Washington Whispers: Bloggers Positive About Palin's Resignation
Chalk up another strange twist in the Sarah Palin affair. Just when we thought blogger attacks on the Alaska guv would spike, her surprise resignation is being met with positive blog buzz. Whereas her "Zeta Buzz" was 54 percent negative before her weekend resignation press conference, it has since changed to 69 percent positive, say our friends at Zeta Interactive. Here's what they tell us about Palin:
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Following her resignation on July 3rd, activity in the blogosphere spiked dramatically, as did positive posts on the topic of Palin. The past five days has shown a significant increase in positive buzz on the Governor, coming in at 69% Positive and 31% Negative.
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Checkmate (on Obama/Dems/MSM/RINOS)
Palin gave up one pawn (Alaska Governorship) and has won the match!
Facts like the 'Zeta buzz' and the exponential increase in Sarah's Twitter and Facebook membership are obvious signs that her resignation has been met with ways more thumbs up than thumbs down.
And then add the Politico report today that top level Republicans are trying to reach out to Sarah now.
If the MSM continues to report that Sarah is retiring from politics or finished in political life then what you know is that it confirms that they are completely in the tank for Obama or completely clueless and don't deserve to hold the jobs they do.
And still no report by the MSM of the pending visit by Sarah to the Reagan Library on August 8th.
Perhaps that would prompt the question, "for what purpose is Sarah speaking at the Reagan Library?"
And the MSM doesn't want to give the answer.
c4p has become my go-to blog for positive attitude.
Thanks for all you guys and gals do.
I said above:
Checkmate (on Obama/Dems/MSM/RINOS)
Palin gave up one pawn (Alaska Governorship) and has won the match!
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Now for match 2 (if Palin has the cajones):
Palin publicly displays her long form vault birth certificate and publicly asks Obama to do the same?
This would stop stimulus spending in its tracks since no laws can be valid under a President disqualified under the Constitution (and even if Hawaii born, he can't be an Article 2"natural born citizen" since, altough he may very well be a full 14th Amendment "citizen", both parents were NOT citizens (father not naturalized) on BHO's birth -- hence BHO cannot be a "natural born" citizen under unique Article 2 qualification for Presidency.
Case closed.
PLEASE..I wish someone from Sarah's office would confirm if she is going to the Reagan Library meeting. Many of us that live in Calif. would like to make reservations. But, reservations are non-refundable at $150 ea. We can't wait to make them just days before. Why are they waiting to confirm or deny??
If anyone has the ability to contact her or let us know, PLEASE DO SO...IT IS IMPORTANT TO US AS HER SUPPORTERS.
Ted: We don't like discussing the info we keep trying to put up here.
Others have been banned for bringing up that info. We are not interested.
juju:--
No one until me has explained it properly.
juju:
I left this thought on another thread. Sarah cannot officially commit to anything right now-don't want to give the anklebiters one last kick at the can. Right now NO UNFORCED ERRORS is the mantra. She has 17 days left to go before her resignation takes effect. Then i predict the floodgates will open with major announcements of events.
Patience juju, patience.
Boy it feel so odd for me to say that since I have been perceived as so aggressive in my comments over the last 4 months.
juju:
I'm sorry if I didn't mention it. Two days ago I left two web sites devoted to Sugust 8th on the open thread.
techno,
I found your posts from Monday Open Thread, so it sounds like it's confirmed.
I just don't hear anyone here or on the news talking about it.
Bill in Baltimore:
Why did the MSM give little coverage to the pro-life speech in Evansville?
Why did the MSM hardly mention Sarah's performances with Lauer and Blitzer about a month ago?
Why does the MSM never report the poll by PEW that show that 80% of conservative Republicans support her?
The same answer: they don't want to boost her credentials and destroy the meme of incompetence and stupdity launched by it on orders from the Obama war room. Bottom line Bill: they cannot allow Sarah to be LEGITIMIZED as a serious candidate.
The non-announcement of a pending visit to the Reagan Library falls into this category as well.
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It's interesting that Mark Steyn, usually very common sense, has dropped the link at his site to the negative "cut bait" comments he posted on NR's The Corner.
He may be rethinking. I hope so.
techno,
ok sounds good, makes perfect sense.
but I did some research and there are some Reaganites who don't like her at all.
Bill in Baltimore:
Nothing is 100% in this world, especially when you haven't gained LEGITIMACY as genuine Reagan conservative.
That is another reason why her time in the wilderness will be so beneficial, that she will be able now to make contact with some of these former Reagan loyalists to convince them of her good intentions and her adherence to Reagan conservatism.
And remember from her Governor's chair Sarah would not be able to do that.
My advice, for what it's worth, is for Governor Palin to stay as far away as possible from any Obama birth certificate talk. It will simply brand her, and us, as nut cases. I don't see any possible benefit to her or our cause by bringing that whole consipracy theory up. Obama is the president, whether we like it or not. Let's go after his insane ideas and defeat him at the ballot box in 2012. Just my humble opinion.
techno,
ok, another comforting comment on Reagan's and her wilderness experience.
Another strong Christian I know was bashing her because she let Bristol hang out with a creep and look what happened. A girl-friend of my wife was very unyielding on this.
I posted to ask about this but no one responded.
Doug B:
You have gauged by now that if there is one thing that describes Sarah-she is not stupid.
Loose lips sink ships. Sarah Palin is no Joe Biden. You have nothing to fear.
Doug B., you may very well be right, in spite of the fact that this is the biggest hoax and fraud in the history of America -- maybe western civilization -- and we no longer live in a Constitutional Republic. (Too bad we don't have a Supreme Court and Congress like they currently do have in Honduras, willing to uphold their nation's Consitutional basis against a usurper.)
Techno,
You're right about that. I can't see her going near that BS. To change the subject, I am guessing now that she wishes she didn't have to wait until July 26th to emancipate herself. She wants to get out ASAP and begin raising money. The sooner she does, the sooner she can raise the kinds of money for SarahPAC that you have been talking about now for months. Hopefuly she'll make a few appearences here in Ohio. We are a state that can go either way and she needs to organize here.
DB
Bill in Baltimore:
Let's be blunt and you know I am.
Did you notice how far ahead Huckabee was ahead of Palin in regards to support among EVANGELICALS (35-21)? That was no accident, and part of that can be attributed to the 'Bristol problem'.
Months ago I made the claim if Sarah Palin had one Achilles' heel it was Bristol and the Johnston family. I still stand by my assessment.
Having said that if Huckabee drops out where are the evangelicals going to park their votes? Not with Romney. Right now Mitt is 20 points behind both Palin and Huck in his VF regarding evangelicals.
Bottom line, Levi will be dragged out much sooner than later and the Bristol story will get more currency as Sarah becomes more popular.
I'm sorry if this is too blunt but it is what it is.
Ted,
Knock off the birth cert. stuff. It will hurt credibility of this site which is a pro-Palin site, not a goofie Bama-birther site.
One more of those remarks and I'll petition we Letterman you.
Comprende? Amigo?
:)
Doug B., you're probably right.
Wouldn't it be great if one -- just one -- mainstream reporter, or any reporter -- would simply question and press the issue on Obama in a public setting (or even on Gibbs). If that were EVER to happen, everything would unravel and Obama would be over!
techno,
no, I don't consider it blunt at all, thanks for the expl.
I am an evangelical and on the surface of it, these things happen. It never really bothered me, but I want to understand how to address it.
Even if Sarah wasn't perfect as a Mom (horrors) and Bristol made a mistake (which she admits now), I just don't get the judgement.
Also, my wife's girlfriend who was so unyielding about this is a home school mom and said Sarah should have been home raising the kids !
So there are two reasons why this story perpetuates:
- politics of personal destruction
- it plays to the doubts of what should be her strongest supporters.
tsk, tsk, they say.
I'm just glad I didn't get nominated for V-P . . . boy I would have been strung up for all my sins !
Sapwolf, you're probably right that it would hurt credibility (in short or medium run) -- that's why I questioned whether the "cajones" to actually do it were there -- and I really don't blame her one bit for staying away from it. (certainly politically safe thing to do)
But, rest assured, in the longer run, this issue will fully come out.
Bill in Baltimore:
I appreciate the sensitivity of this issue and I usually avoid it but since you brought up 'the evangelical vote' I felt honor bound to address it. It is what it is. I am not here to judge Bristol Palin.
But this is a political site and from a political point of view regarding the evangelical vote antipathetical to Sarah, she hopes one or more of these three scenarios occurs:
1)Huckabee doesn't run
2)Obama screws up so badly that evangelicals soured on Obama will grudingly go to the polls just to kick the Messiah out.
3)Bristol gets married to an evangelical
Liberal feminist Camille Paglia again gives an intelligent critique of Sarah Palin.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2009/07/08/reader_letters/
**Favorite Quotes From The Article**
1) "She (Palin) does her own thing with 'seat-of-the-pants' gusto.Its why she remains popular with the Republican grass-roots base."
2) "Hey,wake up!...She cleaned Biden's clock!...By the end,Biden was sighing and itching to split.."
3) "Our zero tolerance should also extend to jokes threatening rape of public figures...
Something that was amazingly directed at Sarah Palin from Liberal quarters shortly after she arrived on the national scene last year...
"DEHUMANIZATION IS A STEALTHY PROCESS THAT ULTIMATELY DESTROYS EVERYONE" (Emphasis mine)
techno,
how about option 4) Levi sees the light and mans up ?
So it's nice to have a figure to toss around, but can anyone explain to me exactly what a "Zeta Buzz" is based on? It kind of sounds like a made-up statistic to me. I'm not complaining that the made-up figures favor the 'Cuda this time, but as there are lies, damned lies, and statistics, I'm not sure this even rises to that level...
I wouldn't worry about Huck. I find the people who like him don't know him or his record. You'll find few here in Arkansas -- outside of the good ol' boy network that got him elected in the first place -- who support him, which ought to be all anyone needs to know. The people I know who think they like him are non-Arkansans. When I've educated them on the realities of Huckabee, they've changed their minds pretty quickly. Huck talks a good game, but the difference between what comes out of his mouth and his actual record is vast. When and if someone decides to do some opposition research on him and present it to the public, his support will start to fall away.
I would recommend every C4P reader to go down to the open thread and read the most recent PPP polling results and my take on it.
After all, IMHO Huck gave us Obama (by wounding Romney early on) -- so he cares more bout himself than the nation; whereas Palin cares more bout the nation than herself!
...and I'm not saying I'm for Romney whatsoever at this stage. Just sayin that Romney would have been a stronger contender than McLame.
Techno & Bill in Balt:
Regarding Bristol. I, too, will be blunt.
I am a Southern Baptist Evangelical.
Many evangelicals are very hard in their judgment. As I have matured as a Christian I am much less judgemental.
That being said. I think that much of Huck's support among Evangelicals is the fact that he is a former Baptist preacher. This carries much weight in the south as you know. (I myself was disappointed when Huck dropped out of the primaries.)
I think that most evangelicals will not hold the Bristol issue against gov. Palin. Some will, most will not. Most people know someone just like Bristol or the Guv, or perhaps they are that person themselves.
How many people have kids who obey and do ALL that you have told them to do or not to do?
I think Huck's cred. comes from being an ordained Baptist minister, not that evangelicals support him over the gov. because of Bristol.
Also, I feel that Bristol is doing a great job. She, apparently, is in school, has a job and is doing a great job taking care of her child.
By the time the primaries are in full swing Bristol should be close to maybe finishing school, perhaps have a better job or who knows, she may have a new beau who is someone with better credentials than Mr. Johnson. I feel people will look at that as a success story.
Gov. Palin, a Christian, stood by her daughter, defended her and now look how Bristol has been very successful under tough circumstances.
There will be many evangelicals who will be to judgemental to over come that. I feel they will be few. They will probably be older people as well. Most younger ones, well, went to college and may not can throw those stones so easily.
Let me add.
I am 100% for Sarah Palin. I have studied Huck's record and I do not like it and would never vote for him.
I have no judgement against Bristol as that would be unBiblical. Do not judge yet you be judged by your own standard (paraphased).
I admire Bristol for choosing life. She is a strong young woman.
Most evangelicals are aware of this. While talking amongst my evangelical friends I have not heard one say Bristol was a negative to Sarah Palin.
Lipstick,
I like what you say, I think it was blunt but true.
I am totally with you (having just crossed the half-century point), but I can also tell you there are a lot of what you would think are forgiving people who took one look at it and wrote her off. Enough that this reaction can't be taken lightly.
My jaw dropped at my wife's friend who was so, yes, judgmental. This is not only the epitome of double-standard, it's the wrong Christian response.
Holding her to a standard of perfection is utterly ridiculous.
And Bristol is now saying, "Mamma was right, it's best to wait".
I'm thinking
- Franklin Grahm, kicked out of school ! Billy should have stayed home and raised his son, just LOOK at how he turned out.
- which makes me think of Romans 8:28 and of course Luke 15
If I may for one more time dip into THE subject (BHO's b_ _ _h) --which I'm aware is a no no on this site, my concern is simply that considering all that's been done in the first 6-months (which Sarah has now called "outrageous" and "immoral" on the part of Obama), I was merely looking for a way to end this administration early, that is before 3-1/2 more years; because I'm genuinely concerned as to what will be left of our nation, economy, security and freedoms by then.
Bill in Baltimore:
Keeping it real is sometimes very difficult, but if there is any benefit to be derived from C4P I think we have to always keep it as real as we can, but of course without vulgarity or obscenity.
Bill in B:
Your right, many will write Palin off because of this. However, if she runs and wins the nomination, I DO beleive that they will vote for her over Obama.
Her Pr-life stance alone will gaurantee that.
Yes, some will stay home, but most will vote; I believe.
Also, by 2012, well, who knows? Bristol will probably be making her own way, maybe be married by then (not to Mr. Johnson) and I feel will be sort of a nonissue.
Time will tell.
I hate how so many evangelicals are so judgemental. I suppose I am hard enough on myself that I could never look down on someone and say their mistake was somehow worse than mine. Good grief, I will be embarrassed to face my Lord knowing things I have said and done and thought. Thankfully He sees the blood he shed and NOT me when he looks at me.
I wish others would think about that before they judge the mistakes of others.
Ted Sarah has to stay away from it. Sen. Couburn, Congresswoman Blackburn and others may not.
Lipstick,
I have another theme about Sarah P that's not really discussed here much.
I believe her greatest legacy will be pro-life.
she simply says:
"I choose life"
"States should decide"
I doubt if she would ever try to overturn Roe v. Wade, that would be disastrous.
To me, she changes hearts and minds. That is better than any set of laws.
So she will turn the PRO-CHOICE argument back on its head.
CRAZY PRO-ABORTION Laws have to be overturned, like forcing med professionals to participate in this heinous activity.
Techno, and Bill in Baltimore:
Re:Huckabee's lead among Evangelicals.
You have both discussed Bristol's situation as contributing to Sarah's relatively poor standing with Evangelicals. While I agree, I do not believe it is the primary underlying reason.
I believe the main reason for her poor showing is quite simple. Sarah is a woman. Among some Evangelicals and many Southern Baptists, only a man can be head of the family, head of the household, and the wife is to submit herself to his leadership. Therefore, for many people who hold this belief, it is difficult for them to support a woman running for leadership of her state (Governor) much less running for leadership of the country (President).
I think this helps to explain Sarah's lagging support among Evangelicals. If you look at Rasmussen's favorability ratings among Evangelicals, you will see that Sarah's numbers are identical to Huckabees - yet far more will vote for Huckabee. The only thing that explains this is that while they love Sarah, they still believe it is innappropriate for a woman to run for a leadership position. Bill, I believe this is what really lies behind your wife's girlfriend's position, who is a stay at home, home schooling Mom. It is her fundamental belief that a woman's first priority is the family and home, and Sarah should be focused on this role - and leave leadership to her husband and men. She then points to Bristol's situation as a result of Sarah's misplaced priorities. The fact that Todd stays at home at times, and takes on the child rearing role, causes even more conflict with her beliefs.
When Sarah was chosen by McCain, this became an issue of some debate, especially among Southern Baptists. How could they reconcile voting for Sarah as a VP with their belief that men should be in leadership positions. I believe it was Richard Land (sp), a church leader, who said it was alright for Sarah to be Governor, VP or President provided that her husband Todd approved of Sarah doing this and he explicitly permitted her to do it. This preserved Todd as head of the family and Sarah as submitting to his direction or will. This seemed to put the issue to rest at the time, but some were still very uncomfortable with Sarah running as VP.
Now remember Huckabee is a Southern Baptist minister - and he knows this is still an issue. And believe me, Huck is an expert at practicing the "dark arts" of politics (re: his sly attack through a reporter on Romney's Mormonism). In fact, earlier this year you may remember Huckabee's sly attack on Sarah saying something to the effect that he had a hard time competing with Sarah because he doesn't look as good in a "skirt and stilletto heals" on a political stage. Many people thought this was simply a stupid sexist joke. Wrong, Huckabee was slyly emphasising to his Southern Baptist and Evangelical supporters that Sarah was a woman and didn't belong on a political stage - and you shouldn't be voting for a woman for a leadership position. I fully expect Huckabee to keep doing this, taking "code" language shots at Sarah's femininity and parenting problems in the future. Afterall, this is the way Huck plays politics.
In concluding, I realize that this is a sensitive issue and I do not want to offend anyone's faith or beliefs here. I fully respect people taking such a position in how they vote. I raise it only to indicate this could be a problem for Sarah in the primaries. It will be a particular problem in the Southern states where the Southern Baptist vote is large - Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas etc.. Further north and in the mid west it will be much less of a problem, as Evangelicals there hold differing views of this issue. We don't have polling by state, but my belief is that much of Huck's Evangelical support is concentrated in these southern states, and his lead amongst Evangelicals is probably much less in states like Iowa.
Just to note, while women have been elected as lawmakers in these deep Southern states, none I believe has ever been elected as a Governor.
Rusty:
What I appreciate about you is that you always bring your A game to the world of hardcore politics.
Why I truly believe C4P is a cut above other web sites is that the novice who is just beginning to familiarize himself/herself with the many variables and intricacies associated with the politics can delight in the many diehard comments offered from the heart about Sarah Palin and can begin to understand why certain events occur and why certain events may not transpire.
For the person who has a general knowledge of politics it is an opportunity to move up a notch in his/her skill level by tapping into to some of the philsophical or political strategy posts that help you him/her understand what goes through the mind of a politician or his/her advisor before making the final decision.
And finally from a hardcore political point of view those of that persuasion in this forum are able to really delve deep into the various strategic, ethical, marketing, media, electoral considerations that Sarah may be deliberating over, researching or considering.
For example for those of you who have read my posts since March I think you have a better insight of why Sarah made the decision to resign NOW and the various considerations that she had to bear in mind as she gradually came to that conclusion.
For example I touted the primary reason that Sarah not run for re-election that Sarah would be needed full-time on the ground in the lower 48 to take back Congress or make significant gains. Now many of the pundits have finally come to that same conclusion.
I am not a genius, far from it but I am an iconoclast and that led me to that conclusion, which apparently Sarah came to see as well.
For those new readers at C4P I welcome you aboard but let me warn you about me and some of the hardcore posters-we are blunt, we keep it real, we don't take any prisoners, we call it like we see it, no vulgarity or obscenity but using very provocative language-so if you are squeamish don't read our posts but if you want to expand your political knowledge you just might find a prescient tidbit or political morsel from time to time that you had not thought of or not really understood.
Just to note, while women have been elected as lawmakers in these deep Southern states, none I believe has ever been elected as a Governor.
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Ma Richards
Husker for Palin:
I do not not view Texas as a deep south state. It can also be seen as part western. Its politics and the religious beliefs of its citizens is much more diverse than that found in Mississippi and Alabama. For the same reason I don't view Florida as a deep south state. I would exclude Louisiana as well because of its large Catholic population.
Perhaps my ternomology is incorrect. The southern states I would include in this category - of having very large Southern Baptist populations include: Georgia (1st), Alabama (1st), Mississippi (2nd), Arkansas (1st), Tennessee (1st), and South Carolina (2nd).
Huckabee's finishing position in the 2008 primaries is noted in brackets behind each state. You will notice he finished first in each with the exception of South Carolina and Tennessee. In South Carolina Huckabee almost won with 30% to NcCain's 33%. In the Tennessee primary McCain had already won the nomination so few people voted.
Just correcting a mistake in my previous post. Huckabee finished 1st in Mississippi and 2nd in Tennessee. Those two brackets are incorrect. Sorry about that.
Rusty, Techno,
Thanks for your two cents on what may be happening with some Evangelicals and Sarah Palin. I truly believe one of Huckabee's Achillies Heel's has been HIS RECORD of supporting "Climate Change" initiatives. The Phrase "Climate Change" truly if you think about it is an ANTI-Intelligent Designer Attitude. If this is brought home to Conservative Homeschoolers ect. that may help sway some.
I like what Richand Land had to say about the subject. Rusty, I would gently like to ask your friend what she thought of Margret Thatcher. (I'm so Dumb, was she married?) Someone with whom Reagan worked with to bring down the Soviet Union.
Regarding Southern female state legislators. What percentage are married? Female state and Federal legislators vote on some pretty heady stuff life/death issues/ sending troops into harms way which is like an executive decision.
Lastly, rightly or wrongly, some Christian mission boards that sent thier missionaries to China (Pre-Communist) had thier children stay behind in boarding schools because they felt the land was too dangerous at the time. leaving young ones in boarding school without thier real mother or father. Eric Liddel the famous runner was one of those children.
Ester and Deborah and others were a part of God's plan in his framework.
M Minnesota:
Perhaps we now have insight why Sarah hired Mr. Warren as her chief spokesperson who apparently has extensive ties to the evangelical community in the lower 48.
Sarah probably knew that not everything was rosy among the evangelicals.
Great insight about the misogyny or male superiority component among evangelicals. It is what it is.
But earlier I made this contention. There is no way most evangelicals are going over to Mitt if Huck drops out or does not run.
As I see it the only two ways Mitt will win is:
1)Palin doesn't run in 2012 OR
2)he keeps Huck in to divided the conservative vote and Mitt goes up the middle
And further the only way Huck can win is:
1)Palin doesn't run AND
2) he makes a play for Mitt's moderate voters OR
3)a strong moderate comes in and splits the moderate vote and HUck comes up the middle.
Why Sarah is sitting pretty is that Huck's entire Presidential strategy is based on Sarah not running. If she does run the only reason he would stay in the race is to become VP or a cabinet secretary under Romney. HOwever, with a sure-fired TV gig and earning way more money than a public official I can't see Huck going that route, but I could be wrong.
Rusty,
thanks for the nice discussion on the evangelical vote. your points are all very insightful and this dynamic needs to be handled deftly.
As a not so indirect response, I just think that Sarah is not only a new, fresh kind of politician (who's EFFECTIVE), she is a new, fresh kind of Christian.
I also think that the Alaska and the frontier-style aspect of her upbringing can mitigate the whole thing.
Didn't Sarah stay home for a good portion of the time ? Even if she did, let's just say she wasn't making cookies all of the time. Mooseburgers, perhaps.
Sarah simply brings excitement, in my opinion, plus she is the gal that girls can really say "I can do that too !"
Can you imagine a family more "perfect" than this that the evangelical community could get their hands around ?
Sarah to me is also such a "cross-over candidate", both in terms of drawing opposition to do the right thing for the country as well as reaching across cultural boundaries.
Finally, consider Sarah Palin effect # 6:
- Men are men and women are women – and thank God for that !
To me, that's the end of the story for evangelicals. VOTE FOR HER, is there anyone that even comes close???
Finally Finally,
- [W]ho knows but that you have come to [this] position for such a time as this?"
Esther 4:14
Bill in Baltimore:
I left on the open thread 10 pitfalls that might crop up to derail the Sarah Palin express. i'd like your opinion on it.
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