NBC News Poll: 45% Think "Death Panels" Are Likely to be Created Under Obamacare
Today's NBC News poll:
Let me read you a number of criticisms that town hall protestors have made about the proposed health care plan. For each one, please tell me whether this seems to you to be likely to happen or unlikely to happen.
Likely to Happen/Unlikely to Happen
Will allow the government to make decisions about when to stop providing medical care to the elderly.......45/50
What we see here is the ballgame. Nearly every respondent who indicated that "death panels" are likely to happen under Obamacare will not support any bill. The same thing cannot be said about the 50% who do not believe that such "death panels" will be created, however, they could still oppose Obamacare on other grounds.
More from the poll:
Obama’s overall approval rating in the poll is 51 percent, a two-point drop from last month and a 10-point decline since April.
Yet perhaps more troubling for the White House as it works to pass health care reform this year is that only 41 percent approve of his handling of health care. By comparison, 47 percent disapprove. Moreover, just 36 percent believe that Obama’s
efforts to reform the health system are a good idea, and only 24 percent think they will result in better quality of health care.
Bill McInturff, the GOP pollster who co-conducted the survey, says these numbers should signal a “cautionary light” for the White House. “There is a ‘go slower’ feel to this data.”
McInturff also observes that these numbers — which come after Obama embarked on a three-state swing (New Hampshire, Montana and Colorado) to hold town halls of his own — suggest that the White House’s counteroffensive was, “at best, break-even.”
This data comes from a poll showing a D/R/I split of 41/29/22.






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They must have read the bill...
The 41/29 Dem/Rep split is ridiculous. A 12 point gap when Obama won by 7 points in November.
However, McInturff was the pollster for McCain/Palin.
O/T
The Death Panel debate continues at NRO btw Rich Lowry & Andy McCarthy.
Lowry:
"Hi Jonah, you've tempted me into one last comment, which I'll attempt at the risk of further incurring the wrath of McCarthy & Steyn (a formidable tag-team no editor should ever want to cross). You call the death-panel allegation "awfully blunt and inexact." Uh, yeah — since the bill has no death panels that would operate anything like what most people would consider death panels, it's quite inexact. But we obviously agree on the nefarious general drift of Obamacare on end of life and rationing. I think the debate over the last two weeks has been unhelpful in one respect — it has focused attention on the end-of-life counseling when the deeper problem is the bill itself. The "death panels" may be dead, but the real threat remains."
McCarthy:
"Rich, I'm not looking to rehash the defining "death panels" debate. People can make of the back and forth what they will. And let me add another preliminary, I'm always mindful that one can get trapped in his own experience: proving a legal case (my experience) is very different from conducting a political campaign, so I may well be overstating what one can teach us about the other. But all that said, what you always agonize over in trying a mega-trial are the right themes: the two or three issues that can grab people by the throat, get them intensely interested, and give them a prism for analyzing all the sprawling complexity of the case. If you don't seize on the right notes, the jury can get intimidated and overwhelmed; if you hit the right ones, they feel like they can move through the voluminous evidence — even if it involves specialized topics that are out of the layman's ken — and get the big picture."
"There's a possibility, I agree, that the outsized importance of the "death panel" controversy and the "government option" gambit could blow up on us. If the Dems strip out these items and, along with their media friends, pretend that this means all the objectionable stuff has been addressed, then maybe the public ire subsides and they end up getting most of this abomination enacted."
"But I don't think that's how this is trending. Raising these issues hit the right notes: they gave people a prism for understanding the big picture of Obamacare, for thinking about individual freedom, sovereignty over your own body, euthanasia, governmental incompetence, healthcare as a matter of private property and choice not communal property and rationing, etc. They got people thinking about a lot more than death panels and government options. They got people more invested in defeating this monstrosity and — especially as ordinary citizens find that they are often more informed than lawmakers about what's in the proposal — they made it less likely that people will be intimidated by the complexity and the purported expertise of Democrats. Nothing is certain, but in the end I think it's a net positive — maybe a big one."
If it's 41/29 Dem/Rep yet the 'death panel' question was only -5
After a couple of weeks I expect some more Palin polls to be release and my gut tells me there is going to be a noticeable uptick.
the marxist poll was an outliar will see what public policy says on thursday.
yes, another poll...
"So, the jury is still out as to Governor Palin’s destiny in national politics. Palin herself has not announced an intent to seek higher office. However, if she does aspire to do so, she may be in for the fight of her political life.
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Rusty --
Re: Bill McInturff
McInturff also worked with David Axelrod, Rahm Emanuel and Mark McKinnon on Houston Mayor Bob Lanier's campaign in the early '90s.
How can these people justify a 41/29 split? Oh,that's right, it's NBC.
Isn't it interesting how many Axelrod cronies worked for Mccain campaign?
I am glad Standard is backing her up strongly. I was concerned when they were ever so silent.
This poll (Obama with a 51% approval rating) confirms Rasmussen's finding of the last 25 days where his approval number has floated anywhere from 47-50%.
Also take into account with these polls that the conservatives are leaving the Republican party affiliation because of the self-serving leadership of it's RINOs that have for the most part hijacked the party.
The marxist poll was released to counter the NBC poll.
Now we know why there was no mention of the polling dates.
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Has anyone else had the problem on FoxNation that their comments to show? I have posted a number of comments there and they never seem to show.
The educated, intelligent, brilliant orator sitting president beats the dumb, uneducated, whacko, quitter and irrelevant private citizen by only 23% and this is still in his first year.
Based on the MSM perception of both of them shouldn’t Obama be beating Palin by something more like 90/10.
This Marxist poll is great for Palin and a disaster for Obama.
Palin is powerful. One FB post and the opposition goes crazy. She hasn't even shown her face on television.
Is there a legitimate reason in this day and age to distribute health insurance through the employer ?
What is the point of this? Doing so kills employers and wreaks havoc on people changing jobs.
I have (the effect) of insurance through a Christian organization and one thing it does is free me up from the "ball and chain" of an employer due to the health insurance going through them.
Good night.
Look at this poll -The headline says that Sarah would lose to obama in 2012 yet when you take the poll the results show Palin 70% obama 20%
How can it be?
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/08/18/2009-08-18_poll_gop_heavyweight_sarah_palin_would_lose_in_2012_election_against_president_b.html
@Mary
Because WE have been allowed to vote there, the nydailynews is a liberal site, they probably polled a bunch of libs and asked them their opinion of her. Trust me, Obama's poll numbers are in the toilet, by this time in 2012, Spongebob Squarepants can run for President with Patrick Starr as his VP Candidate and Spoongebob would win in a landslide, the libs, in a span of 7 months, had too much power and went on a huge ego trip, they ruined it, now they are fighting amongst themselves. Obama is done
Mary
The article refers to a (Biased) Marxist poll released today. The poll on the website is a new poll set up by the Daily News
Techno,
The NBC poll only shows him with 40% disapproval, so he's still +11, while Ras has him at -1 (49/50).
The funny thing about this poll is it's from NBC. These people must be pulling their hair out over the numbers. Gov. Palin has made an impact in the HC debate. This is a good sign for our side.
In my opinion, the "death panels" may be dead, but the real threat remains."
Belive me I'm glad Sarah got that taken out of the bill. But to me the operative word is PANELS. When it comes to my health I just can't see myself going in front of a Goverment run Healthcare Panel. Like Oliver Twist saying "please sir, may I have more?"
It's just not American. No matter what age you are. and who's will talk for Trig, or my special need son Adrian. .... NO WAY!
sarah rocks 2012
Rino-Hunter:
I am more concerned about Obama's approval number than disapproval number. Quite simply if you approve of Obama you probably would vote for him; if you don't approve of him then you might vote for Obama's opponent, a third party or not vote at all.
The goal should be to bring Obama's approval number down rather than wait for his disapproval numbers to rise.
Techno,
You'll like this one. According to the Cook Report, 99 Dem house seats are in play: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2319247/posts
We only need to win 40 to take back control.
Techno,
I agree, I was just saying the NBC numbers don't totally comport due to sampling error.
We're winning.
They are in total meltdown if they still skew the poll this way, and they are still getting these
results, basically a tie at the margin of error, a 12 point differential in party split now,
not possible
narciso:
Rush has constantly harped on his contention lately that Obama may be causing the destruction of the Democratic party.
Rinao-hunter, my congressman's seat is definitely up for grabs. He's a blue dog refusing to have a town hall meeting and voted for cap and trade. This is a traditional Republican district but the previous guy was one of the most corrupt congressmen in office. I know I will never vote for the blue dog again (shuler).
You're proud that 45% of Americans believe something false (according to this poll), because Sarah Palin lied to them?
This makes you...happy? Proud?
Your goal is to bring Obama down; not help Americans get better health care?
Think about that for a minute. I mean, look in the mirror. What is it that you actually want? For yourselves? For your kids? Do you want them to live in a country that's Democratic process is run by how many people can create a false impression in the American public effectively?
If you have actual, substantive arguments with health care reform (do we need a public option? can we implement cost controls?), then I'm happy to hear it. But to create something that doesn't exist ("Death Panels") and then try to get other people to believe it is unethical, immoral and deeply troubling. It's also not particularly Christian.
Freeman,
Worried about lies?
How about Obama lying about:
1. taking public funding for his presidential campaign
2. having our troops out of Iraq in 16 months
3. not signing bills with earmarks
4. not having lobbyists in his administration
5. 5 days to look at bills online before he signs them
Paying doctors to encourage people to evaluate their "end-of-life" health care options in the context of saving money certainly will be a "go quietly into that good night" advice session for lots of people.
In Oregon assisted suicide is a bona fide medical option which the Oregon Health Plan does fund and has explicitly encouraged.
So, assisted suicide will clearly be an option presented to Oregon participants in the elderly advice sessions--and probably all across the nation. This will be, you know, a national plan with national application of available procedures.
No death panels? We already have them in Oregon.
Wash Times:
Death Panels exist already (in various states), supportive of Sarah
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/19/death-panels-exist-already/
Does it really not bother you guys that there are no death panels? That saying or implying that a government entity will decide to end health care (let alone when that ought to be) is a complete fabrication and that they will do no such thing?
That 45% of people believe something that isn't true is a really frightening statistic. It doesn't bother you that your "victory" is based on complete untruths?
Having Medicare pay for end-of-life counseling is a REPUBLICAN proposal, which until a few months ago was backed by the likes of Newt Gingrich. It's in place to help those near the end of their lives get their affairs in order and decide whether they'd like extreme measures utilized to keep them legally and technically alive, or whether they would like to be allowed to pass away once they're irretrievably unconscious but their organs are still functional. NO Federally elected official is talking about supporting policies that would encourage people to die. Nobody. Zero people.
Your biggest, most powerful argument in the health care debate is based on a massive, dishonest distortion of a once-Republican-supported measure to pay for services already being rendered, end-of-life counseling. How can you possibly celebrate that your efforts are misleading people? I simply cannot understand it.
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