we back a candidate who does not know the meaning of quit, who will work as hard as she has to as long as eventually she crosses that finish line. She is an inspiration to me.

AmeriCuda July 3, 2009 10:26 AM  
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john July 3, 2009 10:30 AM  

Great. Favorite part:

"[S]he's certainly interested in meeting with people who deal in ideas. And the good news is: she’s only a tweet away @AKGovSarahPalin. Give it a try, why don’t you?"

Goldberg's opinion is uninformed. The zinger at the end was perfect.

Jenny July 3, 2009 10:31 AM  

Another great letter.
All I ask of these elitists, intellectuals is to go visit the governor and engage in conversation. None of these people ever met her. They believe the crap spewed by the liberal MSM that only seek to destroy Obama's only competition.
That is why we say that the elitists are out of touch with the rest of America. They look down on us and think we're the dummies.
News for you, the Harvard, Yale, Ivy Leagues types are the ones that brought us down economically. The ones in the White House are embarrassing us internationally.
What lacks is common sense which Palin has tons of.

Al B. July 3, 2009 10:35 AM  

This is a GREAT piece of writing. Thank you.

Bill in Baltimore July 3, 2009 10:45 AM  

Joshua,

fabulous.

Thank you.

techno July 3, 2009 10:53 AM  

Of all the people who will be disappointed in this piece will be Mark Levin who had Jonah on recently to push is paperback version of Liberal Fascism.

There must be some strange drugs going around Washington now.

Nancy July 3, 2009 10:55 AM  

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techno July 3, 2009 10:55 AM  

Goldberg must be on HA's payroll. Another 1500+ posting after the thread is established.

Sheya July 3, 2009 10:56 AM  

Joshua
Great letter. Thanks
All 3 are great and each come from a different angle. Jonah should be quite busy taking in those thoughts. Wonder if he’ll respond.

Bill in Baltimore July 3, 2009 11:00 AM  

you just wait . . . with Jonah Goldberg and others beating their drums and getting support from the lefties and RINO's, wait until some politician, academician, or entertainer goes off the reservation and says "If I die, I die. This is too important".

Dr. Dobson tells a story in his "Preparing for Adolescence" series about 10 students who all said "Line A is longer than Line B", even though clearly this was a false statement. In almost all cases, Student # 11 also said "yeah, I agree", when his eyes and his mind told him "This isn't right". But he sided with the crowd.

When the experiment was changed so that one of the 10 planted students said, "no, I disagree with you people. Line B is longer", then the 11th student invariably stood by the assertion that Line B was longer, since that is what his eyes and his mind told him.

Analogy: This nation is gathering steam, because we know SP
- is not a dimwit, in fact the opposite
- HAS been studying, in fact, for a very long time, ostensibly since she was a child
- tells it like it is

Because our eyes and minds tell us that this woman is right on, whether it is kitchen talk, Governor's talk, energy talk, and dare I say it? No, I won't.

So someone, somewhere, will tell it like it is: SP is the real deal. And then watch the stampede.

God bless you Sarah Palin.
And God bless C4P, RAM et al.

Sheya July 3, 2009 11:07 AM  

Those beltway republicans are shooting themselves in the foot. What if Sarah wins the nomination (which she will if she runs) presumably they will all – like it or not - rally behind her. Everything negative anyone has said about her will surface and be used to challenge them. It certainly won’t help that instead of challenging Obama those republicans will be occupied defending their previous opinions of Sarah.

gardunne63 July 3, 2009 11:16 AM  

What if the Republicans gave a convention in 2012 and no one showed up?

Anonymoose July 3, 2009 11:23 AM  
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techno July 3, 2009 11:27 AM  

To Goldberg's main points:

1)"Oh, you're still taking flak, but not because you strike fear in the hearts of Democrats. You taking flak because you're striking fear in the hearts of Republicans."

Like Mike Allen you are denying reality. Who do you think directly or indirectly put the Alaskan anklebiters up to destroying Sarah Palin and who do you really think was BEHIND the concept of the Vanity Fair article (Todd Purdom is a lefty who even rankled Bill Clinton) and who put up the Huffington Post and the Daily Kos to tout Mitt Romney's Presidential credentials: Obama and his war room.

Sure the GOP establishment and the RINO's want Palin out of the picture but they don't play as vicious as Obama does.

You are simply being disingenuous to denying the Democrats fear her. Need I mention both the Letterman and Kerry apologies and the Messiah's gaffe on the 'Special Olympics on Leno's program.

2)"But while McCain's strategist do not conver themselves in glory for scapegoating you, you are not without blame either. You do seem to think the best advice is for you to stay just the way you are."

Again Jonah you are being disingenuous. Sarah Palin as McCain's running mate was given a series of talking points which she had to mimic and that is what she did. Sure Sarah did not perform well in the Couric interview but you neglect to point out the falsehoods of the wardrobe controversy and the reason that Palin probably went rogue was simply because Schmidt had thrown in the towel because he had concluded victory was impossible (Delaware University mea culpa). You also do not mention Palin's stunning debut in her convention debate and her overwhelming victory in her debate over Biden. To blame for what, that even with the worst financial meltdown in 70 years that McCain still won 22 states and only lost by 7.2%.

3)"...you're whining about unfair press coverage."

This is an outright lie. Jonah, you should come over to C4P more often and read the postings or go over to Sarah's Facebook or Twitter accounts. Sarah does not comment on unfair press coverage except that it relates to the smearing or trashing of her children. Sarah has constantly repeated that she is NOT a victim-"I'm the politician-take your shots at me". Again an outright lie.

4)"Politics is ultimately about persuasion..."

What do call getting the thumbs up of 84% of white evangelical Republicans, 80% of conservative Republicans, 61% of moderate Republicans, and 73% of all Republicans?

5)"peddling a few platitudes and truisms about free markets and limited government is no substitute for really knowing what you're talking about..."

From the CK school of logic. What Jonah and CK consider platitudes and truisms Sarah considers here core beliefs and her interpretation of Reagan conservatism. And you fail to mention any of Sarah's speeches like her Lincoln dinner speech, her pro-life speech in Evansville and her intro to Michael Reagan in Anchorage where she eviscerates Obama's agenda and draws blood on every single ocdcasion with substantive assertions. And of course you completely ignore the Lauer and Blitzer interviews.

6)"Do...your homework."

This is what I have been writing about as well. But unlike you Jonah who is dubious that Sarah has the motivation or inclination to do it, I know that Sarah will do whatever it takes to prepare herself for the Presidential road ahead (if she runs). Sarah always rises to the occasion. The primary season will be no different.

Anne July 3, 2009 11:45 AM  

This is a great video I stumbled on for Sarah - it's to Pat Green's "What I'm For"...very fitting for July 4th, and boiling down to what Sarah really stands for!

Check it out!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRkycEM28To

Bill in Baltimore July 3, 2009 11:47 AM  

It seems to me that most C4P'ers agree Sarah should "do her homework", in other words, she is NOT ready until she "does her homework".

to me, the big lie of this argument is that you have to be intimately knowledgeable of every corner of the earth, every economic nuance of all countries, every military operation, etc. etc.

It's the lie borne out of the belief that the President is God.

they made Bush out to be the God they hate, who allows bad things to happen. EVERYTHING was his responsibility, including airlifting everyone out of New Orleans even AFTER they had been warned to go.
(which, really, when you get right down to it spiritually, is reflective not only of our ultimate destiny, but of the rebellion that their might be an unsavory ultimate destiny)

- So they said, "ha, you can't solve every problem" and so they destroy him (reflective of rebellion against God)

they now make Obama ought to be God, that everything is says is pure and just and right and that he's so wise and esteemed. All BHO really does is what other people tell him to do.
- their actions are reflective in the NEED for God

But I digress. Has not Sarah ALREADY done her homework ? Have you seen the types of things she really does read ? Her favorite authors ?

Does she still need to do her homework? yes, like anyone who wants to stay current and sharp.

But I reject the idea that she is not ready for prime time.

Of any of the republican candidates, what would happen in an unscripted debate / discussion with her ? Smoked.

And is it really the point that she should win Political Jeopardy in order to be qualified for POTUS ?

The "She needs to study" argument is an attempt to discredit her from both sides. And people here succumb to this point.

What should Sarah do differently to improve her chances ? NOTHING (in a manner of speaking, let me make my point).

she should CONTINUE TO DO WHAT SHE HAS ALWAYS DONE, which INCLUDES BEING WELL READ AND WELL GROUNDED.

I know it's a tough sell in that people think she isn't ready, but I don't buy the argument that we are all on the same side of the street yelling at her "Study up, girl, study up".

Do you seriously think she went home last night and said, 'Hey Todd, they're saying I should study up more, do you think that's a good idea?"

No, what she said was, "hey Todd, where's Mark's book ? I'm almost done with it".

ka-ching.

TexMex July 3, 2009 11:48 AM  

That the AK leg is full of assclowns, but even in their jackassery the AK people have an even better AG serving them?

"Safe, solid choice..." it's a political appointment not a stool sample..you don't go safe and solid in politics. That'st how you end up in the minority.

Hell of an article, JL!
Forgot who wrote it above but sure would be funny if the GOP threw its convention in 2012 with Romney and nobody showed up.

r.mcdonald July 3, 2009 11:49 AM  

"The person that speaks first seems to be right until another comes by and questions them" Good rebuttal-- the only thing I would ad or possible change is the "an intellectual can never match the zeal of a truly committed activist" part-- I consider myself a thoughtful person and am willing to stand side by side with Gov. Palin and do what ever I can to get her elected in 2012-- Because I see in her that she understands the simple truth " that I might know the truth that I might become right" a person that knows that is head and shoulders above someone who does not grasp that truth and thinks "they" are right. That is her strength because truth is that thing that sets people free--maybe I'm wrong' but thats the way I see it

Firelight July 3, 2009 11:55 AM  

I have to admit that the advice Jonah gives is not bad. I do think that Palin is the 'it' girl. I do think she is our best hope but I also agree that she can grow. Clearly she is very intelligent and astute. Fred Malek agrees in his latest statement. He also states that she is very up to date on many issues.

I think Palin's problem is that she doesn't articulate beyond sound bites (at this point) on issues other than energy, abortion and special needs. She is passionate and convincing on her core issues but since she hasn't offered the same passion and depth to her comments on economy, foreign policy etc... Many assume incorrectly that she is lacking.

I believe that Palin's choice of her new AG is a move to educate herself and become a policy wonk on foreign affairs. I think she has it down for the economy she just hasn't shown her hand.

However, sadly I must say that I too agree that it seems lately that Palin does come across a bit whiny. She only fights back on personal tabloid issues and not on policy.

My advice to Palin is to be more proactive and not so reactive. Get out and do policy talk on Fox News. Don't worry at this point about being on other news stations. Stick with Fox and conservative radio. Talk about new issues like the economy, foreign policy and education. You have had your say on energy, abortion and special needs and you are credible. Ignore personal attacks for the time being and don't address them in your appearances. Only talk policy. Go on O'Reilly, Chris Wallace, Cavuto and Beck. You have done Greta and Hannity. Don't write a book about you life. You aren't that old. Instead surprise everyone and write a book about your in-depth, detailed vision for America and the road map to get there. Save the memoir for the second book. Run for re-election to prove that you can win again and to solidify your experience. Surprise everyone and learn several foreign languages, even Obambi doesn't have this skill. Start with Chinease, Russian and Arabic. You have the intelligence to do it but keep it a secret until you run for POTUS. Spend the next couple of years proving you are a policy wonk with heart. Don't change who you are just expand it. Build a team to fight your battles for you and start thinking county by county. Hire the Hillbuzz guys. They are brilliant at this and very loyal to you.

JMHO and I hope to be voting for Palin in 2012!!

techno July 3, 2009 12:02 PM  

bill in baltimore;

When some people say 'do your homework' it is meant as an insult or to be derogatory.

When I discussed the issue as I did in the Sunday open thread I went into great length of what I meant about DOING YOUR HOMEWORK and in no way was I being critical of Sarah Palin or her intelligence or competence.

What I was trying to do is to lay out for the non political junkie the level of preparation that ANY presidential aspirant, including Sarah Palin, must undergo.

Consider it like boot camp to prepare for war, attending football training camp to learn your playbook, a figure skater who is put through her paces in preparation for the Olympics, or a Broadway company doing several dress rehearsals to iron out the kinks before debuting and unveiling their new play to the public.

johnfromcanada July 3, 2009 12:05 PM  

I think Bill in Baltimore is on to something. Those who say "Sarah should study" seem to have this vision of her hiding out in the Wasilla library for the next two years and reading up on world events and world history. Actually, they would like that because it would keep her out of the spotlight.

Now no doubt, she has to be reasonably current and start formulating direction if not specific policies on foreign affairs. But there's lots of people with great knowledge who don't necessarily have the wisdom to do the right thing. The point is that once the facts of a particular sitation are presented to Sarah I trust that she has the WISDOM to do the right thing. A professor needs knowledge. But a great leader needs wisdom above all else. And Sarah has it. In fact, I think that if she her statements become TOO specific now, they will be brought up and used against her in future campaigns. And darn it, the world is changing all the time, so don't get too boxed in on specifics, other than to outline general policy directions.

As for the Beltway and RINO types - it seems to me they'd rather lose with Romney than win with Sarah. Hard to fathom.

DarkGravity July 3, 2009 12:13 PM  

" and the talk radio hosts who collectively seem to have adopted Governor Palin as their champion."

Disagree with that. I think they're still out on that. But they have identified the very thing of DC Republicans being out of touch with their base.

Bill in Baltimore July 3, 2009 12:18 PM  

techno,

I did not have you in mind at all in my post, in fact, you articulate it well.

It just galls me that so many say "do your homework" [translation, you are not ready yet].

Can someone give ONE example on something that she should do her homework on that she HAS DEMONSTRATED A LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OF ?

Fireflight, I glanced at your post and that just irritated me. You should be at he knee learning how to run a state and gov't in general.

Please, one example.

FF, you also say
>>
I think Palin's problem is that she doesn't articulate beyond sound bites
- Please give me an example of a "soundbite" that has no substance behind it. PLEASE.

FF, you also have a giveaway on where you really stand:
>>sadly blah blah blah

you say whiny ? GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE. JUST ONE. GO FOR TWO IF YOU WANT, BUT ALL I ASKING FOR IS ONE WHINY EXAMPLE.

I listen to her A LOT and she has A LOT OF DEPTH.

the reason she has DEPTH is she has a FOUNDATION. She is GROUNDED IN PRINCIPLE.

A leader sets the vision, leads by example, but doesn't write a thesis on EVERY SUBJECT UNDER THE SUN.

is it possible to play a gotcha game with her ? Sure, but that's lame and insidious.

Can she talk intelligently on every single earmark / boondogle that came out of the stimu-less?

Can she run GM ? Can she talk intelligently about the supply chain of a car maker ? Can she discuss etc. etc. etc.

No, but she can articulate the principles of a free market and the role of government. WHICH SHE HAS ALREADY DONE AND WHICH SHE DOES EVERY SINGLE DAY.

This is a lie that perpetuates she needs to "do her homework" BECAUSE SHE ISN'T READY NOW.

Will she be better prepared in 2012 than she was in 2008. Of course, but don't sound like the Dems / RINO's do, as they snort "She's not ready yet"

just not you, techno. I'm with you.

Doug (formerly DB) July 3, 2009 12:30 PM  

Joshua is right when he says, paraphrasing, that policy wonk types don't make good administrators. They tend to get bogged down in small details and are completely unable to see the big picture. This was the difference between Reagan and Carter and, I believe, between Governor Palin and Romney. We always knew where Reagan was coming from because he had a clear vision and was a big picture guy, as is Palin.

techno July 3, 2009 12:31 PM  

bill from Baltimore:

I take the middle ground between you and CJ who claim that Palin is ready now to be POTUS and those like CK and Goldberg who imply sarcastically that Palin is a dunce and no matter what she does she will never be ready.

My position is that Sarah Palin is not as ready as she is going to be in two years as Tiger Woods was not prepared from a golf efficiency or golf execution point of view to win 4 majors in a row to 2-3 years later. Remember TW won the Masters in 1997. Am I being critical of TW by making such a comment-not at all?

And for Sarah Palin I feel the same way. Never in a million years would I ever imply that Sarah is a dunce or chopped liver.

TangledThorns July 3, 2009 12:33 PM  

The slime this week has been ridiculous. I'm thankful that this should be over this holiday weekend and that Sarah Palin has stayed out of the fray.

Sheya July 3, 2009 12:33 PM  

Is Sarah Ready to be president yet? Of course not. Who is? Which president was ready 4 years prior to being elected?
Was Obama ready 4 years ago? Was Bush ready in 1996? Clinton in 88? Reagan in 76? The one you might say was ready is Bush the elder and with all is readiness and experience lost his re-election bid. Most of them weren’t even known 4 years out.

Sarah does have something no other candidate had 4 years out, recognition the support and mostly the knowledge that so many “simple” people are thirsting for her to lead. With that knowledge she has enough time to get a grip of things so when the time comes to announce she’ll be more ready than any of her predecessors. Now that’s something.

Firelight July 3, 2009 12:38 PM  

Bill in Baltimore, you have no idea where I stand. I have maxed out donations to both Sarahpac and the Alaska fund.

I never said that Sarah's sound bites aren't intelligent. I just said they are in depth and that can cause some to wonder.

I don't think it is a betrayal of Sarah to give constructive criticism. Everyone can change, grow and learn. I do NOT believe she needs to hide away while she studies and learns. I also don't think she needs to know everything.

What I would like is for her to have some shock value in a good way. I believe the best revenge is success. The policy wonks criticize her so I believe she should prove them wrong. I would love to see the faces of anyone lib or cons if she could speak several languages like Condi Rice. Not because she needs to or has to but just shock effect and I do believe she is intelligent enough to do so.

As for whining. I am a woman. I have no other candidate I support like I do Sarah. When she stood up on the Today show with Matt Lauer I thought it was brilliant. However, the constant stream of comments from Stapleton and then the same comments on Blitzer were overload for me. Her pipeline success got lost in the process. I would have liked her to have told Wolf that she made her statement on the Today show and now she has business to tend to. Then no one could accuse her of whining. That is all.

We can't become like Obamabots where no criticism is allowed. Sarah is the next Reagan. I believe that but just like Reagan, she can grow.

Don't criticize me for something you know nothing about.

CCRWM July 3, 2009 12:40 PM  

I sent Mr Goldberg an email too. I'm really disappointed that he would also take a shot at Palin and in such an annoying and condescending way.

I think something is afoot here lately. This is too weird how she is taking flack from so many when she is actually just governing AK and minding her own business. I wonder two things:

Either she hasn't raised enough money to be taken seriously and they know it and are jumping ship now so as not to be associated with her even though her Pac was set up toa avoid ethics charges and to help other conservative.

or,

She has raised a lot of money and the Obama camp and elitist D.C. beltway Republicans feel threatened and are trying to knock her support out.

Whatever it is, it's evil as are those behind it.

Anne thanks for the YouTube link. Loved the video.

Sheya July 3, 2009 12:40 PM  

Another thing. When Palin was announced Obama was asked what makes him more experienced then Palin? His answer: “I have been campaigning for 22 month”. If that’s all that’s needed to qualify to be president, come 2012 Sarah can answer (sarcastically) “Technically I have been campaigning for 50 Months”.

Bill in Baltimore July 3, 2009 12:42 PM  

Techno,

I'm with you.

On a 45 degree angle upward (like a Sales Chart of Ipods), she's at position 10,10 and all her competitors are at 4,3

As you say, in two years she'll be like 50, 50 and the others ? who cares, they'll be far behind.

Who EXACTLY is the INTELLECTUAL, the LEADER, the VISIONARY, that is so elusive that CK and others are so dismissive of her?

Please, who should she emulate (in their eyes).

Today my daughter was discouraged about finding an apt. in DC. I wasn't trying to be flippant, irreverent, or sarcastic. I was totally serious when I asked her, "Well what do you think Sarah would do" (Answer, not be discouraged)

KentonAK July 3, 2009 12:43 PM  
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gardunne63 July 3, 2009 12:45 PM  

Oh, and another thing that bothers me when the pundits used that tired line of "Reagan never complained about his bad press." This is probably their weakest arguement, IMO.

As far as Reagan's amount of press he had covering him in the '70's and '80's, he might as well been living and politicking in the 1930's compared to the amount of press covering any candidate in the 21st century, especially the amount of press covering Sarah and her family. You cannot compare their relationships with the press of their respective periods. No way, no how.

Does any reasonable person really believe that if Reagan had had Politico, Huffington Post, DailyKos, MSNBC, Fox News, Salon, DrudgeReport, HotAir, and 1000's of other political bloggers following his every word and/or spewing misiformation, slander, and lies against Nancy 24/7 that he would not have thrown a "diva fit" a few times?

Plus, during Reagan's era, there were true broadcasters and investigative reporters. Not every social/political columnist had consistent air time. Most Americans knew Jack Anderson. And Jack Anderson as far as syndicated political columnists. William Safire maybe. That was about it. There wasn't enough time/room on the three networks (with a rising CNN still trying to find its way in the '80s) to give space to the Parkers, Noonans, Sullivans, Lowry's et al.

I have no respect for any so-called political professional who cannot tell the difference between the two eras. The 1980's were so, well, 1880's as far as 24/7 polical coverage goes.

Firelight July 3, 2009 12:46 PM  

CCRWM - I completely agree that you are on to something. I tend to think it is your latter observation.

I am hoping when numbers come out that SarahPac and the Alaska fund have raised significant money to the point that the beltway elites are worried. I hope I am not wrong but when you look at who the attacks are coming from you see Romney and policy wonk RINO fingerprints all over it. Especially since the latest poll put support for Sarah above Romney and everyone else. I don't think the attacks are actually coming from the left right now other than the standard characters. They seem to be partnered up with the Romney supporters and elitists.

Doug (formerly DB) July 3, 2009 12:52 PM  

Firelight,
I understand what you're saying but she was simply responding to questions. I wish she could have done both interviews entirely on the pipeline project too. However, she had to respond to the questions asked of her. Even she didn't want to talk about that stuff. I recall that when Lauer wanted to change the subject from the pipeline, she said "If we must". I took that to mean that she also would have preferred to stay on the much more important pipeline topic. I really don't see any way for her to avoid these extraneous issues other than giving speeches with no Q&A.

Bill in Baltimore July 3, 2009 12:52 PM  

Fireflight,

I would respond, but you did not answer one of my questions.

I'm glad you like Sarah and have maxed out your donations.

but when you say stuff like
>>sadly I must say that I too agree that it seems lately that Palin does come across a bit whiny
- that just comes across as EXACTLY what a lefty would say.

When you use the term "sadly", that implies we all should be "sad" for her, "she'll never make it", then you exacerbate the argument that she
>>Palin does come across a bit whiny
- Whiny? When ? Where ? What did she say.

I'll be happy to march side by side with you but I'm not convinced.

So, please, it would help me understand what your position is and allow me to better respond if you would just give some examples of what where behind some of your statements.

Here are my questions again:

- one example of what she said that was whiny

you said:
>>
I think Palin's problem is that she doesn't articulate beyond sound bites
- so again, please give me an example of a "soundbite" that has no substance behind it.

If you are a barbarian, you will answer me, and I will respond in kind.

CCRWM July 3, 2009 1:05 PM  

Fire...I hope it's the latter too except that it doesn't give her an opportunity to lay low and catch her breath. If the numbers come out big the attacks will double and though I think she can take it..she doesn't need it.

Firelight July 3, 2009 1:09 PM  

OK, Bill in Baltimore.

I did answer your question. Let us talk intelligently. Palin gets no help from the MSM. So as a good politician she must understand that whatever she says will be picked thru by the MSM to portray her in whatever light they want to portray her.

I gave the example of Letterman. She and Todd both came out with good strong statements. However, that wasn't it. Then Stapleton comes out with a few more responses. I agree with what Palin was saying and her right to defend but look what happened. It was all that they MSM played. Then she address Lauer and Blitzer. I do believe that a politician can tell Blitzer that she has already made a statement on the subject and that she has other business to discuss. If Blitzer had challenged her it would have been to her credit.

I didn't say that Palin was whiny. I said that sadly she has come across that way in media. Unfortunately in politics perception is very important.

As far as sound bites, I think I clarified that I don't disagree with anything she has said. I also understand that in a twisted media sound bites are very important because it gives them less to twist. However, I simply believe that she should accompany those sound bites with satellite appearances on shows such as Cavuto to discuss small government and low taxes or O'Reilly. She would do well on Beck and Lou Dobbs. She just needs to supplement her sound bites with in depth interviews on economics and foreign policy.

Sarah has the knowledge but I do not want to see her pigeon hole herself into energy only. As a politician you also have to attempt to manage perception as well. She just needs to use all her conservative TV/Radio abilities and not just Hannity/Greta. Sarah is feisty and smart. There is nothing sweeter than proving your critics wrong without losing yourself. I don't want Sarah to change her personality. I just want her expanding it.

You can believe me or not. I don't really care. I am not a lib and I don't need collective approval. I am very happy being an individual, thank you.

Firelight July 3, 2009 1:14 PM  

CCRWM- I agree that she doesn't need anymore attacks but I also agree with Beck. These attacks are inoculating her as well. Her baggage, so to speak, has been packed and unpacked repeatedly. She has proven to be teflon and Americans at this point don't want anymore surprises so I think it helps her. The attacks are always either petty or rehashed stuff. Beck says the best defense against swine flu is to get swine flu.

I do think she needs big numbers because if they aren't it doesn't bode well for her. She has been a massive fundraiser so far for other groups. I only hope that she can do the same for herself.

Bill in Baltimore July 3, 2009 1:32 PM  

FF,

thanks for sticking with this.

but you DID NOT GIVE ONE EXAMPLE as I asked. But ok, you say Letterman.

I saw both Lauer and Blitzer. They asked a question, she answered it. If she had not answered it, they would have sniped at her even more.

The nation wanted to here what she had to say, she responded professionally, personally, and protectively, as well as from a big-picture perspective.
- do YOU call that whiny ?

here's your quote:
>>sadly I must say that I too agree (emphasis mine) that it seems lately that Palin does come across a bit whiny.

Also, you did not clarify on soundbites. I assume you mean Couric and Gibson? Any others?

Ok, now you're talking Cavuto, etc. I totally agree.

you said
>>do not want to see her pigeon hole herself into energy only
- is she doing this ? It doesn't seem like it to me, considering national security in Alaska, social issues such as domestic violence in AK, free market principles in AGIA, helping Native Americans, suing against endangered species of Polar Bears, choosing life
- yes the media will do anything to sabotage her, I agree with your premise and fear, but like Lady Thatcher said "If I walk on water, they'll say I can't swim"

I can only believe what you write, and you wrote
I too agree (emphasis mine) that it seems lately that Palin does come across a bit whiny.

That's all. I think we've exhausted this, but I'll give you the last word.

redneckgal July 3, 2009 1:40 PM  

I would urge people here to go to Thomas Sowell's web page and click on columns, then click on current and archived columns. Scroll down to The Republican Civil War 3/17/09.This is a brilliant man who understands who Governor Palin is and what she stands for. He also understands why the republican party continues to fail. Sarah has it all!

CCRWM July 3, 2009 1:45 PM  

I just got a reply to my email to Goldberg...it was a link to his Corner response. I replied that his choice of emails to reprint was cowardly and disingenuous... I guess he wouldn't dare post the insightful ones written by VO or Joshua

gardunne63 July 3, 2009 1:47 PM  

"She just needs to use all her conservative TV/Radio abilities and not just Hannity/Greta. Sarah is feisty and smart."

Fireflight,

I do agree with this. Especially with the Hannity thing. He turns me off big time. I know many conservatives love him. Not this one.

She won't get elected to dog catcher if she doesn't get outside of the FNC house. She did this with Lauer and Wolf and did great. Keep the interviews live and she can start to own them.

Sarah's never going to be able to change her accent, her habit of throwing "ah shucks" comments in her speech. She can work, however, to slow down her delivery of sentences. Obama's sentences are rarely longer than 8 or 9 words and the world thinks he is one of our great orators. Sarah's sentences are often in the 35-50 word range without a semicolon. She can work on this however. She can practice with Peggy Noonan who has the habit of making the listener wait for each word as if the security of the Republic depends on what comes out of her mouth.

Bill in Baltimore July 3, 2009 1:55 PM  

gardunne,

you said
>>She can work, however, to slow down her delivery of sentences

totally agree with that. that is the only criticism I have WHATSOEVER, ha ha

Yogi41 July 3, 2009 1:56 PM  

Frankly, his 2nd letter is worse than the first one. Mitt doesn't need any advice? What?!

I wrote to dear Jonah and challenged him to write an entire about the wonders of Romney. I asked him to detail all of his accomplishments in the political realm, not the business world.

Mitt is 1-term mediocre Governor, a failed Senate candidate and a failed bid for the Presidency. CATO gave him a grade of C as a Governor.... and somehow, he's the candidate we're all supposed to rally around?

I know such an article will never be written by Jonah because no one will read it. Jonah knows who the person is that drives traffic to his articles - and that's Gov. Palin, not his colleague at NRO, Romney.

JeanA July 3, 2009 1:57 PM  

Some left wing liberal pervert writes a hit piece on Gov. Palin and people carry on like a bunch of animals. The election is 3 ½ years out and these clowns are acting like the election is tomorrow. I don’t see anyone telling Tim Pawlenty, Haley Barbour or others to go back to their states, study, and stay off the TV. This is really ticking me off because this is a woman thing and it should not be going on in this day and age.

gardunne63 July 3, 2009 2:00 PM  

Jonah's bias slipped too in his response to his critcs (turn of your emails if you can't take the heat) when he said that Mitt doesn't need any advice.

Umm, get back to us in the fall of 2012 when the "advisers" have basically convinced tens of millions of Republican grassrooters to stay at home. There can't be enough Mormons in this country to make up that difference. Mitt has no grassroot support beyond the members of the CLDS.

Steven July 3, 2009 2:03 PM  

Outstanding commentary from this blog. It continues to impress and show unparrelled relentlessness in the defense of Sarah Palin. I will ask that this blog be keen to keeping her grounded in conservatism across the board. In particular her new found "pragmatism" on cap and trade. Besides this i am completely in agreement about this treatment of Palin and for that matter all conservatives by the elites on the right. Very good points about the need for real reporting about this dichotomy in the party and the need for these elites to choose our nominee. They've been promoting Romney since 2006 and it didn't help in 2008 and won't work in 2012. Romney has an authenticity problem that just won't go away even though he is as clean as the windswept snow with regards to his personal life. But to me, his lack of family or personal issues, only makes him seem more inauthentic. Besides these elites on the right are only fooling themselves if they believe Romney will be beyond media and liberal caricatures simply because they think he can articulate and has the right college degrees. Look what they did to George Bush senior or recently to Jindal? So keep it up C4P, keep it up for conservatism!

gardunne63 July 3, 2009 2:04 PM  

I'm still waiting on that column that will advise us contraraians of how great a businessman Mitt would have been without his father's millions.

Mitt's business acumen!? Please give me details. Do your homework political columnists and advise us voters in detail of how great Mitt would be for our economy. GWB was supposed to have a lot of great biz experience along with that Harvard MBA and look where that got us. I see Mitt as nothing more than W with prettier hair but that's just me.

Basil Fawlty July 3, 2009 2:05 PM  

This is the letter I just sent to Jonah:

Dear Jonah,
You seem to have a pretty good grasp of conservative values and ideals, although to be completely honest, sometimes you do seem to come across as a bit of a metro sexual elitist.

Let’s see, you graduated from a historically female college in their first class to allow men, is that right? You have pretty much been involved in journalism most of your adult life and only burst onto the public scene on your mother’s coattails after her involvement in the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal? Before that no one had ever heard of Jonah Goldberg outside your immediate circle of family and friends. Why is this important? Well, with all due respect Mr. Goldberg, I submit that your background does not suggest that you’re a person who has the slightest clue about what mainstream, in-the-heartland Republicans want in a candidate.

You indicate that Republicans hunger for some “policy wonk” who can “articulate and sell our policies and philosophy.” Really? You mentioned Bobby Jindal - did you catch his rebuttal to the State of the Union speech? Inspiring it was not. Compare his speech to Sarah Palin’s remarkable acceptance speech! No comparison.

If what you said were true, then how did Sarah Palin top the field in a recent Kansas straw poll? Also, a recent Pew Research Center poll had her favorability among the GOP base way out in front of the others. In short – you’re off base my friend.

You opine: “For starters, every time I see you on TV, you’re whining about unfair press coverage.” Really? I have only seen her responding to direct questions from the media, mostly about attacks on her children. When asked by Matt Wower about Letterman’s personal comments comparing her to a “slutty fight attendant,” I thought her answer was both witty and Reaganesque! I’ve not seen any “whining” from Sarah Palin.

And then you lecture her that “leaders listen to advice they don’t necessarily want to hear.” That may well be true, but beyond that obvious cliché, what do you know about being a leader? Have you ever been one? I have. While what you say is true, it is equally true that a leader must know how to separate the bull from the herd, and more importantly a leader gets things done.

Gretta VanSustern interviewed Maj General Campbell, former commander of the Alaska National Guard, during the campaign. The general, a real leader who has known her for more than 12 years, said of Governor Palin’s trip to the Middle East to visit her troops: “When she came home to Alaska she brought back what soldiers desires were, what family needs were, and implemented those into law the following year. That’s what a Commander-in-Chief does, is take care of soldiers, take care of airmen and she does it exceptionally well.” Then Gretta asked: “Does she do her homework? Because you know, when you start a job there are lot’s of challenges, new topics, things you never expected. Is she intellectually curious, is she a hard worker, does she do her homework?” To which the general replied: “She is awesome! She’s a fast learner and in my opinion she’s on the go 24/7. She’s on her Blackberry, I talk to her on the phone, I have meetings with her and she is a quick learner. The stuff she had to learn about what the military does and the National Guard in Alaska, she learned in rapid-fire fashion so she was able to implement things that and help the soldiers and airmen in Alaska.”

Let me tell you something Jonah; Jimmy Carter was a very bright policy wonk – but a disaster as a president. Sarah Palin may not be a policy wonk, but she is a leader and she does know how to get things done! Talk is cheap – she has proven that she can walk the walk, not just talk the talk. And more importantly, she understands and appreciates the principles that founded this great nation. That, my friend, is what us rubes out here in the heartland want in a President – not a Jeopardy-winning policy wonk.

Respectfully,
(Me, Major USAF (ret) )

JeanA July 3, 2009 2:06 PM  

Hate mail, not from this site.

Yogi41 July 3, 2009 2:13 PM  

The only "open letter" to Gov. Palin I want to see right now is one from Rush. Imagine how well-written that one would be and imagine how quickly it would make the rounds in the media. His letter would shut these pundits up; at least for a little while.

Meanwhile, someone needs to write an article about Mitt. These D.C. pundits are going all-out with "advice" to Gov. Palin, in an attempt to boost Mitt as the ideal candidate. We react in frustration and some in outrage, and they snicker at the "ignorant masses".

Well let's put them on the defensive for once. Write a factual piece about Romney's political achievements and let these damned pundits stammer away at trying to defend him. It's about time we fight from an offensive position, rather than always be backpeddling on defense.

JeanA July 3, 2009 2:14 PM  

Mr. Basil Fawlty, May you be the one that ticked Jonah off?

Yogi41 July 3, 2009 2:18 PM  

LOL! Check out this open letter to Sarah Palin, from a reader at HotAir:

http://mattfinnish.wordpress.com/2009/07/03/an-open-letter-to-sarah-palin/


An Open Letter to Sarah Palin
By jacrews

Dear Sarah,

Dude, you’re completed BLOWING IT! I mean, come on, you’ve only got three and a half years ’til the next election! Why aren’t you talking about the situations in Anvilania? Why aren’t you discussing the problem of the exploding population of mollusks near waste water outfalls? Why aren’t you discussing the ant infestation in my kitchen?:

Really, all you’re doing is stupid Governor stuff up in Alaska. Please. Alaska? Really? Forget that stuff, you should be on Meet The Press and This Week, every, um, week. Just like George Will. Man, now that should be your template. You need an opinion on any issue of the day. Forget about concentrating on important principles and using those to guide your decisions. You have to be able to rattle off just enough about every subject so that we know you read the same article in the New York Times that we did.

Yeah, yeah, you have something that the people in showbiz call “It”. Bullpucky, says I. This is Washington we’re talking about! We don’t talk TO people here, we talk DOWN to the public and AT each other.

Take a page out of the Romney book, sure he’s wishy washy and still won’t admit his health-care plan was a disaster, but he does what we suggest. WHen he ran in a liberal state, he ran as a moderate who supported abortion, just like we said any Republican would have to.

You really should take our advice, I mean you’re not very bright, after all. Did you even apply to a College east of the Mississippi? We really do have your best interest at heart, sweetie.

Oh, and while you’re at it, loose the glasses. We’re all doing Lasik now, don’t you know.

Anonymoose July 3, 2009 2:22 PM  

Two more letters for Jonah Goldberg: F U

(Feeble undertaking. He and Krauthhammer and everyone else jumping on the stay-home-and-do-your-homework bandwagon can bolster their work with another "F" word: facts. Now, if they would only stay home and do their homework...)


Update: Judging from his response, he still hasn't done his homework.

gardunne63 July 3, 2009 2:23 PM  

It is anti-female, sexist, knuckle-dragging commentary from the lot of them.

They get away with telling a woman to STFU and go home and do your homework.

How dare you!!

Anne July 3, 2009 2:27 PM  

FROM POLITICO!

SARAH'S MAKING AN "ANNOUNCEMENT" FROM HER HOUSE IN WASILLA AT 3 PM EASTERN TIME TODAY!!!

Aghhh!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0709/Palin_to_make_announcement_from_Wasilla_at_3_.html

Firelight July 3, 2009 2:41 PM  

Bill in Baltimore,

Ok, I will stick with this and then I have to bow out due to family in town for Independence Day festivities.

On my comment that "I agree" that you have so bonded with :). I don't agree that Palin has been whiny. I sadly agree that she has come across that way via MSM. I think the MSM did it deliberately and it somewhat worked.

I agree with everything Sarah said to Wolf. I agree she was professional. However, I submit that if she had made a gracious statement similar to this with her usual genuine emotion she would have come across more stateman:

"Thank you Wolf for your support and concern regarding the inappropriate treatment of women and girls. However, I believe I have made a very strong statement this morning regarding Letterman and will allow him the chance to do the right thing. Therefore I will not discuss it any further as we have other exciting business to discuss."

What exactly would have been the MSM's response?? Headline - Palin refuses to discuss Letterman with Blitzer?? I highly doubt it. They were trying to paint her as whiny. They needed defensive sound bites. That would not fit their mold. This would only have made Palin look gracious and professional. Wolf would not dare contest her inclusion of him for support because he would come off as a chauvinistic pig. He would have moved on to business.

That is political savvy. Palin has it. I don't think some of her advisors do. If you are smiling and gracious it is hard to be considered snippy. I believe that many have the delusion that Palin won't be criticized if she can just find that correct response. I believe that no matter what she does, she will be so why not take criticism for staying professional and refusing to talk about an issue already addressed??? Her statement to Lauer was damn near perfect.

I want to see her do what Reagan did, play with the media a little bit. They don't like her anyway but it wins the hearts of the people.

I believe she needs better strategists and media advisors. I do agree she needs to slow down her speech but I like her folksy comments.

Just my opinion.

Bill in Baltimore July 3, 2009 2:47 PM  

Firelight,

sorry I wrote your name wrong before.

Sarah announcement at 3 EST !

Talk to you later . . . have fun !

Bill in Baltimore July 3, 2009 3:04 PM  

Fireflight,

ok good.

on my perch in Baltimore. Will share water canteen if you trudge by.

ErichNTejas July 3, 2009 3:06 PM  

Goldberg's response is even more puzzling than his original "letter." My response to him:

Jonah, Jonah, Jonah...your response to the e-mails you've received betrays a fatal flaw: Mitt Romney doesn't need advice? How did a dead-in-the-water John McCain come back to beat Romney in the primaries? NRO endorsed Romney. Prominent conservative voices like Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity, and Levin were begging voters to put Romney over the top in the Florida primary to keep him in the running so that we would not have to deal with a McCain candidacy. Despite all of these accolades, Romney couldn't do it. At the very least, have you asked yourself why? Have you considered that the same concerns voters had about Romney in 2008--charges of flip-flopping, problems with evangelicals, the perception of faux conservatism, his health-care proposal, his somewhat plastic demeanor--will likely creep back in to the picture in 2012? Jonah, are you actually trying to convince people, or perhaps yourself, that Romney needs to make no changes in order to win the second time around? I am simply flabbergasted by your intellectual dishonesty.

Losing teams have to make adjustments, period. That was the whole point of your "letter" to Palin, was it not? Surely you are aware that Romney has legions of detractors within the conservative movement. Yet you imply that you can offer the man nothing, not one damn thing, to win over these people. Stunning. Romney might have what it takes, but to suggest he is beyond advice reveals that you are guilty of the same blind adoration and unwillingness to disrupt the status quo you seemingly level at Palin admirers. You might want to rethink your hypocrisy over the holiday.

Jack Allen July 3, 2009 3:27 PM  

The whole problem with this rebuttal is that it is based on the premise that Palin is a hedgehog, and is therefore somehow exempt from the obligation to know what she is talking about. But while it is true that Reagan was a hedgehog, it is also true that he was able to speak with extemporaneous fluency about national and international issues. He might've spoken in hedgehog-like broad strokes, but he did so knowledgeably and fluently.

In other words: Reagan knew what he was talking about. And Palin, by conspicuous contrast, does not. There is not a single documented case of her speaking fluently about national and international issues. Literally, not one. And there are quite a few well-documented cases of her speaking ill-informed, verbally mangled nonsense about these issues.

A fox knows many little things. A hedgehog knows one big thing. Sarah Palin, going by all public evidence, knows neither lots of little things, nor one big thing. That is why so many conservative people have such a problem with Palin: she seems to know almost nothing--at least, nothing of any serious relevance to being an effective President. And unless she overcomes this extreme deficit, and learns to speak *extemporaneously* (for this is the key to persuading the skeptics) about national and international issues, then she is going lose, and lose badly, no matter how much Conservatives4Palin might love her.

And, just btw, Obama is a hedgehog, too. Not a fox. But that's a topic for another time.

Chris M. July 4, 2009 8:05 AM  

Wow. Found my way here from Andrew Sullivan, FWIW, and all I can say is...

...this is one of the most amazingly defensive pieces of anti-intellectual rationalization I've encountered in a long, long time.

(Credit where due, though: it's far more articulate than anything Sarah Palin could express.)

Hmmmm... July 4, 2009 11:58 AM  

I think it's hilarious. We don't want her to shut up. We want her to keep talking. The more she talks, the more it shows how big of a moron she is. It's awesome. We don't want her to go away, we want her to stay front and center.

oldfatherwilliam July 5, 2009 2:19 PM  

Here from Sullivan too. Speak up, folks. The more we hear from you, the more laughter in the world, and Reaganism has created the need for that now more than ever before.

black July 7, 2009 10:41 AM  

This may come as unwelcome news to the readers here, but there is no way that Palin can be president, now or ever, if her only base of support are people who frequent websites like this. Please don't be offended, because I respect people of all political stripes - but it's the honest truth. If she can't expand her base of support to include the kind of people who read publications like NRO and Weekly Standard, she cannot win. You should not be so quick to dismiss their concerns, the same way your supporters claim that you're being ignored. Thanks

Bill in Baltimore July 7, 2009 11:58 AM  

black,

you said:
>>there is no way that Palin can be president, now or ever

- ooo, oooo, thank you for setting us straight. We are so appreciate of that. oooo, oooo

hey pal,

a. If she is ignored or dismissed, we grow stronger quietly.

b. If she is attacked, we grow stronger explosively.

c. If people continue to join her cause, she grows exponentially

you, like the others, have missed the point.

SHE'S NOT RUNNING FOR POTUS (yet).

jack fate July 7, 2009 10:47 PM  

Jonah Goldberg was not calling Mrs. Palin a "laughingstock." He was merely pointing out - quite presciently, I might add - that the left does indeed consider her a bona fide "laughingstock." As a card carrying member of said left, I wholeheartedly concur.

So far as undesirables like me are concerned: She's a joke and, quite frankly, one of the best things to happen to left-wing politics in a long time. (Sans teh Holy One Barack, peace be upon him.)

heh. I hope she stays a prominent conservative personality for the near term, at least, if not longer. For real.

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