Thursday, July 2, 2009

What's Up With the Palin Hate?



There are a lot of stories floating around on the general topic of: "What's up with all that hate directed at Sarah Palin?" So, let's try an Instapundit style link around to highlight a few of them.

Amy Siskind asks "Who's Afraid of Sarah Palin?":

Now the question folks are emailing me to ask is why is this happening? Why the ongoing onslaught against Governor Palin? How can Vanity Fair get away with this?

Well let me explain what Hillary Clinton supporters learned, the hard way, in 2008 - sexism sells! Todd Purdum, who by the way is Dee Dee Myers’ husband (poor Dee Dee), also wrote a hit job on Bill Clinton, and Hillary by virtue, last summer just as the Democratic primary was winding down (that’s when I canceled my subscription!).

Jim Geraghty writes that some of that hate might be about the governor's happiness with her life:

Liberals believe that their ideas, philosophy, worldview, and policies liberate believers, and that the conservative equivalents limit people. Liberals see themselves as rejecting outdated beliefs and obsolete ideas, overturning established orders, and discarding traditions established by superstitious and ignorant forebears who weren't as enlightened as we are. Conservatives, in their minds, are runaway cultural superegos, always wagging their fingers about individual responsibility, dismissing excuses, reminding people that they can't always do what they want because of the consequences to themselves and to others.

Conservatism, they suspect, will leave you in a marriage that doesn't satisfy you, burden you with children you don't want, repress your passions, and trap you in a empty, boring, and unfulfilled life, with no hand of government able to help.

Today almost everyone faces some sort of challenge in balancing work and family; I don't know too many people who believe there are sufficient hours in a day. And then along comes this woman who's made all of these "conservative" choices and now has an amazing career, a supportive husband, a beautiful family, and great health and appearance, and she bears it all, including the inevitable hard times, with pluck and a smile, as far as we can tell.

Violet at the Reclusive Leftist tries to draw some lessons from Vanity Fair's hate.

The Anchoress wonders if some of it is related to class, the right to life, and that "R" after Palin's name:

Both adulation and hate have their subconscious roots and hidden nutrients. But the excessive Palin-hate may also be as simple as this; Sarah Palin, who came from middle class folk, did not go to an Ivy League school but managed nevertheless to find success as a small business owner, then as mayor, then as Governor of an important state, and she’s managed to “have it all” – family, success, expertise on a crucial subject (oil, gas, energy) – without succumbing to the siren song of leftism.

The truth is, if Sarah Palin had a “D” after her name, instead of an “R”, they’d adore her, and they would be falling all over themselves to showcase her as “the successful product of feminism and the opportunities provided by progressivism!” Hell, they’d even tolerate her having allowed Trig to live, as they could then prop her up as a “big tent, pro-choice Democrat, and you know, a Christian…ist…no, she’s an Evangelical Christian! And that’s…okay!”

And Hurley at HBHLS quotes Thomas Sowell's great "Visions of the Anointed" in discussing these GOP "strategists:"

The recent onslaught of criticism directed at Governor Palin by former McCain “strategists” (or senior advisors, whatever you want to call them) reminded me of a passage about Reagan I had read in Thomas Sowell's “A Vision of the Anointed.” When I refer to these “strategists,” I'm speaking strictly of the anonymous snipers. Okay, and maybe some others as well involved.

For many of the anointed, it was never sufficient to declare the Reagan administration's economic, social, or foreign policies mistaken, malign, or even dangerous. It was necessary to ridicule them as the products of a consummately stupid president – an “amiable dunce,” as Democratic elder statesman Clark Clifford called him. This denigration of Ronald Reagan began even before he became president, and was in the fact one of the reasons why his chances of becoming even the Republican nominee, much less president, were considered nil. As Washington Post editorial board member Meg Greenfield recalled the mood she was among Washington insiders in 1980:

"It was the wisdom of the other contenders and of most Republican Party leaders, too, not to mention practically everyone in Democratic politics, that Reagan was: too old, too extreme, too marginal and not nearly smart enough to win the nomination. The Democrats, in fact, when they weren't chortling about him, were fervently hoping he would be the nominee. When he carried the convention in Detroit, people I knew in the Carter administration were ecstatic."

Hurley brings the point home on this current crop of "strategists":

Now moving on to the “anointed” in the Republican establishment, particularly the McCain “strategists” ripping Palin. They are swinish failures who couldn't run a hot dog stand. Everyone knows that these masterminds wrecked McCain's chances after he suspended his campaign, backed out the debate, and then decided to go. The experienced statesman looked lost. While McCain was losing his three debates, putting people to sleep at the convention, and not raising money, Palin was doing the opposite.

78 comments:

Geedubya July 2, 2009 9:10 PM  

The truth is, if Sarah Palin had a “D” after her name, instead of an “R”, they’d adore her, and they would be falling all over themselves to showcase her as “the successful product of feminism and the opportunities provided by progressivism!” -- Anchoress

I've posted this same general theory many times on many different boards ....always gets shot down as ridiculous by Democrats.

But you know that's what would happen. They'd be crazy in love with her, and would happily tolerate, ignore or grammatically rearrange any aspects they were uncomfortable with. It just goes to show that there's really no rational basis for their hatred beyond simple partisan emotion and the apparent need for someone to hate after GWB is gone.

This is where a parallel universe generating machine would come in real handy.

Betsy July 2, 2009 9:37 PM  

They know Sarah is good, some just don't want to admit it. Some people do not want to embrace someone's accomplishments or opinions.

It is amazing how you have to not listen to the negative talk when you are pursuing something you feel called to do.

Goethe Girl July 2, 2009 9:42 PM  

The best thing is that the Governor has not responded to the Vanity Fair piece and that all kinds of folks have come to her defense.

I think, however, there is a mistake in concentrating on the traitors in the McCain camp. Is it possible that Todd Purdham made up the quotes from "McCain insiders"? Frankly, I would not put it past a left-wing journalist to make up things. I'm more inclined to think this is a strategy of the Democrats, who really are Palin haters, to make the Governor look stupid.

sandra July 2, 2009 10:19 PM  

You have the wrong premise. I don't think there are any Palin "haters." There are many who disagree with her method of governing and her opinions.

If we hated those we disagreed with, most of us wouldn't have families. How many of you disagreed with your parents in your late teens? Did you hate them?

Ted July 2, 2009 10:21 PM  

Goethe Girl:

Rest assured that McCain Campaign insiders and the Romney-to-McCain insiders and now Romney insiders ARE MOST DEFINITELY behind this.

Moreover, ask yourself this simple question, why was the Palin we early Palinistas all knew prevented from being that same Palin after her roll-out by McCain.

S A B O T A G E

(any political campaign operative would know, never never set up a GOP national candidate -- at least one not promoted by the MSM -- to be in a pre-taped and editable interview ala Gibson and Couric. (Anyone knows such interviews must be unedited and/or live.)

S A B O T A G E

Sheya July 2, 2009 10:23 PM  

The truth is, if Sarah Palin had a “D” after her name, instead of an “R”, they’d adore her...

What if Obama had an 'R' after his name?
Ayers, Rusko, Inexperience, the birth certificate saga to name just a few...

Ted July 2, 2009 10:26 PM  

sandra:

those people really do hate Palin because (1) Palin is the single most powerful threat to the current DEM/MSM control of the country, single most powerful threat bar none and (2) Palin turns on its head virtually their whole world order of how they can view themselves, their policies and positions in any favorable light (Palin way more than upsets their apple cart.)

midnightcajun July 2, 2009 10:28 PM  

Wow. You can't seem to get it through your heads that people don't hate Palin; they hate the things she's done and the policies she'd like to implement--i.e., her racism, her ignorance, her contempt for knowledge, her Dominionist theology, her drive to deprive women of their right to choose, her lies, her anti-environmentalism, her vindictiveness, etc, etc.

And FYI, I am, like Sarah, a graduate of a small Western university who grew up fishing and hunting. I am also slim, attractive, highly successful, happily married, and the mother of two attractive children, both of whom graduated from college at the top of their classes without ever making babies or getting in trouble with the law.

You might like her because she's pretty on the outside and carries around a DS baby. We're looking for a little more in our leaders.

Ted July 2, 2009 10:29 PM  

Sheya, NO WAYYYYY, Obama could EVER have an R after his name. It's a complete oxymoron; it is a ridiculous exercise.

And in the same way, there's no way Palin could ever have a D after her name, NO WAY!!! No way even to construct such a fantastic possibility. By definition, Palin could NEVER be a D (unless, that is, D meant something entirely different than what it now means).

sandra July 2, 2009 10:32 PM  

The problem seems to be mainly that Palin doesn't understand the American point of view. She seems to view the country and the government through a faulty prism.

This is why she is so threatening. I will admit she is frightening because she does not seem to understand how other people think.

Ted July 2, 2009 10:33 PM  

midnightcajun:

Palin rascist???? Are you crazy???

Palin ignorant???? Typical left-wing meaningless insult and rant with no facts.

"Contempt for knowledge" -- more typical left-wing flailing

Hey, midnightcajun, if you're gonna attack Palin here, you're gonna need some specifics, like, what specifically shows she is racist, ignorant, and contemptuous of knowledge???

howIroll July 2, 2009 10:36 PM  

Excuse me, Sandra, but WTF are you talking about? She doesn't understand the American point of view? From where I stand, she's the only politician who actually expresses THE American point of view.

Sheya July 2, 2009 10:37 PM  

Ted
Spot On.
That WAS my point trying to imagine Palin with a “D” after her name is like trying to imagine Obama with an “R” after his name. Both unimaginable theories.

Ted July 2, 2009 10:37 PM  

sandra:--

more meaningless garble/generalities.

What do you mean, be specific --
"Palin doesn't understand American point of view" or Palin views America and government "through a faulty prism"???

(It appears you would say that our Founding Fathers, no less, would view America and governemt through a "faulty prism".)

Sheya July 2, 2009 10:41 PM  

Sandra
Which planet have you just landed from?

I don't think there are any Palin "haters." There are many who disagree with her method of governing and her opinions.
Palin doesn't understand the American point of view

Palin IS the American point of view! Palin is threatening BECAUSE she understands how other people think.

gamsbo July 2, 2009 10:42 PM  

I thought midnightcajun was band from a few weeks back...

John July 2, 2009 10:44 PM  

Why doesn't she work on putting some certain two or three of Governr Murkowski's staffers in prison?

Plenty of fraud associated with that crew, and it went through the mail. And some one or two of those have become vocal critics.

That is one way to quiet their flapping about.

Just sayin'...

Sheya July 2, 2009 10:47 PM  

Sandra
By saying she doesn’t understand how other people think you mean that other people think different then her. If most people don’t think like her, most people won’t vote for her. So why exactly is she a threat of frightening?

sandra July 2, 2009 10:48 PM  

Okay, maybe there is more than one "American" point of view. This doesn't mean that there is hatred. As for the R and D labels: I have had long term relationships with people of the opposite persuasion. That is entirely beside the point.

bitterclinger July 2, 2009 10:50 PM  

I see the trolls must have demanded money instead of those IOUs before they'd go back to work.

Ted July 2, 2009 10:51 PM  

sandra, the D-Obama point of view is NOT an American point of view, by any stretch, unless you entirely changed the meaning of what we deem America, and then you would just be playing with words, rendering them meaningless.

Yogi41 July 2, 2009 10:54 PM  

bitterclinger,

It is surprising to see 3 of them hit all at once. Perhaps they should coordinate their schedules better; their hatred is clogging up this thread.

Ted July 2, 2009 10:56 PM  

Yogi41, those three merely prove our case, the more they blog and troll. Their comments are perfect foils; and never do they contain any facts.

JeanA July 2, 2009 10:57 PM  

midnightcajun said...
Wow. You can't seem to get it through your heads that people don't hate Palin; they hate the things she's done and the policies she'd like to implement--i.e., her racism, her ignorance, her contempt for knowledge, her Dominionist theology, her drive to deprive women of their right to choose, her lies, her anti-environmentalism, her vindictiveness, etc, etc.
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Most of that stuff you mention is your dear Obama.

sandra July 2, 2009 10:59 PM  

Again I will say that I think we disagree on what "American" means. We also seem to disagree on what "hatred" means. Please reconsider the hatred definition because the American definition will never be settled. Thank you.

JeanA July 2, 2009 11:00 PM  

Gov. Palin was in the lower 48 for a week. Did you notice how many people were coming to her defense this time around. Romney's people are upset about something. Do you think Gov. Palin was putting a team together?

Huskers-For-Palin July 2, 2009 11:01 PM  

Sandra,

Have you even read some of the things written on the Daily KOS, Democratic Underground or Huffington Post (to name a few).


Here is a brief sample...

1. Claims that Sarah was never the biological mother of Trig. That Trig's sister was really the mother.

2. Claims of her being a radical seperatist.

3. A bible carrying kook.

4. A dimwit.

5. In the back pocket of oil companies.

Yogi41 July 2, 2009 11:01 PM  

Hate - trolls like John and Sandra coming onto a pro-Palin site to post vague smears without offering any specifics. Their intent is to illicit a negative reaction, because they know darn well that they're not going to change anyone's mind, when they only offer up calculating opinions that are devoid of any facts.

Hey trolls, when you purposely log onto a site to manipulate the thread with the intent to besmirch a public servant, that's hate in my book.

sandra July 2, 2009 11:05 PM  

Yogi41: I'll have to think about that. Will get back to you.

Sandra

Ted July 2, 2009 11:05 PM  

sandra--

You're using the old Dem relativistic ploy, that, oh well, we all have a different definition of America, we just all can disagree as if both views of America are equally valid.

Quite simply, your and Obama's and the current Congress-Dem's point of view of America IS A DIFFERENT AMERICA FROM THE HISTORICAL DEFINITION OF WHAT IS AMERICA (as least as manifested by the Socialist/Communist/Fascist stances actions of the current Obama Administration -- and YES, using the general meaning of Communist, Fascist and Socialist, these are PRECISELY WHAT the Aobam Administration is currently manufesting. Those are the ANTETHIS of America and the meaning of America, unless, that is, you just want to play with words, and give them new meanings, in which case, they lose meanings.

Ted July 2, 2009 11:07 PM  

sorry for the quick typos/ misspellings

sandra July 2, 2009 11:08 PM  

Ted: I'm sorry we disagree. Most disagreements are based on definitions, and we would probably never arrive at any common definitions.

JeanA July 2, 2009 11:10 PM  

Remember the trolls are going to be watching ever word.

Ted July 2, 2009 11:10 PM  

sandra, to disagree on definition is PRECISELY THE disagreement to obfuscate the real disagreement.

That is a ploy used by the left to avoid any substantive debate on the points.

Whoa, Baby! July 2, 2009 11:11 PM  

What bothers me the most about Sarah are her lies and embellishments, a trait I don't care for in anyone. Now there are several indisputable lies that she has told. You are all ok with that? Her bridge to nowhere is only one of them.

Ted July 2, 2009 11:14 PM  

Hey "Whoa, Baby!", do you think that Obama is a liar or a congenital liar?

narciso July 2, 2009 11:20 PM  

Yes we need more Americans who have absolute contempt for all our institutions, military,educational,
social, and ultimately political.
Who have a massive chip on their shoulder, and consequently must strive 'to return the wealth to their rightful owners' we know what that sounds like, and we want no part of it. I see the crew of Immoral Minority have dropped by.

First of all, drop the pretense that her child isn't hers, and the subsequent one that you care one way or another, Second, take this out of politics for a moment, you think anyone deserves to be slandered this way. Third, make a real argument about a policy disagreement.

CCRWM July 2, 2009 11:22 PM  

"Hate - trolls like John and Sandra coming onto a pro-Palin site to post vague smears without offering any specifics. Their intent is to illicit a negative reaction, because they know darn well that they're not going to change anyone's mind, when they only offer up calculating opinions that are devoid of any facts...


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I skip over all their posts and I skip the responses as well and reading the comments goes much faster. I get just the real gold from the sincere posters.

Whoa, Baby! July 2, 2009 11:25 PM  

Hey, Ted! The topic was Sarah's lies, not Obama's anything. I know that the first line of defense here is to bring up Obama, but really that isn't the topic, nor is it the point that I raised. This site is about Sarah not about Obama, or am I mistaken? Hmmmm?

NoMoRino's July 2, 2009 11:36 PM  

ONE WORD: Charisma

TWO WORDS: Not scared

THREE WORDS: They Fear her

FOUR WORDS: They can't control her

FIVE WORDS: D.C. Good old boys

SIX WORDS: They must destroy anyone that threatens.

1-20-13, Noon.
The sun beams down, the rains have ended the 45th President of the United States steps to the podium after the swearing in by the Chief Justice and the Cannon salute and the playing of "Hail to the Chief". The crowd of one million roars it's approval as the era of fear (the legacy of Barack Obama) has ended. The new President opens the portfolio containing the Inaugural address and begins... "My fellow Americans, today, this hour, and in cities and towns, prairies and Mountaintops all across this blessed land we begin to Rebuild the Greatness of America. We look to the author of all that is good and right and we say thank you for this great land." The crowd roars.

America can breathe once more. Democracy lives, Tyranny has ended and the words of founders ring out across the land....once again America is the "Shining city on a hill".

See it, believe it, work for it....

....."LETS ROLL"!!!

Tea Party anyone? :-)

love777 July 2, 2009 11:46 PM  

I recently took survey on many issues - domestic and foreign. I agree with Gov. Palin on 68%. It is enough to conclude that she represents my point of view.

For those who still think that Gov. Palin is appealing only to a small group of uneducated Americans, here is my bio: I have Master's Degree, married with 2 kids, have a great job, live in a suburb of large city.

I respect Gov. Palin, her family and her personal achievements. I like her personality. I never find her stupid or incompetent.

Her approval rating as Governor is much higher than the approval rating of the Governor of my state. I think, that people of Alaska are lucky to have her as Governor.

Missouri4Palin July 2, 2009 11:46 PM  

What I find extremely amusing is that these liberals say they don't "hate" Sarah, yet they start right off the bat by screaming "racist" "liar" "anti-environment" without any examples or facts. It is pure emotion driven with them, thus it is pure hate for the woman. They never put forth facts, instead they just throw out labels. Sarah hasn't even put forth any national policy statements yet, and the liberals are lying like they always do saying her policies will hurt America. Sarah Palin isn't the circus act here folks, its you liberals who live and thrive on pure emotional hatred of a conservative woman who is smart, successful, and honest. I think it short-circuits your brain somehow.

Ted July 2, 2009 11:50 PM  

"Whoa, Baby?"--

YOU'RE THE ONE who elected to say lying "is a trait [you] don't care for in anyone" implying that Sarah is a liar because of the bridge to nowhere -- and NOT citing anything else whatsoever. So to get a bearing on the degree of "lying" which you say "bothers you the most" I want to understand whether you view some or many of Obama's statements as lies -- for a comparison?

In other words, if you still favor Obama in light of all the stuff he says, then I would wonder whether it is "lying" which bothers you the most about Sarah, or other things?

Colin Cohen July 2, 2009 11:53 PM  

It's amazing how often I see anti-Palin people posting on sites like this. They say she's a nothing, yet they're so compelled to post their hatred.

It's abject fear -- nothing less.

Ted July 2, 2009 11:55 PM  

NoMoRinos:--

Yes, I can see it all now on 1/20/13, and with this song playing right after "Hail to the Chief" --

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWNtLt-pJik

LouisianaRedneck July 3, 2009 12:01 AM  

Yes....Sarah is hated by many, but mostly they are scared sh!tless. Their hate is obvious, when...as in the last few weeks, Sarah is changing hearts and minds all over the country.

She's the ONE...that will bring Obama and the D's down.

She's kicking liberal butt, without even breaking a sweat. The reaction by the democrats has been hillarious this week. Keep it up, Sarah.

sandra July 3, 2009 12:03 AM  

I think I admitted that there is fear. I do wish we could discuss ideas. I learn a lot from most people here, but some people make me very uncomfortable.

Yogi: I don't think I came here from hatred. I really am trying to figure out this entire movement.

love777 July 3, 2009 12:04 AM  

Colin Cohen,

there are tons of paid bloggers and pseudo-journalists. They do what there were ordered to do. Therefore no facts, just names calling.

techno July 3, 2009 12:10 AM  

By the way the thread over at HA regarding Krauthammer's remark that Sarah Palin was not qualified to be POTUS has gone viral and now approaching 1200+ posts.

Johnny Pazzesco July 3, 2009 12:15 AM  

They hate Sarah because not only is she the one who can beat Obama. She and her family are the biggest threat to their agenda.

I'm not nearly as impressed with the left's loathing of Governor Palin as I am of the fact that the Republican establishment apparently fears her too.

Gelston July 3, 2009 12:25 AM  

nomorino at 11:36 PM

Please just remember that our very own dear friend and Cal Berekeley Professor, Brianus, should be appointed the chief speech writer for the inaugural address.
I have him booked for that date.

Geedubya July 3, 2009 12:28 AM  

Obama tried to portray himself almost as a conservative Democrat. One of his biggest rallying cries was tax cuts, 95% of you will get one. He talked about God and religion with much more ease than McCain ever did, constantly making plays for the evangelical vote. He tried to portray himself as having midwestern roots.

And of course he was forever reminding us how much he deplored abortion, (hmmm... just like Sarah) being safe as the media refused to bring out his true extremist pro-abortion agenda.

The general illusion was that he was just a centrist kinda guy. The far left knew who he was, and liked it, and the far right knew who he was, and feared it. But the vast middle was left with the false impression that he wasn’t all that far left, maybe a little bit. Colin Powell endorsed him, for goodness sake.

So, the idea that had Sarah Palin happened to be a Democrat -- there's lots of more centrist, even somewhat conservative Democrat Governors; she could conceivably be a Democrat -- and Barack Obama might pick her actually makes perfect sense.

1) she's a Democrat, let's say
2) she was a woman, he was concerned about losing the women's vote after taking out Hillary
3) she wasn't Hillary
4) she had taken out the good 'ol boy Repubs in Alaska, huge cheer factor there
5) she was out to "change" the way govt. does business, just like Obama
6) she was pro-gun, like Obama wanted to make you believe HE somehow was
7) she was exciting, fresh and beautiful

Conclusion: Your basic Democrat, and especially the media, would have fallen in love with her just as surely as we all did. Of course, it would have all been based on a grand illusion, and the assumption is that this imaginary Sarah Palin D-AK was just as fooled by Obama as so many centrist Americans were. And of course that Michelle wouldn't have axed the idea, like in reality she would have done (and did IMHO) to any potential woman candidate.

LouisianaRedneck July 3, 2009 12:28 AM  

Yes, Johnny...they are going nuts. The timing of all the hate this week is not coincidental...something's up. They are trying to take her out before it's too late. But, it's already too late, they just can't accept it yet. Sarah will be the GOP nominee, and will add Obama to the unemployment number that he's quote "deeply concerned" about.

gardunne63 July 3, 2009 12:43 AM  

Sandra,

"Yogi: I don't think I came here from hatred. I really am trying to figure out this entire movement."

Have you ever voted for a conservative candidate at the state or national level? Do you know more than a handful of people who would call themselves conservative?

If you answered No to both of the questions, you'll never begin to understand this "Sarah movement" of which we are so devoted. I think the political/cultural twain would never meet.

Nor you would you probably understand that most of us would drop Sarah as a future candidate for higher office if we learned she was out buying $150,000 of TransCanadian stock right before she knew the deal was going to be signed. Or if she left her children in Todd's care at night so she could go meet her lover several times a week at the family cabin.

You get my drift...

gardunne63 July 3, 2009 12:49 AM  

"Now they AND a good number of R's aren't even speaking with her.

Funny how that is...."

DDJ

Considering that a lot of us on "Conservatives4Palin" (note how it's not called "Republicans4Palin") detest a lot of Republican politicians right now, that's just another notch for Sarah in our hearts and minds. She get's the same size gold star for pissin' off Republican legislators who don't have the voters' interests before their own as she would get for pissin' off the other side of the aisle.

latinchic July 3, 2009 12:50 AM  

I don't think most people hate Governor Palin. I just think that she's misunderstood because she's been lied about all across the media from newspapers to televisions to comedy sketches to cartoons. That creates an impression on an innocent, unknowing public that is hard to overcome because the media is a very powerful tool.

But I do think most of the mainstream media and many elitists do hate her, and numerous examples have been posted on this website.

narciso July 3, 2009 12:57 AM  

Well he was an 'uncommonly good liar' as Bob Kerry, once said of Clinton. the only time he had a seriously contested race was 2000. when he ran against Bobby Rush. The
fact that he voted to kill babies that survived the abortion
procedure, or virtually ban any gun stores in the City of Chicago, never really made the news. Disqualifying your opponents before you meet them, did the trick at least in 1995 and 2004.

We're not terribly keen on most Republicans these days, if you haven't noticed. Rubio, Col. West, the Diaz Balart's in my neck of the woods are the exception.Crist's
betrayal of every conservative principle leaves us cold, Our local legislature, is like
wrangling cats, just a cut above the Ramras and Hawker show. They voted to tax everything, cut school funding, and block offshore drilling; and this is after they
swallowed the stimulus whole.

R. A. Mansour July 3, 2009 12:58 AM  

sandra said...
I think I admitted that there is fear. I do wish we could discuss ideas. I learn a lot from most people here, but some people make me very uncomfortable.

Yogi: I don't think I came here from hatred. I really am trying to figure out this entire movement.
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Sandra, you're "trying to figure out" how we silly people don't agree with your conspiracy theory.

Nancy July 3, 2009 12:58 AM  

Governor Palin-R/repulsive;reviled;ridiculed
Governor Palin-D/darling;determined;dynamite

The distance between the letter D and the letter R, in this case, is a happy, beautiful, powerful, successful, mother of a special needs child, living life to the fullest with a smile on her face.
I guess that is why there is no reasoning with the haters.

R. A. Mansour July 3, 2009 1:03 AM  

midnightcajun said...
Wow. You can't seem to get it through your heads that people don't hate Palin; they hate the things she's done and the policies she'd like to implement--i.e., her racism, her ignorance, her contempt for knowledge, her Dominionist theology, her drive to deprive women of their right to choose, her lies, her anti-environmentalism, her vindictiveness, etc, etc.

And FYI, I am, like Sarah, a graduate of a small Western university who grew up fishing and hunting. I am also slim, attractive, highly successful, happily married, and the mother of two attractive children, both of whom graduated from college at the top of their classes without ever making babies or getting in trouble with the law.

You might like her because she's pretty on the outside and carries around a DS baby. We're looking for a little more in our leaders.

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I feel like I just read one of those long boring self-congratulatory Holiday letters.

Interesting that you chose to make a dig at her son with Downs Syndrome. Stay classy.

(Yes, it is hatred you feel for her. It's dripping in every word you write. Maybe when you deal with your own issues, you can get some sanity back into your perception of Sarah Palin.)

Ted July 3, 2009 1:08 AM  

Living in Alaska:--

Frankly after seeing what Obama is doing to our federal system, States Rights Movements and State Independent Movements are productive movements to bring the US Govt away from central planning and control Socialism back to the federalism intended by our Founding Fathers. Not that any state would actually secceed, but it makes a powerful point and serves to bring back federalism.

Ted July 3, 2009 1:18 AM  

Living in AK, she didn't try to cover up anything. Quite the contrary, if you read a few threads below you'll see that McCain Campaign Chief tried to get Palin to cover it up, but Palin in an exchange of emails resisted and wanted disclosure -- and no big deal. (It was McCain's Schmidt et al who, if anybody, wanted Palin to cover something up, which she said she had nothing to hide.)

Nancy July 3, 2009 1:30 AM  
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AKReport July 3, 2009 2:00 AM  

they hate palin because they know she has the starpower and charisma to take down obama in 4 years.

pretty clear.

obama fears palin the most.

why?

identity politics in the 2012 debates is why.

who would want to get sliced and diced by a smart, sexy, and charismatic conservative women with a smile on her face?

thats just unstopable imo.

AKReport July 3, 2009 2:16 AM  

the bridge to nowhere was just stupid mccain aids trying to make her look like the anti-ear mark mccain.

she did in fact cut the bridge, but her aids made her overeach that one fact as if she was always against it.

it was more of a overeach then it was a "lie" dems are really grasping for straws on this issue.

overeach Yes.
lie No.

Gelston July 3, 2009 2:18 AM  

i want to make a proposal...
The trolls that want to discuss Todd Palin's membership in the AIP should be locked in the same room as the people on this site who want to discuss Obama's birth certificate.

Please find something interesting to discuss.

alwaysfiredup July 3, 2009 2:19 AM  

Saying over and over that she lied is not going to make it true. Seriously.

alwaysfiredup July 3, 2009 2:43 AM  

I'm working on a new theory. I don't think it is exactly that she is a political threat that she draws such vilification. I think many people dislike her for a combination of reasons, some stylistic, others based on character traits they imagine she has. Her voice, her accent/mannerisms, her alleged stupidity / lack of curiosity / pride / ambition / lady parts / what have you. But the ones who really hate her do so because they thought they had won the culture wars by beating Bush and electing Obama. I really think that was why we had so many "realignment" or "permanent Dem majority" articles. And Palin's sheer presence, staying power and ability to draw everyone's attention everywhere she goes just proves they have not won the culture wars. Someone like Palin, possibly most unusual for her ordinariness, still appeals to a sizeable number of Americans. Maybe even a majority. And I think this genuinely pisses them off.

Also, the Left got REALLY angry during the past 8 years. I should know, I was one of the angry Anyone-But-Bushies. But now that the GOP has been thoroughly beaten and the major miscreants chastised and out of office, there are few outlets for that anger. Palin's a cultural symbol and lightning rod, no longer just an ordinary person. Those of us who know she is a good person are excited by the energy she creates. But I can see that it could be truly frightening to someone who believed to her core that Palin is unreliable, untrustworthy or crazy. It's just a shame that these people who are so upset by her will never be able to see that they have her wrong.

I really think we have to write nearly all the Dems off. They will not support her under any circumstances, so who cares. It's the indies she can and must appeal to, and what they need is for her to prove to them she is smart and capable. Not enough are paying attention to her daily news yet to see it. But I believe they will. 3 1/2 years is a long time.

Sapwolf July 3, 2009 6:04 AM  

Goethe Girl,

New York?

Goethe?

How long have you been a Romney fan?

Just askin because I don't see many postings here from people who are fans of a German man of letters from NYC.

You have all the signs of an uppercrusty type, which alone is not bad, but you certainly show signs of a Romneyite establishment easterner and mysteriously show up on this site the week that Romney's people launch attacks against Sarah in combo with the release of the VF hitpiece.

I'm not chasing you off, but just questioning why someone with your background, on this site posting, would be even remotely interested in Sarah Palin.

Sapwolf July 3, 2009 6:09 AM  

Sheya,

If Obama had an "R" after his name, I would have fought against him even more because he is a Marxist.

There is no way a marxist like Obama could ever get that far in the GOP. I'll give the GOP some credit.

Remember, he is for infanticide.

Sapwolf July 3, 2009 6:14 AM  

"sandra said...
The problem seems to be mainly that Palin doesn't understand the American point of view. She seems to view the country and the government through a faulty prism."

Sandra,

She understands the American view better than most people, especially the importance of the Alaska and US Constitutions.

It is not a faulty prism at all. It is in fact a clear prism.

Modern American pop culture is looking through the funky prism.

This is an infinitely grounded middle-class woman.

Sapwolf July 3, 2009 6:19 AM  

"midnightcajun said...
Wow. You can't seem to get it through your heads that people don't hate Palin; they hate the things she's done and the policies she'd like to implement--i.e., her racism, her ignorance, her contempt for knowledge, her Dominionist theology, her drive to deprive women of their right to choose, her lies, her anti-environmentalism, her vindictiveness, etc, etc. "

YOur accusations have ALL been refuted several times on numerous blogs for months now.

So its still about abortion with you people isn't it?

When was it? More than once?

Sapwolf July 3, 2009 6:20 AM  

People,

Based on the sudden surge in trolls, it appears the Romney camp has sent out marching orders.

Anybody not a troll want to add there input on this?

love777 July 3, 2009 8:06 AM  

I also came to conclusion that the army of trolls has been activated.

I read here absolutely same comments, repeated word-by-word from other blogs. These trolls are not even creative.

Who ever orders and pays for these trolls does not realize that most people already set their mind about Gov. Palin.

She has a great future.

Sheya July 3, 2009 8:57 AM  

Why all the hate? Why Now?

The waters have not been turned back and the world hasn’t been healed. Obama is dropping in the polls and reality is beginning to kick in both in the public eye and in the MSM. The people with Obamamania are now coming to terms with the fact that “The One” is not the one and the “Anointed” hasn’t been anointed. Hearts are hurting and disappointment is turning to anger.

Someone needs to pay!

So when the one who warned us about it uttered those words “I told you so” all hell broke loose. The left can’t bear that this supposedly stupid woman suddenly seeming not so stupid, they hate her for being right. With her popularity rising and her grass roots growing the SchMitt guys can’t let it be that Palin is the one who carries the “I told you so” banner.

She has to be taken down and destroyed NOW!

The more Obama’s numbers fall, the more his policies fail, the more the attacks in Palin will increase.

sandra July 3, 2009 12:00 PM  

Sheya: Interesting hypothesis. It does seem that people seek someone to blame for problems. It is so difficult to look at ourselves as the culprits.

We need to work very hard to maintain objectivity and attempt to solve the problems rather than resort to blame.

eZekiel July 3, 2009 6:57 PM  

"Just askin because I don't see many postings here from people who are fans of a German man of letters from NYC." I am a huge fan of Goethe and German culture and have some relatives and friends in NYC. Why are you trying to chase her off? I have seen her before for a while. Sarah Palin cannot win with only what we'd usually think of as her base, and there is simply no way to build a great movement without the people from all classes. Goethe Girl has been here for quite some time and anyway, we have a Sarah Palin France site so why not appeal to the Germans as well? Why would you want to chase someone like that off?

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