UPDATED: Conor Clarke Is At It Again
Apparently, Gov. Palin's op-ed in the Post got his goat, as he felt the need to respond this morning (including, as per usual, a graph) in an attempt to debunk her arguments and make her look ignorant. As it happens, however, his own argument once again has a few significant problems with it.
First, here's what he defines as "the big problem" with Gov. Palin's argument, taken from this paragraph in her piece:
There is no denying that as the world becomes more industrialized, we need to reform our energy policy and become less dependent on foreign energy sources. But the answer doesn't lie in making energy scarcer and more expensive! Those who understand the issue know we can meet our energy needs and environmental challenges without destroying America's economy.
I don't think cap and trade has many supporters who think it's the best way to become "less dependent on foreign energy sources." (As a sidenote, I'd add that I'm skeptical we should become "less dependent on foreign energy sources" at all, for the same reason I'd be skeptical of becoming less dependent on foreign cars or foreign cucumbers. A "more industrialized" world is an accomplishment of free trade, not a reason to turn against it.) The point of cap and trade is to solve a problem of social cost: As an energy consumer, I am imposing a cost on society (pollution) that I do not take into account when I make the original decision to consume.
Clarke is of course correct that the supporters of the cap-and-tax bill aren't trying to become less dependent on foreign energy sources. He seems to think that Gov. Palin either doesn't realize this (in which case she's ignorant) or that she's being disingenuous here. In truth, however, I think he's the one being disingenuous. Surely he's read and listened to enough politicians to recognize what Gov. Palin is actually doing here, something which is standard political issue: she's linking cap-and-tax to one of her core issues, that of American energy independence, for a political and rhetorical purpose.
Now, is that disingenuous of her? Well, you could make that argument—but I think her op-ed as a whole refutes that, making it clear that in fact she's linked these two issues for a very different reason: she wants to argue that there's a better way forward to improve our environment, one which is closely linked to the goal of energy independence.
Before we come back to that, though—and to the real "big problem" here, which is with Clarke's argument in favor of the cap-and-tax bill—let's consider the rest of his arguments against Gov. Palin. He admits that "there's no denying that a price mechanism will make life more difficult for consumers and energy producers, at least in the medium run," and then goes on to accuse her of dishonesty in addressing this obvious fact.
For example, Palin writes:Job losses are so certain under this new cap-and-tax plan that it includes a provision accommodating newly unemployed workers from the resulting dried-up energy sector, to the tune of $4.2 billion over eight years. So much for creating jobs.
A quick note about the psychology of large numbers: $4.2 billion over eight years is $525 million a year. (That yearly cost is just above the total cost of, I dunno, building a road that connects Juneau with the rest of Alaska.)
His response here is, quite frankly, not a response; in fact, it's the most nonsensical kind of non sequitur. Gov. Palin points out that even the Democrats have (tacitly) admitted that the cap-and-tax bill will kill jobs (contrary to their public claims that it will create jobs), and what's Clarke's response? "The cost to the government to compensate people for the jobs it's destroying will only be eight times what it would cost to build a road to make it possible to drive to Juneau." Um, huh? What does that have to do with her point? This isn't about "the psychology of large numbers," it's about the fact that cap-and-tax will kill jobs in large numbers: $525 million in jobs lost per year is no small thing. (And that's just the damage the Democratic leadership is willing to admit their bill will cause—which is to say, it's an absolute best-case scenario.)
The problem for Clarke, of course, is that if he addresses this fact head-on, it would become difficult to maintain his contention that the cap-and-tax bill will have positive economic effects.
Palin writes:The Americans hit hardest will be those already struggling to make ends meet.
This is simply incorrect. Cap and trade creates revenue, which can be used to mitigate the costs for consumers. When the Congressional Budget Office did its analysis of the distribution of the costs and benefits of the House's cap and trade bill, it found that the poorest quintile would actually benefit.
But is that really what the CBO found? Color me dubious. In the first place, if you click the link, you'll find that it goes not to the CBO information, but to another of his own posts—which in turn does not link to the CBO, but rather to posts by Matthew Yglesias and a blogger from Mother Jones. The only CBO link is to a generic page on the distribution of federal tax rates. In the second, from what Clarke says there, this estimate is in regard to tax liabilities resulting from the cap-and-tax bill, which is a far cry from the total cost. And in the third, the assertion that "cap and trade creates revenue" is just that: an assertion, based not on proof from solid evidence but on the assumption that "some portion of the revenue will be used to fund a rebate and tax credit for low income families." Some portion. Uh-huh, right . . . given the history of government on matters financial, and especially tax-related, we know just how far to trust that one, don't we?
More seriously, this is an example of something I've written about before, the tendency of liberals in economic matters to compartmentalize rather than thinking systemically, and to assume that people's behavior doesn't change when you change the incentives. In this case, it's the fact that the cap-and-tax bill won't just have direct effects, but also indirect ones—and it's the indirect ones that will be the killers, as the costs from this bill work their way through our economy, multiplying each other as they go. Here's what the Heritage Foundation had to say about the bill's likely impact if it takes effect in 2010:
For a household of four, energy costs go up $436 that year, and they eventually reach $1,241 in 2035 and average $829 annually over that span. Electricity costs go up 90 percent by 2035, gasoline by 58 percent, and natural gas by 55 percent by 2035. The cumulative higher energy costs for a family of four by then will be nearly $20,000.
But direct energy costs are only part of the consumer impact. Nearly everything goes up, since higher energy costs raise production costs. If you look at the total cost of Waxman-Markey, it works out to an average of $2,979 annually from 2012-2035 for a household of four. By 2035 alone, the total cost is over $4,600.
This isn't just a Republican conclusion, either; even this bill's most prominent supporter, Barack Obama, admitted that cap-and-tax legislation will cause electricity rates to "skyrocket"—his word, no one else's; and those skyrocketing rates will hit the poorest hardest, as Rep. Fred Upton (R-MI) notes:
In 2008, approximately 21 percent of all utility accounts were overdue, with folks carrying past due balances, on average, of $160 on electric bills and $360 for natural gas. In some parts of Michigan, 1 out of 3 households were behind on their utility bills—and the situation has likely worsened as those figures were compiled before last autumn’s financial collapse. Families in coal-dependent states, particularly in the Midwest, could be hit even harder.
That, combined with all the job losses in the energy industry—you know, the ones even the Democrats admit will need to be subsidized to the tune of $525 million per year—make it easy to see why Investor's Business Daily, building off the Heritage Foundation's work, wrote,
An analysis of Waxman-Markey by the Heritage Foundation projects that by 2035 it would reduce aggregate gross domestic product by $7.4 trillion. In an average year, 844,000 jobs would be destroyed, with peak years seeing unemployment rise by almost 2 million (see charts below).
Consumers would pay through the nose as electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket, as President Obama once put it, by 90% adjusted for inflation. Inflation-adjusted gasoline prices would rise 74%, residential natural gas prices by 55% and the average family's annual energy bill by $1,500.
Hit hardest by all this would be the "95% of working families" Obama keeps mentioning as being protected from increased taxation. They are protected, that is, unless they use energy. Then they'll be hit by this draconian energy tax.
That cumulative effect, rather than narrow considerations of direct tax liabilities, is why Warren Buffett predicted that the cap-and-tax bill will be "pretty regressive." And even at that, that's not all the negative effects we'll see if this bill passes. One of the stings in its tail is that it will actually make domestic energy production less competitive with foreign production than it already is. Bloomberg laid this out clearly a while back:
America's biggest oil companies will probably cope with U.S. carbon legislation by closing fuel plants, cutting capital spending and increasing imports. . . .
"It will lead to the opportunity for foreign sources to bring in transportation fuels at a lower cost, which will have an adverse impact to our industry, potential shutdown of refineries and investment and, ultimately, employment," Mulva said in a June 16 interview in Detroit. . . .
The same amount of gasoline that would have $1 in carbon costs imposed if it were domestic would have 10 cents less added if it were imported, according to energy consulting firm Wood Mackenzie in Houston. Contrary to President Barack Obama’s goal of reducing dependence on overseas energy suppliers, the bill would incent U.S. refiners to import more fuel, said Clayton Mahaffey, an analyst at RedChip Cos. in Maitland, Florida.
"They’ll be searching the globe for refined products that don't carry the same level of carbon costs," said Mahaffey, a former Exxon Corp. refinery manager.
Only wishful thinking can deny that the cap-and-tax bill, if passed, will blow a large hole in our economy—which will do the most harm to "those already struggling to make ends meet," just as Gov. Palin says, because those are always the folks who take the brunt of bad economic times—and that's just what Clarke offers. To be specific, he provides a chart showing that the cap-and-tax bill will cause only a very tiny percentage decrease in our GDP between now and 2050. That looks impressive until you realize the source of the numbers: the Environmental Protection Agency. Two problems with that: one, the EPA is not in the business of economic projection (you might as well ask the Defense Department to do it); and two, the EPA has already shown itself willing to suppress the facts for the sake of its political agenda in order to get the cap-and-tax bill passed. In other words, Clarke is relying on a source which is neither competent nor trustworthy to make his case.
Taken all in all, I think Gov. Palin holds the laurels here, because Clarke's sources don't adequately support his attack on her argument. Indeed, for all that he cites the CBO in an effort to prove that cap-and-tax won't hurt the poor, had he paid attention to the CBO's estimate of the bill's overall economic effect, he would have noticed that they reached a very different conclusion than the EPA:
The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) recently determined that rolling back the clock to reach 1910 emissions levels [as mandated by Waxman-Markey] would cost $864 billion, while some estimates put the number closer to $1.5 trillion, and it will be America’s working families left holding the tab.
This isn't a minor point, either; it's not something that can be tinkered away. Indeed, as even Clarke admits, this is the essence of this bill:
The point of cap and trade is to solve a problem of social cost: As an energy consumer, I am imposing a cost on society (pollution) that I do not take into account when I make the original decision to consume.
This happens all the time. My decision to drive creates traffic that imposes a cost on society. A company's decision to fish in the ocean imposes a cost on the world's common stock of fisheries. A banker's decision to take on a huge amount of risk creates danger for the economy as a whole. The problem is that none of these private actors adequately bears the cost of their decisions. So, the usual solution is to increase the price of these decisions—with congestion charges, or private property rights, or taxes—so that private consumers take into account social costs.
As I see it, there are three problems with this approach. In the first place, equating the cap-and-tax bill—which is an artificially-imposed system of costs designed by the government—to private-property rights simply won't hold water, because this isn't a true market mechanism. This is simply government deciding to make modern life more costly, making up all the numbers as it sees fit, with no actual logical relationship to the "social cost" of pollution.
In the second place, the statement that "the usual solution is to increase the price of these decisions" simply isn't correct in the sense in which he means it. When the government starts interjecting itself to arbitrarily "increase the price of these decisions," it only makes matters worse, not better. (See the history of rent control in New York City for one example of this.)
And in the third, it's one thing to talk glibly about "social cost" when one is comfortably well off (such as a self-professed "card-carrying member of the chattering class" like Clarke), and quite something else for the rest of us. It's all well and good to talk about "my decision to drive" when one has the option to do otherwise—but there are an awful lot of us for whom it isn't elective behavior. There are millions upon millions of us who don't have the option of living in a tony NYC or DC neighborhood where we can walk anywhere we need to go 90% of the time and have easy and abundant public transit to take care of the rest; we have to take the best jobs we can find and live where we can afford to buy (or rent) a place, and the drive back and forth from one to the other (and all the stops in between) isn't a luxury but a regretted necessity.
For most of us ordinary barbarians, the world just doesn't look the way it does to the "chattering class," and making life more expensive isn't a matter of trimming a bit of the fat off of life and feeling virtuous about it—it's cutting into muscle and bone. Dorothy Sayers, years ago, had her character Lord Peter Wimsey observe, "Income 20£, expenditures 19£, 19s, 6p: happiness; income 20£, expenditures 20£, 0s, 6p: misery." For a lot of folks in this country, it's pretty much that close, especially with the economy the way it is right now, and the cap-and-tax bill will push them across that line. For Conor Clarke, this discussion is an academic one; for Sarah Palin and those whom she represents, it's anything but. As such, contrary to his assertion that she "does not understand cap and trade," she understands it at a level he has never reached—and probably will never reach. He speaks as one who will not really be hurt by it; she speaks for those who will.
Gov. Palin also speaks as one who understands that this bill won't have the benefit promised for it. Were the benefit great enough, one could justify the cost—but it won't be, and for reasons which are intimately tied in with her evocation of American energy independence. As noted, she understands as well as Clarke that the cap-and-tax bill isn't intended to help reduce American dependence on foreign energy sources; unlike Clarke, she also understands that that's a profoundly bad thing, not only for our economy, but also for the environment. As she writes,
We have an important choice to make. Do we want to control our energy supply and its environmental impact? Or, do we want to outsource it to China, Russia and Saudi Arabia? Make no mistake: President Obama's plan will result in the latter.
This is not only a critical point for our economic health and national security, it's also a critical point for the global ecology. Rep. Upton laid this out well:
Climate change is a global problem that requires global solutions. In late May, the EIA released its forecast predicting that global energy demand is expected to soar 44 percent over the next two decades – with most of the demand coming from developing countries such as China and India. Yet, Waxman’s cap-and-tax legislation fails to take into account the growth of emissions in countries like China and India, where rapidly increasing emissions would negate costly American sacrifices. China is the number one emitter in the world, with annual emissions growth alone equal to the total yearly output of Germany.
Without international participation, jobs and emissions will simply shift overseas to countries that require few, if any, environmental protections, harming the global environment as well as the U.S. economy. The jobs and industries that will bear the greatest costs of cap-and-tax are the industries we must keep in America in order to remain a power on the world stage. Quite simply, cap-and-trade caps our growth and trades our jobs.
From 2000 to 2008, we’ve lost 3.8 million manufacturing jobs—a decline of 22 percent. At the same time, imports were up 29 percent—a direct correlation. Michigan and the Rust Belt has been ground zero for these losses. The manufacturing and energy intensive industrial sectors are highly competitive, and more often than not, the cost of energy is the difference between operating in the United States and shutting the doors to move overseas.
If one truly cares about the planet, why do we want to make steel in China rather than in the United States where our carbon emissions are one-third that of the Chinese per ton of steel produced? One Arkansas refinery recently testified that under a cap-and-tax regime, they would be forced to close their 1,200-employee plant while India builds the largest in the world to ship fuel to the United States with nowhere near the environmental protections we have. We’re not helping the environment by sending industries that operate cleanly and efficiently in the United States to a regulation-free China or India.
This sort of unilateral increase in the cost of working and doing business in the US will only encourage businesses to move jobs to countries where the cost is lower—which is to say, at least in part, where environmental standards are looser. The net result may well be lower carbon emissions here (though then again, given the European Union's experiment with this approach, it may not), but it will be significantly higher emissions, and other forms of pollution, elsewhere around the world.
The bottom line here, I'm convinced (and I'm not the only one), isn't really about the environment at all; I don't think it's any coincidence that the loudest voices for eco-socialism these days were the same ones who were the loudest voices praising the Soviet economy back in the day. The goal now is the same as it was then, for the same reason as then: greater government control of the economy, because (they believe) the government knows better how your life should be run than you do.
To the elites of this country (of both parties), this all makes perfect sense; that's how we ended up with "big-government conservatism," which is a ringingly absurd contradiction in terms if ever I've heard one. Gov. Palin's op-ed was a message to those elites from the rest of the country, trying to help them understand that there's a whole lot of ordinary barbarians out here who don't buy it, and aren't going to submit tamely to it. I hope Conor Clarke, and others of the "chattering class," will learn to listen.
UPDATE: As noted in the comments, Stephen Spruiell over at The Corner did a nice job of taking Clarke to task yesterday; apparently I gave Clarke too much credit. When I agreed that he is "of course correct that the supporters of the cap-and-tax bill aren't trying to become less dependent on foreign energy sources," I was unaware that some of its most prominent supporters are at least claiming that to be one of their motives—something of which Clarke was also ignorant. The fact that Barack Obama, Al Gore, and bill co-sponsor Henry Waxman all claim that (in Rep. Waxman's words) "this bill, when enacted into law this year, will break our dependence on foreign oil" only makes Gov. Palin's op-ed more on point and Clarke's attempted rebuttal even more of a bust. Given that this bill will actually serve to increase our dependence on foreign energy by making domestic production less competitive, it also speaks quite poorly for folks like Rep. Waxman (and, for that matter, Conor Clarke) who support the bill.
I should note, I really like Spruiell's parting shot at Clarke:
It's funny that Clarke works a paean to the virtues of free trade into his attack on Palin. The monstrous legislative vehicle he piously tsks her for opposing is one of the most protectionist bills to emerge from Congress in decades.
SIDE NOTE: I've been meaning to mention this for a while, but there hasn't been a good time: for all our disagreements with Clarke, he's a good sport. You may recall that I've responded to his attacks on Gov. Palin once or twice before, and that I didn't mince words about it; after my second post, I received this e-mail from him:
Dear Rob,
Thanks for your thoughtful posts. (And for getting the spelling of my name right in the second post! That "e" has long been the bane of my existence..)
Anyway, I keep thinking I'll respond to them, but keep procrastinating like crazy. Either way, I thought I'd introduce myself (in a non-vitriolic manner) to say thanks for the attention and please keep it up. If I write about Palin in the future should I just send the post straight to this address?
Hope all is well,
Conor Clarke
ps—this email is entirely serious!
It's always pleasant to find someone willing to take a stiff critique in a good spirit; that's rare enough, and praiseworthy enough, that I thought it was important to take note of it here—not least because, when he put up this latest post, he did in fact promptly e-mail me to let me know about it. I don't think much of his arguments where Gov. Palin is concerned, but I'm happy to give credit where it's due.
SIDE NOTE II: I received an e-mail today from a commenter pointing out that the line I attributed to Dorothy Sayers is in fact original to Charles Dickens. I can only say that, as scandalous as some might find this, I don't care for Dickens' work and have never read David Copperfield; I, at least, picked up the line from Lord Peter, who (with his typical insouciance) failed to cite the source of his quotation.






46 comments:
I will make this really simple for anyone who wants this Cap & Tax Bill...
One Question to any of you that own your homes..
Do you plan to move in the near future...and if so..once Cap and Tax is passed (shoot me in the head now please)...How will you sell your home?
How will you sell your home?
Why does he hate America?
(kidding!)
I was reading in another forum that Conor Clarke just graduated in 2007. That only makes him an expert... in theory!!
Conor can come up to Alaska and some of us Alaskan can show him WTF he doesn't know. Then I can send him down to a few "coal driven States" like.. TEXAS and maybe give him a energy lesson for the real world.
what a freaking idiot.
I don't mean to change the subject in this post, but where has Mitt Romney been? He was on all the tv shows doing interviews, ever since july 3, he seems to have disappeared from the earth? Does anybody have any info on Romney? I checked his twitter a few days ago...last post july 2nd.
Trig Truther publication writer?
Who the F-- is this guy and why should we care?
this guy is a goon.
chspats2006 said...
I don't mean to change the subject in this post, but where has Mitt Romney been? He was on all the tv shows doing interviews, ever since july 3, he seems to have disappeared from the earth? Does anybody have any info on Romney? I checked his twitter a few days ago...last post july 2nd.
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Argentina???
The Appalachia Trail?
lol I just find it interesting that he has not commented since the resignation speech does he know that if he tries to officially throw Sarah under the bus, that it would hurt him in the future primaries... also I would like to bring up another theory I read that Levi's lawyer is a huge obama supporter anybodu want to bet that the lawyer and Axelrod have been talking and conspiring together?
Nice comprehensive rebuttal, not only to Conor, but to all the libtards who have been parroting their talking points all day on "Palin doesn't know what she's talking about". When they have to resort to nonsequiturs to defend something, you know you're on the right track.
Move On.org is going after Sarah.
They are taking donations to begin a campaign against her. Here's what appears on their site today:
"Help stop Sarah Palin's lies about clean energy....Sarah Palin's new job? Attacking Obama's clean energy jobs plan and keeping us hooked on Big Oil and Coal. Palin's lies are a real threat because she gets lots of media attention. If we can raise enough, we'll run a rapid response ad to counter these false claims and stop Palin's attack. Can you donate to support our work? You may also contribute by check."
Interesting...
When I read Gov. Palin's op/ed last night, I knew for sure it would call forth the full range of PDS, and I was right. The Boston Globe has a brief article aboutt he op/ed followed by close to 400 comments, over half of which are foaming at the mouth, and dripping with venom.
Art Brodsky over at the HuffPo is fuming that "She has no authority to write an article like this..."
I hope she follows up real soon, like tomorrow, with an op/ed on nationalized healthcare. If she did, it may cause massive strokes, thereby reducing the number of
0bama voters, by at least 10 percent.
you don't waste your ammo on a dead corpse
If anyone can't understand America would be better off not being beholden to foreign countries for energy, then there is no hope for them.
Stupid is as stupid does, Clarke's hypothesis reinforces him continuing in the STUPID DOES category.
Another example of wasted time and effort of mindless stinking thinking.
John Kerry just wrote a response to Sarah's op-ed in the Huff Po:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-kerry/what-gov-palin-forgot_b_231892.html
Palin rightfully focuses on the impact to energy because C&T will do nothing to reduce the levels of green-house gases. Clarke apparently recognizes this because he wants to talk about social costs -- the tax part of cap and tax. I believe advocates are trying to sell the notion that C&T will stimulate the adoption of alternative sources of energy, though, rather than carbon-based fuels -- largely from foreign sources. This is certainly an energy-independence connection, no matter how they choose to spin it.
@Susan W
Sarah Palin has been making Liberals poo their pants since August 28th 2008. First they claim that she is "stupid" with "No political future" for someone that does not have a political future they are sure obsessed with Sarah Palin aren't they. To try to raise money to make an Ad claiming she is wrong LOL. Ok when I read that I almost peed my pants, liberals, spending money on ANYTHING, please, Liberals only know how to spend OTHER people's money. Sarah is a GENIUS for doing this. Wanna know why, if Cap and Crap FAILS, they will blame it on Sarah, but most Americans are against Cap and Crap, she will be applauded for her stance. Gee, for so-called intellectuals, liberals sure are stupid aren't they. They are falling for Sarah's trap hook, line, and sinker. Sarah has to go against Sotomayor, and against Universal Health Care, liberals might start jumping off of buildings, again, like I said, it would be win/win
At least this Clarke fellow doesn't claim that Gov. Palin is really her childrens' uncle or something. He simply calls her an idiot. I supose one could say that's progress.
Really Hardy, I cannot see the signal!
Susan: Isn't it amazing that Kos is trying to raise money for rapid response to Palin's op-ed. And, at the same time all the lib bloggers and trolls or saying she didn't write it. Even Kerry on Huffington is responding...to an op-ed she didn't write.
The libs seem to be having a problem deciding their defense
against a stupid broad that no one listens to because she is a joke.
She knows how to pull their chain.
And, most people are against cap and tax anyway. She is on the right side of this issue.
"Palin's lies are a real threat because she gets lots of media attention."
They have to include this line because most people are going to ask why on earth, after they just won a historic election, they need to give money to oppose the losing VP candidate. And as if Obama doesn't get enough media attention? This mightl get the unhinged wingers to donate but that's about it; no sensible person would give money for this cause.
juju , it's not only that she didn't write it , it's stupid and no one listens to her..
Why the long face , Kerry.
John Kerry and the Democrats will soon wish that Sarah went missing, because as a civilian she will be in the Far Left's face for the next 3 years.
Sarah reminds of me of Colonel Hogan from the 60's tv show Hogan's Heroes. She is playing chess while the statist progressives are playing checkers!
When I saw Conor Clarke say something stupid, I knew our pastor would bitchslap that idiot. Good work!
"Liberals , want more , now I can do this for years" Sarah.
chspats2006:
Up to now Sarah has made the anklebiters, John Kerry and David Letterman and Barack Obama look like a platoon of Sgt. Schultz's.
Sarah Palin's best move would be to publically challenge Conor Clarke, John Kerry, and anyone else to a very public televised debate on the issue of Cap and Trade.
She would no doubt win. It would be a formal debate with rules and guidelines. Cap and Trade and it's effect on our country can be the only issue to be discussed.
She could publically challenge one of the news channels to carry the debate for the general public.
My guess is there would be no takers, no debaters, no television coverage. Ultimately, if Palin advertised her offer via Facebook, twitter and a formal statement. The refusal to debate or cover the debate would revel her very strong credibility.
This would be her best move.
Please disregard all spelling and grammar errors in my previous post. I currently have a 1 year old climbing me :)
Great refutation of Clarke's points!
And to all the leftist media and those ignorant pundits: The average American who reads Palin's op-ed is gonna shake their head in agreement because it makes sense to them. That's because like Obama already said, this thing will cost money, so the liberals should stop insulting our intelligence with their lies.
So, most readers of that column, except people fascinated by this or those who follow politics (such us all of us here) are NOT gonna read another article that dissects Palin's op-ed piece. Palin delivered her message directly to the people. Her arguments are so sound, that I am certain most people agreed with her.
Listen up, media: YOUR ARGUMENTS about the op-ed ARE TOO LATE AND WORTHLESS NOW. PEOPLE HAVE READ THAT OP-ED. MOST AMERICANS WHO READ THAT ALREADY AGREES WITH PALIN AND IS ON HER SIDE OF THE POLICY!
Oh, media, you think your so-called biased "analysis" is all that matters. Nope, Palin already had the final word. She already converted people to her side. This is another example of the media being so far removed from the average american.
Debtstar said...
" ... she didn't write it ..."
How do you know?
Prove it.
Excellent column.
Gov. Palin has my vote.
Clarke's piece was rambling and incoherent. It was unpolished and I just did not understand what he said at all...;)
Is this guy a journalist? This it seems is the problem with journalism today and why blogs have exploded. Journalist are simply not doing the necessary research to gain any credibility in what they're reporting. Blogs fill this void by doing the research and presenting the facts. If news organization would just officially outsource their research to bloggers, there can be a peaceful coexistence between the two. But alas, the news organizations don't want to pay the bill!
Rob,
Great analysis as always. You really have the ability to cut through the fuzziness of Clarke's arguments and see them for the contradictions they are. You understand economics very well too.
It seems that Governor Palin's op-ed must have really hit the mark, given the hysterical attempts to discredit it by the left today from The Atlantic to The Daily Kos, two publications which are rapidly becomming indistinguishable.
I don't know who CC is. I haven't read, and won't read, his material on the site it is on. I have standards. He doesn't.
A couple of points.
Some believe that no, or virtually no, energy should be produced in the US. Instead, they favor imports. This has been the case for many decades. They generally have no concept of the economic effect of importing everything and exporting nothing. Many also want high energy prices. Most of us do not.
Sarah believes we should achieve "energy independence" more or less. I say "more or less" because I haven't seen a precise statement of the precise goal, and "energy independence" is so far off that it is a rough idea, not something that most mean literally. (I actually think we might be able to achieve net energy exporter status if we have the will to develop the resources God gave us.)
On energy jobs. Certainly there is no plan to pay roughnecks to not work for years and years. Certainly any $ is for temporary support, retraining, and such. How many people will $4 billion cover? A lot. The number of years is probably academic. The number of people matters. Who will lose their jobs to the retrained roughnecks? That problem might have been ignored.
If pollution is imposed by A on B for producing C, importing C will not change the equation. It will only move the pollution location. If the goal is to reduce carbon in the world, any location on earth has the same effect. It is one world. Other pollution may have purely local effects. Do liberals care about pollution in Chad? Probably not.
US activity is generally conducted with greater precision, care, safety, and cleanliness than activity in Chad. It is a safe assumption that oil produced in Chad will be produced with fewer safeguards than oil produced in North Dakota. You can bet on that.
And energy transportation has consequences. Sarah was dealing with tanker safety issues in Valdez and Anchorage this week. Remember the Exxon Valdez? Oil from Chad has those risks. Also it takes energy to move the oil. Carbon to move carbon. But, who is counting? No one?
Sarah's op-ed was filled with good sense. CC's response, to the limited extent I have seen it, is based on standard viewpoints that are decades old, but ignore basic facts and common sense. Old ignorance is still ignorance.
Even McCain doesn't support the Cap and Tax bill.
http://www.grist.org/article/2009-04-22-mccain-slams-obama-on-climate/
"Sen. John McCain says he’s still a proud proponent of using a cap-and-trade system to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions, but he’s not going to back President Barack Obama’s climate agenda any time soon.
McCain, coauthor of multiple cap-and-trade bills in the past, addressed an energy symposium sponsored by the Reform Institute on Tuesday. In his remarks, he called for bipartisanship on climate and energy policy—but offered scathing criticism of the Obama administration’s plans, calling them “irresponsible, ill-conceived.” "
For a hit piece it was actually pretty pathetic. They're going to have to do alot better than that.
http://www.grist.org/article/2009-07-13-sarah-palin-cap-and-trade-washington-post-op-ed/
"So when the person John McCain once said knows more about energy policy than anyone else in America pens an op-ed for one of the nation’s highest-regarded newspapers, it’s time to pay attention and learn something.
Sarah Palin, the soon-to-be-ex-governor of Alaska, has an opinion piece (a screed, really) in Tuesday’s Washington Post in which she shrilly blasts away at “President Obama’s cap-and-trade energy plan,” calling it “an enormous threat” to the U.S. economy.
Juicy stuff. Ordinarily, we’d let David Roberts out of his cage to respond, but he’s happily away on vacation. Joe Romm will surely be along in the morning with a strong piece tearing apart Palin’s piece. [Yep, here’s his piece.] But for now, here are some first thoughts from me:
Palin’s thesis comes loaded with plenty of rhetoric and zero facts. It offers nothing more than assertions about the emissions reduction part of the bill, ignores the energy investment and green jobs provisions, blames “Washington bureaucrats” for hampering oil development in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (not Congress, where elected lawmakers have repeatedly expressed the American public’s desire to keep ANWR off limits), and fails to even take note of the underlying issue—catastrophic climate change.
Couldn’t Palin’s ghostwriters have cribbed from any of the well-researched, highly technical criticisms produced by just about every conservative think tank in the land?"
There is more.
(Grist is an extreme environmentalist site.)
The item linked above likes straw men. It ignores the vast prolific gas in the rockies. Huge reserves. Instead it mentions a certain kind of oil shale. Did Sarah say that? It ignored the Bakken and Sanish Three Forks fields in ND. Huge resources. Maybe unknown to Grist.
Drudge linked this today.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D99EAOH01&show_article=1
Grist prefers straw men.
http://www.grist.org/article/2009-07-14-palin-editorial-attacks-climate-action-and-clean-energy/
Another:
"Is there any sane person left over in the Post management?"
Grist cites to: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/art-brodsky/how-much-more-pathetic-ca_b_231365.html
No, I didn't follow the link.
Another:
http://mediamattersaction.org/factcheck/200907140002
Corner slams this guy too:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODliNDEzNTliOTVlNjIyNzFiNTliMzk0NDY2NmUyZTg=
Great job dissecting the piece and that was great that Conor Clarke wrote back! Right on, Rob! ;)
wisetrog, thanks for the link--I've added that to the post.
A, I would note that as far as I'm aware, both the Bakken formation and our reserves in the Rockies are all oil shale; that's what they're talking about. (It was, as you can imagine, a subject of considerable discussion in Colorado during my time there, as I'm sure it still is.)
Thanks for all the comments.
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