UPDATED: Latest Ethics Nonsense: AP Gets It Wrong; Governor Palin Responds
Rachel D'Oro of the Associated Press has a story on Kim Chatman's ethics complaint about the Alaska Fund Trust with a big, splashy headline: "Palin implicated in ethics probe."*
The practical effect of the ruling on Palin will be more financial than anything else. The report recommends that Palin refuse to accept payment from the defense fund, and that the complaint be resolved without a formal hearing before the Alaska Personnel Board.
However, it seems that the report "obtained" by the AP is not the final one from the Personnel Board. The governor just tweeted:
Re inaccurate story floating re:ethics violation/Legal Defense Fund;matter is still pending;new info was just requested even;no final report
And this was just posted on Gov. Palin's Facebook page:
I cannot verify the validity of this claim. There is no final report. The Investigator is still confidentially reviewing this matter. It appears suspect that in the final days of the Governor's term, someone would again violate the law and announce a supposed conclusion before it is reached.
Meghan Stapleton
Palin Spokesperson
UPDATE: The report via the ADN. Of note on the last page (text is bolded in the original):
However, this decision is confidential pursuant to AS 39.52.340, unless confidentiality is waived by the governor.
Given the governor's tweet and Meg Stapleton's statement, it seems pretty clear that confidentiality was not waived by the governor.
UPDATE II: From the governor's Facebook page:
"The resolution of the Trust Fund is not final. I have been working with the investigator regarding supplemental information. The matter is still pending. Whatever you have seen was released in violation of law. There has been no Board finding of an ethics violation and there is a detailed legal process to follow before there is a final resolution."
Thomas Van Flein
Private Attorney for Sarah Palin
UPDATE III: From the AP story:
John Coale, a Washington lawyer who helped set up the fund, called the probable cause finding "crazy," adding that if upheld, it would mean that no governor could ever defend themselves against frivolous ethics complaints.
"If this complaint is true, there's no way to defend yourself" as governor, Coale said. "Anybody can keep filing ethics complaints and drive someone out of office even if you're a nut."
Coale said that unlike other states, Alaska's governor has no legal counsel's office to defend the governor from allegations brought against the governor in her official capacity.
Coale said he recommended creation of the legal defense fund, a common practice in Washington. The Web site for the Palin fund cites similar accounts created for Hillary Clinton, John Kerry and other prominent politicians.
UPDATE IV: From the governor's Facebook page:
"All options are open in terms of legal remedies. It is a clear violation of Alaska law that Mr. Daniel explicitly reviewed with Ms. Chatman prior to her illegal actions. We will be contacting the appropriate authorities for review and action."
Thomas Van Flein
Private Attorney for Sarah Palin
UPDATE V: From Thomas Daniel's report:
In sum, I find probable cause to believe that payment of the governor's legal fees by the Alaska Fund Trust will violate the Ethics Act prohibition against a public officer accepting gifts intended to influence performance of official duties.
You'll notice that Daniel found no violation because no payment has been made. Governor Palin hasn't accessed any of the money from the Alaska Fund Trust. Daniel also made an interesting recommendation as to how Governor Palin can pay for the cost of the frivolous complaints that have been dismissed:
I also recommend that she seek reimbursement from the state for the cost of defending the ethics complaints that have been dismissed.
*The AP changed the headline for their story. It now reads: "Investigator rules against Palin in ethics probe."
UPDATE VI: In the comments, howIroll explains why the AP's new headline is inaccurate and misleading:
That new headline by AP is equally misleading. The investigator doesn't "rule" on anything. He's like a prosecutor in a criminal case (although an ethics complaint is in NO WAY criminal). He investigates an alleged violation or "offense" and issues a report or "summons." It only ALLEGES a violation---it is in no way dispositive. Basically he is suggesting that the Personnel Board take the matter up for hearing (like a magistrate finding probable cause and then certifying a case to the Grand Jury). ONLY the investigator's findings are contained in his report; there is no evidence from the Governor's team. Once her team gets the report, they have an opportunity to assess it for proper application of the law, complete and accurate fact finding, etc. The governor's team can then gather their evidence and questions and approach the investigator who can then review her materials and evidence and either amend/modify his report or stand on his original findings and pass the matter onto the Personnel Board for HEARING (trial). The Board may either hold a hearing (call witnesses, etc. as in a "trial) and issue a ruling OR vote to dismiss as a matter of law upon a motion filed and subsequent argument by the Governor's attorney.
As Mr. Van Flein indicated, this report is but a first step in a very long process, just as a summons is the first step in a very long trial process. There are "miles to go" before there is any "ruling," which would be done by the Board, not an investigator.
UPDATE by RAM: It is being incorrectly reported that Gov. Palin was found to have violated the Ethics Act. This is a complete lie! All you have to do is read the report:
In addition, my role as independent counsel for the personnel board is only to decide whether there is probable cause to believe a violation of the Ethics Act has occurred – not to reach a definitive conclusion. See AS 39.52.320. The ultimate determination of whether the governor has violated the Ethics Act can only be made by the personnel board after a formal heating and a report by the hearing officer. See AS 39.52.360-370.
In sum, I find probable cause to believe that payment of the governor’s legal fees by the Alaska Fund Trust will violate the Ethics Act prohibition against a public officer accepting gifts intended to influence performance of official duties.
[...]
I can recommend that corrective action be taken to resolve this complaint without the necessity of a formal hearing on the matter. See AS 39.52.330. My recommendation is that the governor should refuse to accept payment of her legal fees and costs from the Alaska Fund Trust and withdraw her authorization for the trust to be recognized as her “official” legal defense fund. I also recommend that she seek reimbursement from the state for the cost of defending the ethics complaints that have been dismissed.
I also recommend that the legislature consider amending the Ethics Act to require the state to reimburse a public official for reasonable legal fees and costs incurred to defend against an Ethics Act complaint that is dismissed. [emphasis added]
Did you get that? The independent investigator, Thomas Daniel, is not finding the governor in violation of the Ethics Act. Only the Personnel Board can make such a ruling, and Daniel actually recommends that no ruling is necessary. Gov. Palin has not accepted one dime of money from the legal defense fund yet. How can she be in violation of the Ethics Act for something she hasn't even done yet? You can't charge her with a violation for a future act! The language Daniel uses is future tense "will violate" -- not violated.
Daniel recommends not accepting the funds and instead having the state pay for the legal bills incurred by the dismissed complaints (which is basically all of them). Ordinary Americans from all over the country (and Alaska) gave money to pay these bills, but now the people of Alaska will be stiffed with the bill and forced to pay for Andree McLeod's hobby and obsession.
I'm not at all convinced that the Alaska Fund Trust will be forced to disband and return the money. I'm sure Gov. Palin's attorney will counter this report. I'm sure it will be resolved. But if it does have to be disband and the money returned, then guess what? We'll set up a new one for Sarah Palin as just a plain old citizen. And we'll raise even more!
Congratulations once again to the nutters in Alaska who have turned the state's Ethics Act into a joke. I sure hope that the Democrats up there fix the crazy loop holes in the Executive Branch Ethics Act before any Democrat is elected governor because anyone from anywhere can file an ethics complaint against the governor of Alaska without paying a penny, and there are a lot of people just itching for a tit for tat on this.
UPDATE VII: (h/t TommyReport) From Chris Cillizza at The Fix:
Randy Evans, the attorney who helped Palin set up the Alaska Trust Fund, released a statement moments ago dismissing the allegation that there was any impropriety in its founding as "absolutely untrue".
Added Evans: "It was specifically patterned after well recognized trusts of prior Presidential candidates as well as high profile public servants. As with other public servants, there is no impropriety in the creation or operation of such a trust and any suggestion to the contrary is candidly absurd."
Evans, a partner in the firm of McKenna, Long & Aldridge, is a well known Republican attorney, having served as outside counsel to then Speakers Newt Gingrich (Ga.) and Dennis Hastert (Ill.).
UPDATE VIII: KTUU has Kristan Cole's statement:
"I haven't seen any report and as a matter of fact was just asked for additional information as of yesterday, July 20, 2009," Cole wrote. "Just a reminder that this legal expense fund was thoroughly vetted by numerous attorneys from Alaska to the East Coast. The purpose of the Trust is to help the Governor with the crushing legal fees she has incurred solely because of her public service."
UPDATE IX: Governor Palin issued the following statement on her Facebook page:
"I find the notion that I have taken any action pertaining to the legal defense trust fund misguided and factually in error. I am informed that this fund was created by experienced attorneys in DC and was modeled after other similar funds established for senators and others. The fund itself was not created by me nor is it controlled by me. Neither I nor my lawyer has received a penny from this fund, and I am informed the Trustee was withholding any action or payment pending final resolution with the Personnel Board. This is the hallmark of legal compliance and prudent conduct.
In short, I have not 'acted' relative to the defense fund and it is misleading to say I have. I have no doubt that the Trust will welcome guidance by the Board, as do we all, but it is my understanding that this matter was not resolved and the complainant's violation of law has served to mislead the public and prejudice a fair review of this matter."
Sarah Palin
UPDATE X: At Texas4Palin.blogspot.com, Josh Painter questions how independent an investigator Thomas Daniel really is:
So who is Thomas Daniel, and how "independent" an investigator is he?
Daniel is a lawyer employed by the firm of Perkins Coie, LLP. He contributed $1,000 to Democrat John Kerry's 2004 presidential campaign. Daniel has also donated to Alaska's Democrat U.S. Senator Mark Begich.
Perkins Coie, as it turns out, just happens to have Barack Obama as a client. More on Perkins Coie here:Perkins Coie often partners up with the ACLU and groups like MALDEF on such issues as immigration. Much of the political heavy lifting is done by former Kerry/Edwards 2004 General Counsel Mark Elias and Firmwide Chair, Political Law Practice Robert (Bob) Bauer. Both gentleman’s resumes read more like that of DNC staffers than of lawyers at a firm with the motto "Legal Counsel to Great Companies."
And speaking of the leftist ACLU, guess which attorney is a member? That's right. Thomas Daniel, who as an investigator is anything but independent. He's a liberal Democrat who is a member of the leftist ACLU.






455 comments:
I'll wait for the final report. BUT, perhaps it was already leaked early to the press, which is why Palin and Meg cannot verify the story.
If it was leaked, that's a crappy way to let the Governor know.
Lawyer Thomas Daniel works for Perkins Coie, which has offices all over the country. This group also represented Obama, John Kerry, and Chris Dodd in various campaigns.
Here's his info...
http://www.perkinscoie.com/tdaniel/
Rachel D'Ore!
Enough said.
That's what they do...announce a conclusion before it's reached. They post a conclusion based on a fantasy.
But then all those ethics violations "prove" Palin is a dirty politician right?
They just reported that she violated ethics law on Fox News. They didn't mention the tweet or that the AP story is not right. They just reported it as fact. This really upsets me, as something that is simply not true is again being reported as a fact.
The AP report says the Guv found out a week ago and her tweet indicates that she has asked for clarification... "new info was just requested"
I think she's all over this.
May be why she was sending so many tweets a few days ago about the ethics complaints.
Kim Chatman was quoted in one of the articles stating that the report had been sent to Palin a week ago and the fund should have been shut down.
Chatman is the leaker. Book it.
Fox just reported it as fact! did'nt even mention The Alaska trust fund just said Palin accepted gifts to pay off her debt.
The MSM is going to twist and spin this into this mega story to prove the the complaints against Sarah were not frivolous
And some people wonder, Holly, why so many say journalism is dead.
mudflats has the actual report, even though it's confidential...
http://www.themudflats.net/wp-content/uploads/ethicscomplaint.pdf
I have been listening to Eddie Burke. Someone in the studio spoke to Thomas Van Flein. He cannot break his silence, but the verdict is NOT final. Eddie is stressing that the report stated that the Governor MAY, MAY have violated what she is being accused of. Everyone, relax. The verdict is not in!!
Let's look at the bright side. Palin's twitter following should definitely get another boost from all this exposure over a non-story.
Yes. I know. I'm Little Miss Molly Sunshine. ;)
defendAmerica,
Perkins Coie's website states that the firm was General Counsel to the Obama for America campaign. That is a big deal.
Well as soon as I posted that it changed... the above link now goes to iron dog jacket complaint letter also by Thomas Daniel....
I'm quite tired of this crap.
I believe that the governor covered all of this with the Department of Law.
What's the deal?
defendAmerica...
I'd like to know how they got their hands on something like that.
Who leaked it to an obvious Palin foe?
IMHO there's a lawsuit there.
This is the best they can do before she leaves? If she has to give back the money I won't accept it, that's for sure.
And to think she has to endure two more years of this poop.
You just know that these same people will recycle all of these complaints these next few years, just to try to bankrupt her.
They won't be able to file any new charges, since she will no longer be Governor, but they will recycle this old garbage.
Sarah tweeted "Re inaccurate story floating re:ethics violation/Legal Defense Fund;matter is still pending;new info was just requested even;no final report.."
I believe Sarah over media everytime. :)
Here's the link to the personnel board ruling- for real this time!
http://media.adn.com/smedia/2009/07/21/14/Legal%20Defense.22542.source.prod_affiliate.7.pdf
The following is an email I just sent to Foxnews. If enough people email them they will feel onligated to correct. I emailed to special@foxnews.com
Your report that an independent investigation found that Palin violated ethics rules by accepting gifts came to me as a shock from a network that calls itself fair and balanced.
First of all you didn’t mention the gifts were donations to her Alaska Trust Fund, you made it sound as if she received the gifts in a backroom. Also the review has not been completed, refer to the Gov twitter (which I know you follow).
“Re inaccurate story floating re:ethics violation/Legal Defense Fund;matter is still pending;new info was just requested even;no final report”
Meghan Stapleton Palin’s Spokesperson just released this statement:
“I cannot verify the validity of this claim. There is no final report. The Investigator is still confidentially reviewing this matter. It appears suspect that in the final days of the Governor's term, someone would again violate the law and announce a supposed conclusion before it is reached.”
This is just another example of an AP reporter jumping the Gun to report a story to make Palin look Bad.
As a network that prides itself with the slogan We Report You Decide. I would expect you to report ALL the facts. Please ensure you correct it.
They cannot make her give the money back. They can fine her and maybe she is unethical. Well, let them say it, we know the truth.
What an absolute load of crap. Of course, all anyone will focus on is the AP headline and the first paragraph. AllahPundit posted it at HotAir within five minutes of it appearing, also commenting that he was assuming that it was malfeasance involving the fund.
Two things - how can a ruling like is quoted in this supposedly leaked decision be valid when the President of the United States did the same thing? Anyone remember the Clinton defense fund?
And, if it's true and she can't accept the money, I'd suggest anyone who donated the money to the defense fund turn around and donate to Sarahpac.
Good grief.
cjh
Eddie Burke also said on his radio program that Rachel D'Oro was at the Palin house when Sarah announced her resignation. A lady has made a claim that Rachel made a snide remark to her after Rachel saw the lady wearing a pro-Palin shirt. Rachel asked her "how can you support the Governor?" Supposedly a video camera recorded the event, so maybe there will be video implicating Rachel with intentional bias towards the Governor.
We need to make up an enemies list of anybody in AK state gov't who is unfriendly to Palin and start filing reams of ethics complaints and nuisance FOIA's against them. That's the only way this bullshit is going to stop. And Palin needs to sue the living shit out of anybody who reports this as well as whoever leaked it to the press.
Welcome to the New America everyone. This is what happens when you cross Obama, it's a sad day for American indeed, that a human being can be racked through the coals for daring to speak out against the Messiah. First of all, Fox News has become more liberal recently, because they fear being called the "Right wing network" also, if you all have noticed, they are MORE in the tank for Romney then anyone else. They are always promoting him, even Sean Hannity. They want Romney as the nominee, not Sarah Palin
@Hefmier
I'm not surprised at all, after all, Mark Levin calls it AP Obama. They are ALL in the tank for him
Hmmm.
I guess FNC doesn't let facts get in the way of baseless sensationalism. Go figure.
Perkins Coie is a Dem organization through n through. Read this article to see how much:
http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jromano/2009/05/07/perkins-coie/
Its pretty clear now that Obama is going after her in full force.
Whoa, slow down folks, think before you type. The firm doing the ethics investigations is the same firm that said most of the rest of them had no merit, so I'd think twice and three times about claiming Obama had anything to do with this. Leave the crazy conspiracy theories behind.
FNC is largely Romneyville.
“In his report, attorney Thomas Daniel said his interpretation of the ethics act is consistent with common sense.
An ordinary citizen facing legal charges is not likely to be able to generate donations to a legal defense fund, he wrote. "In contrast, Governor Palin is able to generate donations because of the fact that she is a public official and a public figure. Were it not for the fact that she is governor and a national political figure, it is unlikely that many citizens would donate money to her legal defense fund."
What crap! I don’t believe there was a single donation made to the fund because of the fact that she is a public official or governor. People would have donated whether she would be governor or not. The only thing her being governor did is make it necessary for her to need the fund in the first place. No ordinary citizen faces frivolous daily ethic complaints.
That posting is not the ruling. It is just that investigator's report isn't it???
A copy of the ruling was given to Chatman and also to Palin, with a specific warning that it is still confidential. Go to the link posted earlier and read the ruling. Chatman had to be the one to leak it. A copy of the ruling was given to her.
Until I hear it from Sarah, it is only a rumor.
This lawyer, Thomas Daniel, should never have been given this file due to his and HIS WIFE CAROL DANIEL's (also a lawyer) long term association with the Democratic Party. If he had ethics himself, he would have refused or recused himself from this assignment. I can't directly link Thomas and Carol Daniel's political contribution page from Open Secrets, so please go to this URL and follow the directions below:
http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/index.php
Once on the site:
(1)Last name - type in Daniel.
(2)State - click and scroll to Alaska and click on Alaska.
(3)Then scroll to the bottom of the page and check the "all cycles" box.
(4) Then enter the given code and click submit.
This will take you to a page showing all the donations Thomas and Carol Daniel have given to Obama, other Democrats and the DNC over the years.
It is not official. Read the personnel board ruling...
http://media.adn.com/smedia/2009/07/21/14/Legal%20Defense.22
It is good that she is seeking more clarification.
Fox News doing the hit job means that the establishment GOP wants to do on Sarah. Remember the Cheri Jacobus editorial that said knives will be sharpened more not less against her. It has begun.
the personnel report suggests that the guv give up the fund and use state money to pay the fees. hey thats sound good to me.
I'm sure C4P has covered this before. But why hasn't Gov. Palin sought reimbursement from the state for the dismissed complaints? Daniel's report says that is an option.
Thomas Daniel's ruling is nonsense. So he is saying that no Governor or President can ever set up a legal defense fund.
So, let's translate the report. Palin "may" have violated Alaska ethics by allowing the defense fund and the investigator indicates that Gov Palin should petition the State (i.e. the taxpayers of Alaska) to pay her legal bills instead of using donations. You go, Alaska Bloggers. Another 1/2 million for the citizens of Alaska to pay because of these ridiculous complaints. The AP headlines "Palin Implicated" -- what a travesty of journalistic ethics. A coordinated effort between D'Oro and Moore.
http://media.adn.com/smedia/2009/07/21/14/Legal%20Defense.22542.source.prod_affiliate.7.pdf
defendAmerica, when I go to your link it now says the page has been removed. This is the second time ADN has done that in two days; printed something that they should not, then remove it. Sort of, get the rumor out there, then pretend you care if it was legal or not to do it...very sneaky.
You guys need to wait for Sarah to speak on this; they did this same stuff to Hillary...Fox is not trustworthy as I posted earlier...no different than anyone else. Until you hear it from the horse's mouth, it means nothing.
I always thought the state should pay for it, anyway.
WHAT GIVES with Fox News!? They should NOT be reporting this as FACT, thus they are PROVING they are already in the tank for Romney.
I am SICK at this. God bless Sarah and her family.
@pumaforlife
I can still see it..
http://media.adn.com/smedia/2009/07/21/14/Legal%20Defense.22542.source.prod_affiliate.7.pdf
Look in the long run this is not going to hurt Gov. Palin at all it seems to be a technicality. I for one do not believe she did any thing improper at all. The hard part is to interpret the law when you are setting precedent in the first place. That was the first case under the Ethics Law.
This is a test case for the Law. It will work out. Now we know why Gov. Palin was so hesitant in setting this up in the first place.
LETS JUST WAIT AND SEE.
No need to jump of the bridge.
i think it's too long and getting cut off try...
http://tinyurl.com/lzmwn5
Blogger veritas said...
I'm sure C4P has covered this before. But why hasn't Gov. Palin sought reimbursement from the state for the dismissed complaints? Daniel's report says that is an option.
July 21, 2009 6:45 PM
At the risk of speaking for the Governor, here's my gut feeling.
I think she hates it that the Alaskan people are already getting screwed by these anklebiters' endless complaints that she'd be loathe to add to their burden.
I could be wrong of course but that's what my feelings are based on what we've seen about her thus far.
>> However, this decision is confidential pursuant to AS 39.52.340, unless confidentiality is waived by the governor.
Ok, so is this grounds for throwing the ruling out?
Maybe it's me or something; I was able to read it on the link now posted on the main article.
Read the report. My favorite part was the last bolded portion that was updated in this post. I'm sure it was not waived, especially since new information was just requested.
I also found it interesting that the recommendation was to have the state pay for it. That ought to go over really well with Alaskans.
There are few things that I despise, the Mainstream Media is one of them.
CodaCuda:
How could she have done anything wrong when she was scrupulous in the setting up of the fund in the first place?
What mystifies me is that Sarah said she had checked this out with the Law Dept. before setting up the fund...weird
Tbone:
Good point. SarahPac lists plenty of other (Democrats) Legal Defense Funds as examples. Why weren't the hypocrites upset about those too?
http://www.thealaskafundtrust.com/site/downloads/senator_kerry.pdf
http://www.thealaskafundtrust.com/site/downloads/senator_clinton.pdf
http://www.thealaskafundtrust.com/site/downloads/president_clinton.pdf
http://www.thealaskafundtrust.com/site/downloads/representative_gephardt.pdf
As I understand it, no monies have been used from the Alaska Fund Trust to pay for legal fees, right?
She has no control over the funds and her name is not on the fund.
AND the FBI was not interested in her at all...
One ASS with an OPINION!
Statement from Palin Attorney
Thomas Van Flein Regarding Latest Ethics News ReportShare
Today at 4:03pm
"The resolution of the Trust Fund is not final. I have been working with the investigator regarding supplemental information. The matter is still pending. Whatever you have seen was released in violation of law. There has been no Board finding of an ethics violation and there is a detailed legal process to follow before there is a final resolution."
Thomas Van Flein
Private Attorney for Sarah Palin
Is this the icebertg?
Foxnews just wants Sarah to appear to clear the record, but I would be hard press to accuse them of being in the tank for Romney! I haven't heard any news of Romney in forever. Whereas with Palin its almost a nightly obsession, whether its Beck, O'Reilly, Van Susteren, Hannity, Special Report, Cavuto, etc. So let's not throw them completely overboard. Let them jump to conclusions; it only makes the vindication to come that much sweeter.
ABC radio news now broadcasting the allegation that "Palin may have violated ethics laws" on its hourly news cast.
As for not letting the state pay for her, Mccain campaign was responsible for that. Didn't they shut it down fearing and tell her RNC would pay for it?
BTW, looks like this was what the John Coale leak was what all about. The Gov. stays on top of it and I'm glad that Coale is (still) on her side. Good.
Let me get this straight, Palin can turn around and bill the state of Alaska for her legal bills. Oh, that's real nice, instead of letting her supporters pay the bill, all the people in AK supporters or not get to pay it. I'm sure they are all cheering Chatman for being of such a service to the state.
Since Chatman obviously leaked this report, in violation of the law, wouldn't that be an actionable offense. Perhaps a lawsuit in the amount of $1 million. As someone else pointed out, isn't it unethical to have someone who has represented an
0bama front group rule on anything related to Gov. Palin? I think that should itself be a huge part of this story.
Palin should sue Chatman and submit all her legal bills for all the ethics complaints that have been dismissed, all 15 or 18 or however many there has been, and let the state pay them.
I did read somewhere a long time ago that the state authorized $90,000 for her defense in the tasergate case, but she turned it down because she didn't think it was right to stick the state with a bill for an obviously politically inspired attack. That $90,000 should now be paid to Palin's attorney, and his bills for all the other complaints should also likewise be paid.
If I get my $150 donation to AFT back, I will immediately donate it to SarahPAC.
techno and Puma for Life:
It is legal and will be ruled "legal" eventually -- I've donated to both -- the ankle-biters are pulling out all of the stops until then. I can't wait for 2012.
I agree e-mail Fox at this e-mail adress.
newsmanager@foxnews.com
Gang,
It sounds like Palin wants the matter to go before the Personnel Board.
That's what she means by final report.
I think it's interesting that in his statement on Sarah's facebook page, he is now listing himself as "Private Attorney for Sarah Palin"
Greg:
I think it was $95,000 (compared to $100,000 budgeted by the Alaska legislature to investigate her). I think it's better that she NOT touch that State money but pursue the Alaska Fund Trust alternative.
Facebook and Tweeter updates are amazing. Sarah Palin is on the ball!
defendAmerica:
After this weekend, everyone working for her is back to "private" capacity. I hope she kicks it into high gear starting Monday morning!
The fox & Friends guys love Sarah and always take her side.
Megan Kelly is in the tank for Sarah
Jane Skinner seems natural
Martha & Trace seem to always justify Sarah
Cavuto, Back always support Sarah
O’Reilly & Hannity are in the tank for her they are just trying very hard to seem that aren’t
Greta I think also supports Sarah but because of the media reports about her and Sarah she’s trying to make it seem like she’s cooled off.
Shep. doesn’t take her side but always makes fun of those who keep criticizing her.
I think Fox is a little confused how to handle Sarah because they don’t know her plans and that leaves them in a dilemma. If they fully support Sarah and she doesn’t run it’ll backfire on them by the other candidates. Yet they don’t want to rule her out because they like her.
Also during the Election Fox kept on criticizing the media for being in the tank for Obama I think they are going out of their way not to seem like they are in the tank for Sarah.
Hence, contradicting impressions from Fox.
I believe that the moment Sarah announces she’s running she’ll have the entire force of Foxnews behind her.
Okay, I re-read the report, CALMLY this time.
This report only SEEMED fair, but if it is in fact only a preliminary draft of sorts, and NOT an actual "finding" of an ethics violation, then its being leaked SHOULD BE ILLEGAL.
Of course, we're dealing with Alaska here, and their laws (as this report states) aren't as helpful/up-to-date as other states' measures and practices are.
Maybe people weren't as careful as they should have been when setting up the fund?
Still, Fox News should have done FAR more research before reporting everything as final! AWFUL! I called their 1-888 number and told them so, too....
The report is on HA. In a nutshell the reviewer is saying that legal defense funds for governors are not permissible under the law "as written." And as AP notes over at HA, the reviewer basically acknowledges that the law as written is completely unfair; the governor can get hit with multiple frivolous ethics complaints but can't set up a fund to defend herself from them. And the State AG can't help out with regard to ethics complaints either. In other words, the finding is that under the current law, the governor is screwed. The finding also hints repeatedly that the law needs to be changed. Obviously this will be spun to make Palin look bad, but this is complete and total crap.
Just for fun, here is Dennis Miller talking about the Peggy Noonan takedown over at American Thinker...
http://hbhls.blogspot.com/2009/07/peggy-noonan-takedown.html
Does anyone have contact information for these Palin ankle-biters, so we can use our First Amendment rights to tell them to BRING IT ON!!!!
Yep, that will be interesting Puma.
What bothers me is the perception this creates. We all know the truth, but the public runs with the perception the media paints.
That's what pisses me off.
I am so mad I could spit nails. Make that bullets.
latinchic:
Which is why we need to be ever-vigilant. Just like when I (kindly) point out to someone that Tina Fey was the one who said "I can see Russia from my house!" After a few times of the TRUTH being pointed out, open-mindeded people start to think for themselves, maybe she's not everything bad the liberals are always lying about?
Take it easy , there will be workarounds.
Hefmeir, thanks for that information. I was just thinking that probably Palin is appealing or rebutting this proposed decision. Where did you read that?
I personally think Sarah should take the money from the state; if the state had to pay for these bills, they would have changed that ethics law by now.
Why can ADN publish something that is confidential and get away with it? Why doesn't Sarah sue? And for that fact, the state.
It's amazing. They hate Sarah SO MUCH that it's almost a full-time job for all of us to defend her against stupid claims.
Can you imagine if we didn't? Oh my.
Well, if the ruling goes against her, I hope she sets up another fund as a private citizen. She can keep my money in any fund that she sets up and I'm sure those who donated feel the same way.
I think Sarah should make a – convention style - prime time farewell speech. She needs to come out front and centre with attack.
How about she does it tomorrow at 8pm when Obama has his press conference. Which story do you think will get more coverage?
How big will the libs blow this one up? Harass her enough, something will stick. They will now try to label her as corrupt as if they knew it all along. And, how far along that line of thinking will the MSM go with their reporting?
Mallard T. Drake on July 21, 2009 at 7:08 PM
Its already happening. Some of my family members think that she embezzled public funds, that’s why she was resigning of else why else would she do that?
The huge ruckus during her resignation about another shoe dropping etc was all to prepare the public for this piece of shinola. Now they’ll shrug their shoulders and say they were right all along.
I think Palin is learning a lesson here: In politics, it's hard being ethical.
Puma for Life:
Like it, or not, Gov. Palin is a "public figure" so the standard is higher for a defamation lawsuit. The NYT published secret Pentagon Papers too, pursuant to the First Amendment. I am not aware of any other grounds to sue ADN (hopefully, they go out of business the old-fashioned way: lack of audience and sponsors, just like Air America going bankrupt). If they publish something with the knowledge it is false, then she could sue.
wisetrog:
Point out to your family members that both Obama and Biden "resigned" their Senate seats. Using their "logic" they were embezzling too? Sounds like the same type of Palin haters who really think that she said "I can see Russia from my house!"
As I understand it, the investigator gives his report to the 3 person personnel board. ( and I'm sure he sends copies to the filer and the Gov.)
Then the personnel board decides from his report. It apparently hasn't even got to the personnel board yet or they are in the process of reviewing it.
Chatman leaked it. They are still reviewing it. What the heck is the consequence of releasing the report when it specifically said not too?
Let me guess. Probably nothing. The laws in Alaska seem so backward to me right now.
Maybe I'm not reading it correctly but IMHO, I don't think it matters much. The investigator is just recommending the Gov not accept the money. There is no language in his report that says she has to give the money back and not use it
Another desperate attempt to make the Gov look bad.
I sent an email to Fox and told them to put up Van Fleins statement. Maybe if enough people sent off an email it would help.
Beehive:
Already done! As far as I know, she hasn't used ANY monies from the Alaska Fund Trust to pay for legal fees, right?
the american press has officially declared war on the american public....the difference is now they are making no bones about it....it is out in the open to see
--Palin Democrat
I hope all this ethics complaint stuff is spelled out in great detail in her book. Since the book will undoubtedly be a best seller, it will go a long way towards clearing up the whole mess.
If they send me back the money I gave Sarah I will send a check to her house. I don't want the money back, I sent the money to Sarah and it's for her. I am SO sick of this crap, thanks a lot idiots who voted for Obama, he ha single handily DESTROYED This country to the point of maybe no return. I don't even recognize this country anymore. What the libs, the media have done to this woman is UNFORGIVABLE
Charles
I remember an interview a couple of weeks back and Kristan Cole said that they couldn't use the money while there was and ethics complaint filed.
So no, I don't think any money from the fund has been used.
Much ado about nothing.. another desperate attempt to make Sarah look bad.. How bogus !! Let me donate to SarahPac right now. God Bless the Palin Family !!
From @AmandaCarpenter
I've got the story on report leaked to the AP that supposedly says Palin will be found guilty of ethics violation: http://tinyurl.com/n5lmoq
John Coale, a Washington lawyer who helped set up the fund, called the probable cause finding "crazy," adding that if upheld, it would mean that no governor could ever defend themselves against frivolous ethics complaints.
"If this complaint is true, there's no way to defend yourself" as governor, Coale said. "Anybody can keep filing ethics complaints and drive someone out of office even if you're a nut."
Coale said that unlike other states, Alaska's governor has no legal counsel's office to defend the governor from allegations brought against the governor in her official capacity.
Coale said he recommended creation of the legal defense fund, a common practice in Washington. The Web site for the Palin fund cites similar accounts created for Hillary Clinton, John Kerry and other prominent politicians.
Greg:
Good point, as I know I will be purchasing as many copies of her best seller as I can, giving it to friends and family!
Beehive:
Thanks for the confirmation.
I probably shouldn't curse on this blog.. so please excuse my french.. but I AM ABSOLLUTELY SICKKKK OF THIS S**T!
F*** ALL THIS PRESS>>>>> THEY AREN"T THE PRESS! THEY ARE NOTHING BUT AN EXTENSION OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION..
I WILL NEVER EVER AS LONG AS I LIVE TRUST ANYONE OF THEM! EVER!
--Palin Democrat
Daniel's ruling that private citizens don't have the ability to raise funds for a legal defense is nuts. I, on two ocassions, have donated to private citizens who have set up legal defense funds to fight Government abuse. I'm sure Sarah's lawyer can provide many examples to show Daniel's reasoning is faulty. He was just trying to construct any reason he could to rule out the Defense Fund an ethics violation. He was being purely political - and he is a federal Democrat.
What Sarah should do is get an agreement with her lawyers to defer payment for another 2 years. She could agree to pay annual compound interest of 15% to them. It then becomes a nice little 2 year high yielding investment for her lawyers with certain repayment in 2 years time. In the meantime the Fund can keep collecting donations as long as she doesn't accept the money for 2 years.
John Coale is Greta's hubby.. he is a staunch democrat and a Palin supporter..
Dan C
Do you have a link for the Coale statement?
Thanks
I sure do. His statement is at the bottom. AP has been updating their hit piece.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090721/ap_on_re_us/us_palin_ethics_complaint
They leaked it because the personnel board probably won't rule on it until after July 26 and then the ruling would be worthless because Gov. Palin would no longer be governor.
The ruling wants her to turn down the funds as governor.
Weird thing is most of these complaints were filed AFTER he VP run and the firm who handled them was a DEM clearinghouse. See any connections here? Someone argued that because these selfsame people have backed her in other ethics complaints so we shouldn’t assume any wrongdoing. But what the dems wanted is not to find her guilty of ethics violations when she didn’t but stymie her and keep her pinned in Alaska.
promachus on July 21, 2009 at 7:40 PM
If the state forces the fund to return my contribution, then my freedom of political speech has been violated by the state of Alaska.
I will have a valid cause of action as will every other fund contributor.
I'll donate the $150 to Sarahpac but if there is an Alaskan trial lawyer reading this thread. He or she can have my case.
Beehive said...
Charles
I remember an interview a couple of weeks back and Kristan Cole said that they couldn't use the money while there was and ethics complaint filed.
So no, I don't think any money from the fund has been used.
July 21, 2009 7:34 PM
Could you post a link to this? I must have missed this one.
sarah supporters.. PLEASE note.. many hillary supporters like myself DO NOT TRUST THE AP ONE TINY BIT!
we know exactly what they are doing.. b/c they did the same crap to Hillary...
this really upsets me! they are going after this woman for anything and everything.... I do not believe one freaking word they say anymore..
YOU HEAR THAT OBOT TROLLS????? YOU have almost converted this staunch democrat into a republican with your incessant harassment of this woman!
--Palin Democrat
Rusty:
I'm not sure that would pass IRS scrutiny.
I am off to donate more $$ to SarahPac.. heck I might donate the limit today.. this whole thing has got me upset..
--Palin Democrat
If the republican party had any guts at all they would announce today that from now on, they will file hundreds of ethics complaints against democrats in Alaska, present and future. They will have their families bankrupted. The right never fights dirty like the left and thats why they lose. Taking the high road does not work in real life. If this is how they want to attack Palin, then why can't their side be attacked the same way? If I was the GOP, I would literally file hundreds of ethics complaints against the next democratic governor or any other state office holder. Lets bankrupt them. Lets destroy them. After all, I am just playing by the rules that the left has set.
I sit here in tears, because I can't believe what they are doing to this woman. There is a special place in hell for people like Chatman & Mcleod, and I hope it burns for a long time!!!
Dan C, GOP? They must be happy that the Dems are doing their work for them. They want her destroyed.
i think a little calm is required. if the guv follows the recommendation then the state will pay for her fees so either way the guv is the winner here.
reserve another chair at that table for shannyn moore
If Sarah is found guilty of this, all this proves is unfortunately what I have believed for a while, this country is no longer the United States of America, I'm sorry to say it but it's true, and it's a sad day for this country, Obama is the most dangerous President we have ever had, this is scary times for everyone. What they have done to this woman is BEYOND CRIMINAL
New facebook statement from the Gov's lawyer:
"All options are open in terms of legal remedies. It is a clear violation of Alaska law that Mr. Daniel explicitly reviewed with Ms. Chatman prior to her illegal actions. We will be contacting the appropriate authorities for review and action." Thomas Van Flein Private Attorney for Sarah Palin
wisetrog, your 100% right. I should have thought of that. It makes me sick. I was glad to see John Coale so forcefully denounce this and he is no legal slouch. I just wish we could do more to help this situation. We are literally living in a country with a pravda media that is almost impossible to fight.
Ace has a post up on this now, and just as always, the trolls are coming out of the woodwork: http://minx.cc/?post=289946
Go on over there and have some fun.
Search for "Kim Chatman" on this blog and take a look at how many times her name pops up alongside Rachel D'Oro's.
Just sayin'.
"AP gets it wrong."
Why am I not surprised?
What is surprising is how many people think they have something worth reading.
Hoe the mighty have fallen.
Consider this post from AOSHQ:
So Palin can't have a legal defense fund, but Barry Obama can take 10x10 to the 25th power from the likes of Doodad Pro, and not a peep of interest from the AP?
Dan C:
I agree, but don't leave it to the GOP. Start filing these ethics complaints yourself.
Lakerfanalways:
I 100% agree with you.. and while you may be a republican and I am a democrat.. the more important point is that we are both americans..
and since they continue to go after this woman.. BOTH SIDES.. YES>> YOU GUYS BETTER WAKE UP.. BOTH SIDES ARE SCARED OF THIS WOMAN....!!
and if Sarah ever runs.. you will have america-loving-civility-loving-americans like us PUMAs along your side fighting for Sarah..
--Palin Democrat.
Thank you, Tim!
Good. It appears that Van Flein has counseled the Governor to play hardball with the D's.
Attack, attack, attack.
wisetrog said...
The report recommends that Palin refuse to accept payment from the defense fund, and that the complaint be resolved without a formal hearing before the Alaska Personnel Board."
The last part makes me mad. Who is this idiot to suggest that the complaint may not go to Personnel Board?
July 21, 2009 7:57 PM
I am glad Van Flein says all options are on table and is not going by the criminal attorney's recommendations.
"All options are open in terms of legal remedies. It is a clear violation of Alaska law that Mr. Daniel explicitly reviewed with Ms. Chatman prior to her illegal actions. We will be contacting the appropriate authorities for review and action."
Thomas Van Flein
Private Attorney for Sarah Palin
Go get em Gov!!
We are with ya!!
Tim, I hope we can overcome them. I truly do. But how can we with this onslaught on a daily basis? It worries me deeply, but I figure if we lose then at least I die fighting the good fight. Thats all I hang my hat on these days.
Chatman ran to D'Oro after filing the complaint to publicize it.
Chatman ran to D'Oro to discuss the Juneteenth lawsuit after attaching her name to it.
Chatman ran to D'Oro with this recommendation.
D'Oro has asked someone in public how they could possibly support Governor Palin.
If anyone believes the media isn't working hand-in-hand with the anklebiters then I would really like some of whatever it is that they're smoking.
I'm reading that she got clearing from Law department of Alaska about the defense fund earlier, right?
Does Kim Chatman have a REAL job?
Also, this is veey interesting that all this breaks as Obama's polls are falling and his healthcare bill is dieing.
FIVE WORDS:
Shocked I tell you....NOT.
FOUR WORDS:
Fox is for Romney?
Is it just possible that this c/b aimed at keeping her occupied / wounded so that when Sunday comes she can't come out and lead the opposition to the Crap & Trade nonsense? Maybe they fear she might lead effective opposition to the LifeboatObamaCare they are trying to push thru?
No, that couldn't be it at all. This is all just about ethics....right?
1-20-13, let the sunshine in on all the crookedness of both parties in the Beltway. The Palin revolution has begun!!
btw... since you repubs may only be sort of aware who John Coale is.. yes.. he is greta's hubby.. BUT he is a PUMA.. he is a registered democrat who supported and campaigned for Mccain/Palin..
ALSO.. HE IS A BIG BIG TIME FUNDRAISER FOR THE DEMS.. so his support of Palin in this matter is HUGE!!!!!!!!
I am not aware of the politics within the repub party... since I am not a repub.. but I seriously ask you guys to stay vigilant agn repub attacks against sarah!!
--Palin Democrat
Mel,
Please delate that sorry POS sjk
Thank You
Dan C,
dieing = dying (just looking out) :)
American soldiers fighting evil for freedom. Sarah is no different.
The only problem with accepting the funds from the state (taxpayers) is it would fly in the face of a central reason for her resignation. It seems to me Alaska is the only state where a governor can defend them self yet its unethical to pay for it. That's just about the most ass backwards thing I have ever heard of.
baboon, Sorry I type too fast when I am angry.
FOUR WORDS:
On the bright side....
All these investigations and continuing stream (provided she comes off completely blameless)just innoculate her to the next 11 1/2 years that she'll be facing.
Do you think she realizes that she'll be fighting this junk until 1-20-21 or later?
And the hate will it ever end?
They still hate Thatcher!!
1-20-13, wouldn't it be great if the Iron Lady could be there? If not maybe her daughter.
Mel,
Thank You
yeah i think calm is required. she can't be found quilty since she hasn't used the money yet.
Is it just me or does TVF give a tingle up the legs of other C4P ladies?
;)
I would love it if Gov. Palin announced she was running for President DURING Obama's press conference tonight.
sjk, wow another troll. Can we please ban these trolls and get it over with. John Coale is well known and well respected in washington circles. Sorry LOL.
LOL Charles!
I will be very interested to see what Greta has to say because legally speaking it was her husband who helped set the fund up. If he didn't dot his i's or cross his t's that doesn't look good for Greta. If that is the case then I don't think she will mention this at all.
If they know that this is just smoke and mirrors and that Sarah is in the clear for the legal fund then I think Greta will mention it in a 'guess what now' type report. I would expect Coale to come out against the report but he also states that this is the way Washington does it and Alaska appears to be different.
If the Law department cleared the fund then I don't see how it violates any laws.
Also, the way i read it says Sarah as GOv. should not use the money. What about Sarah as Alaskan?? Is she still prohibited once she is private citizen?? Is has already been raised. She hasn't touched it as Governor so how can it be improper gifts, she hasn't received it yet? She also wouldn't be raising it as private citizen. Once she is private she can do as she pleases with a gift.
Am I off base in this thinking???
Dan C;
you repubs will have PUMAs right there fighting along your side..
I'm not sure if the repubs on this site are aware of what PUMAs are.. but after the dem. primaries were stolen from Hillary.. a good amount of moderate/conservative dems (Hillary dems) decided we could not support the radical Obama .... so we went with Mccain/Palin.... many millions of were/are staunch dems.. conservative dems... people like Lady Lynn Rothchild, John Coale.. and many many many others.. who crossed over..
I know some have commented here that if Hillary runs against radical Obama.. we would go back to her.. while that may be true for some PUMAs.. there are other PUMAs like me who will not..
I will be a Palin democrat.. NOT a Romney democrat not a Huckabee democrat.. A PALIN DEMOCRAT..
(and I suspect lady lynn and john coale and other big time democrat fundraisers will be Palin democrats as well)
DO NOT GIVE UP! THIS FIGHT IS WORTH FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
--Palin democrat
More Perkins Coie:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2297729/posts?page=283#283
Charles, she was a Begich campaign worker, according to some.
JLipp18,
Agree. It would be difficult for her to accept state funds because her resignation speech clearly stated that she was stepping down to save Alaskans money and resources. Accepting the money from the state flies in the face of her reason for resigning.
"I would love it if Gov. Palin announced she was running for President DURING Obama's press conference tonight."
------------------
That would kick so much ass!
JLipp, she said she resigned because it cost the state to much time and money , it would just cost them more if the payed her fees to.
firelight, Coale has come out against it. His response is at the bottom.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090721/ap_on_re_us/us_palin_ethics_complaint
Gang,
My advice would be to not chase this issue with the law firm connection. It sounds conspiratorial.
The most relevant part of Daniel's finding is this:
"The report recommends that Palin refuse to accept payment from the defense fund, and that the complaint be resolved without a formal hearing before the Alaska Personnel Board."
So this investigator has recommended no further action. So all this news is about nothing that will happen in the future.
yes.. dan C is absolutely correct.. John Coale is a very well respected lawyer in DC and nation wide as well and a very successful longtime fundraiser for the dems...
ok.. I have donated another good chunk of money to Sarah Pac today....
--Palin Democrat
So tired of these idiotic accusations. Because Palin is well-known, she violated ethics?! Because the average person can't attract donors and she can, it's a crime??
S any charity that advertises makes me aware of them and makes me more likely to contribute. Is that unethical? The Sierra Club, Red Cross? Because they get donations b/c they are well known, then they can't use money? What bull. Any charity tries to advertise their cause and by being well known, they get better donations.
Rachel D'ore...oh, that's the same biased reporter to whom C4P reached out to for corrections on somne previous incorrect reporting right?? This is a pattern now. Let's do a Susan Roesgen (ex-CNN anti-tax day tea party "journalist").
oh no! radical Obama is speaking again tonight?!?!?!?
why can't he JUST SHUT UP????
go work on his arugula garden or something!
and stop messing up this country!
-Palin Democrat
o/t the guv's got pinics in wasilla on 24th, anchorage on 25th and fairbanks on 26th.
man thats gotta be fun :)
Look, the media is complicit in this, but lets focus back on the real problem here, and that is Daniel's ruling. If he had not come up with this ruling, none of this would be occuring.
As John Coale has said, the ruling of probable cause by Daniel is CRAZY. Anyone reading it can see it is illogical and circular in its reasoning. Daniel was simply trying to come up with some argument to rule the Fund an ethics violation. Given his long history of support for the Democratic Party he should never have been given this file!
Let's clearly distinguish between (1) the "crazy" ruling; (2) the leaking of the report to the press; and (3) the media bias and sensationalism. The last two issues only occur because of the first. In defending Sarah on this we need to focus on how crazy this ruling is. Just as John Coale has done. And if the Personnel Board accepts this ruling then a person would be nuts to accept the job of Governor.
I think Sarah needs to fight this and take it to the Personnel Board. This will help to explain to Americans why she had to leave office, and how the Democrats are behind this.
Tommy:
I'm not worried about the legal fallout from this -- you're right, there won't be any. But, there will be some (at least short term) political fallout by the way D'Oro has presented the issue in her article and how the rest of the MSM is picking up her spin. "Palin implicated in ethics probe." "Evidence Palin violated ethics laws."
I hope the Governor DOES decide to fight this. I have read the comments about the Dept of Law pre-review of the issue. I cannot remember, though, if that happened and if it is considered extenuating. If so, how could Daniel go ahead and make the findings he did? Something ain't right.
Rusty,
I agree she should take it to the Personnel Board.
However, do not accusee Daniels of being a Democrat hack. This sounds conspiratorial
Just be calm about it.
It is weird to me that the ethics charge regarding SarahPac was thrown out while this one the attorney was recommending she really could not have it since she raised money supposedly because she had recognition from being govrnor.
Couldn't you say the same thing about the Pac? Or am I confused that that one has already been thrown out. Seems like you could say the same thing about the Pac.
Perhaps a similar occurance happened regarding the Pac one but there was NO LEAK before the Personnel Board ruled.
By the way, if I were on the Personnel Board, I would be wanting lots of info on how this was leaked, that taints the whole process and there should be a zero tolerance on leaks like that.
TommyReport,
Daniel is saying that she should take a $200k+ hit and have the stain of his probable cause finding without the Board reviewing the case. How is that a good result?
I think the prior Dept. of Law ruling was regarding the book, but I may be wrong.
Obama can't shut up.
Campaigning is all he knows how to do.
Governor Palin keeps a secret better than anyone I've ever seen. She has known about this for a week.
Rachel D'Oh!
This whole makes me sick. There will be no legal fallout for her, but this is all an attempt to smear her and destroy her character.
The AP should be sued. The governor has not broken any ethical law.
It is like Gov. Palin said during the compaign, once you put the lie out there it is hard to correct.
This was a smear job by the AP, Chapman, and the private investigator.
Time was running for all the kooks.
Nancy, LOL :) That was great!
Also, if I were Sarah I would be tempted to call in to a Fox show tonight that is done live and set the record straight.
Remember the FBI stepping up and shooting down the probe/indictment bull?
Sarah could do the same with one phone call.
Take it to the personnel board. Don't listen to a word Daniels says.
Then sue both Daniels for his crime and Chatham for her crime.
The attorney is wrong. First, he assumes that since Kristan Cole set this up, Governor Palin - not private citizen Palin - was pulling the strings. There's no way to prove that and he doesn't even try.
Second, he says that even though the donations are all under $150, if the TOTAL is over $150, that violates the rules on accepting gifts.
That's goofy - that would mean that no elected official could accept a total over $150 ----- ever.
If Palin reports these contributions - which she will - and if she didn't solicit contributions as Governor - which she didn't - she is clear.
And why is this ethical attorney discussing this matter while it is still under confidential review by the Ethics board?
If Sarah is forced to give the money back from the defense fund, that's fine, everyone will take that money and give it right back to her Pac. We all have to STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY. Obama is the most dangerous president we have ever had, he makes Carter look like a damn saint. I am sick of this crap, Sarah has been through HELL for defending our country and having the GUTS To speak out against Marxism. I knew this was coming from the top, now it has been confirmed, the lawyer Daniel, he worked for Obama and Kerry and even Mark Begich, so yeah, all the Dem loons in a room all conspiring together, SICKENING!
Gov. Palin went to the Department of Law, and made sure all the legal parameters followed Alaskan law before she set up the defense fund.
I've a feeling that's the follow up information Palin is talking about and providing, thus the personnel board is likely to rule there is no problem.
Rachel D'Oro has now changed the headline to "Investigator rules against Palin in ethics probe." It was something like 'Palin implicated in ethics probe' earlier.
And we should focus on this Rachel D'Oro who didn't bother to answer to C4P's well-researched argumetns about another false claim that she and a fellow writer had done.
Like I say, I hope they all go in the way of Susan Roesgen, the CNN biased, argumentative journalist whose contract was not renewed. These people are TERRIBLE at their jobs and should be fired. There may be worthier writers who are unemployed who deserve their jobs more.
First, Daniel is only the independent (hack) investigator. He makes no official rulings and only offers opinion based on 'his' findings.
The final ruling belongs to the personnel board and only them. They will take this report into consideration along with Van Fleins rebuttal. Then an official ruling comes out.
The personnel board will hopefully see this opinion as 'crazy' and take into account that the department of law was consulted and that in and of itself shows a conscientious ethic.
I find it interesting that Daniel is encouraging the Gov. not to pursue this. I wonder why????
To Tim: I agree wholeheartedly about the PUMA's. I was one of them until I changed my party affiliation to "independent". I didn't leave my party, my party left me. I no longer consider myself a conservative dem but an independent with libertarian leanings and forever a Palin supporter.
Well, when it does come out of the Personnel Board as clearing Palin I hope she burns up her twitter account posting about it and racks up a huge cell phone bill calling in to every news show on earth to say she was cleared.
Besides, who knows how much of this back and forth asking for more info., clarification and rebuttal stuff went on with OTHER ethics complaints, its just none of the reports were leaked to abide by the law.
Yes, I think the guv needs to look into the leak, actually the Personnel Board does. This makes THEM look bad and like hacks, I would be very upset if I were them. This underminds their work, and they seem to be very good people.
So,
In order to save the taxpayers of Alaska from having to foot the bill for their governor being assaulted by assinine, non-stop lawsuits (all of which were thrown out), the Guv sets up a Defense Fund which may (or may not) be unethical according to some "Section 8, Paragraph 3" type technicality, is the jist of this "blockbuster".
C'mon. Why are people here gettting antsy? Win or lose, Sarah's rep benefits. She can use it as a talking point. It underscores her reason for stepping down!
As to Fox, the news dept. is run by insider Repub types. Until you get to Cavuto, you're dealing with teleprompter readers (and one Lib-Shep).
Cool. The PUMAs over at The Confluence are just as outraged over this... read the comments; they're comforting and these are from liberals!
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2009/07/21/catch-23/#comments
The Fox Nation has linked back to this site for discussion on Sarah's tweets about driver's licenses for illegal aliens.
Go C4P!
This is a smear job and it will be in all the newspapers tomorrow.
When it is ruled the Fund is legal the correction will be in tiny print on page 15.
The personnel board will hopefully see this opinion as 'crazy' and take into account that the department of law was consulted and that in and of itself shows a conscientious ethic.
That's why it was very sneaky of Daniel to recommend that this be resolved without getting the Personnel Board involved.
Exactly. This is all about smearing Sarah.
"The fox & Friends guys love Sarah and always take her side.
Megan Kelly is in the tank for Sarah"
You're right Sheya. I haven't seen much of them, but I've heard others say the same.
I was referring more to the headline writers and reporters who just read what they write.
Mark RNY
Yes, Shep is a liberal and he doesn't speak kindly of Sarah. He loves to report the 'rumors'. There are quite of few libs on during the day and on Fox business.
BOR is ambivalent to Sarah because she hasn't graced his show. Greta hides her support for Sarah but she doesn't support her. Hannity and Beck are strong supporters and Cavuto is as well on financial issues but he is fond of romney too.
Fox really is 'fair and balanced' but I think they should be careful reported such a rumor as fact.
If I were a Democratic Pol (or any other eastcoast elite for that matter) I would be scared sh**less over the non-defense-fund thing. Lots of them would be in jail were it not for their defense funds.
Not to raise ghosts from the long distant past, but does this not make some of you conservatives feel just a little bit remorseful about the all the legal battles the Clintons faced in the 90s? I was a Democrat back then and thought Ken Starr was being frivolous ...
I'm just saying ...
So much of our politics has degenerated into "personal destruction."
I wish we could just disagree on the issues and use a little common sense.
There is the "letter of the law" and the "spirit of the law."
Sometimes we need to look beyond the letter of the law. What Sarah did was try to save the taxpayers of Alaska money by raising money for her own defense.
If THAT violates ethics laws, then the ethics laws are crappy. Someone posted that it's difficult to be an honest politician. I totally agree.
The one thing I did question was why Sarah named it the Alaska Defense Fund. It seemed like she was trying to be magnanimous toward the state but it did raise a question in my mind: whose money is this?
Anyway, my two cents.
Am I wrong to like the picture The Confluense is running?
Larry, the ruling only applies to members of Alaska's executive branch. Mores the pity.
Hi guys,
I'm trying to figure this whole thing out. I'm reading things but I'm not exactly sure what to believe. HELP!
TommyReport:
Daniel has a history of political support for the Democrats. That is public information. Because of the politically sensitive nature of this case, he should never have been assigned the case and/or he should have refused it. Even if his ruling is fair, he is placed in a position of perceived conflict. I recognize it is often hard to find a lawyer not connected to one party or another. Therefore, they should have assigned the case to a retired judge or court master to rule on. Once lawyers become judges they stop donating to political parties and try to keep their distance from politics.
This wasn't some minor ethics charge like the jacket issue. The defense Fund is a major issue that will set a precedent for ethics laws in Alaska. It will also have major financial implications for not only this Governor but future Governors as well.
M03:
Only one quibble, the fund is The Alaska Fund Trust, not Alaska Defense Fund.
How does MAY violated = rules against?
An independent investigator has found evidence that Gov. Sarah Palin MAY have violated ethics laws by trading on her position in seeking money for legal fees, in the latest legal distraction for the former vice presidential candidate as she prepares to leave office this week.
Investigator rules against Palin in ethics probe
ironically the attention will probably drive more funds to the AFT.
Does anybody have this Rachel D'Oro email and her bosses.
I think there might be a toaster involved as the prize in a bizarre contest these Alaska anklebiters have got going.
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