Monday, August 17, 2009

NRO infighting about Palin



In their infinite wisdom, K-LO and friends have decided the time has come to once again stand athwart history yelling stop. Not at Barack Obama, mind you, no, at Gov. Palin:

To conclude from these possibilities to the accusation that President Obama’s favored legislation will lead to “death panels” deciding whose life has sufficient value to be saved — let alone that Obama desires this outcome — is to leap across a logical canyon. It may well be that in a society as litigious as ours, government will err on the side of spending more rather than treating less. But that does not mean that there is nothing to worry about. Our response to Sarah Palin’s fans and her critics is to paraphrase Peter Viereck: We should be against hysteria — including hysteria about hysteria.

Great. The most anti-conservative White House since, well... ever, is about to nationalize the entire American healthcare system, and Romney's cheerleaders-in-chief think this is a great time to start another round of GOP infighting. It is, to put it mildly, seriously lacking in judgement. In fact, I'm pretty sure Jake Tapper's conservative father-in-law would have called it downright idiotic. That's also NRO contributing editor Andy McCarthy's opinion. He respectfully voices his dissent against the editorial in a separate contribution (also published today) in which he effectively accuses his colleagues of Palin Derangement Syndrome:

I don't see any wisdom in taking a shot at Governor Palin at this moment when, finding themselves unable to defend the plan against her indictment, Democrats have backed down and withdrawn their "end-of-life counseling" boards. Palin did a tremendous service here. Opinion elites didn't like what the editors imply is the "hysteria" of her "death panels" charge. Many of those same elites didn't like Ronald Reagan's jarring "evil empire" rhetoric. But "death panels" caught on with the public just like "evil empire" did because, for all their "heat rather than light" tut-tutting, critics could never quite discredit it. ("BusHitler," by contrast, did not catch on with the public because it was so easily refuted.)

The editors implicitly concede that Palin is on to something. Indeed, from an Obamaesque perch, they find themselves admonishing both "Sarah Palin’s fans and her critics." With due respect, there's a right side and a wrong side on this one. Above the fray is not gonna cut it.

Sure, the editors acknowledge, there's lots of reason to be worried that we're speeding down the road toward euthanasia and that Obamacare could make things worse. But it's somehow "to leap across a logical canyon" to suggest that death panels are imminent or that they are what Obama wants.

On the latter, who cares what Obama personally wants? I don't see why we should play into the personality cult that the Left is hoping will overcome the deep substantive flaws in the president's policies. I happen to think that something like death panels is exactly what is desired by Obama — who is an abortion extremist, who supported a form of infanticide when he was an Illinois state legislator, and who has wondered aloud about the value of end-of-life care provided for his own grandmother. But Obama's personal feelings are beside the point. What matters is what's in the bill.

In suggesting it's hyperbole to say death panels are — or were — in the bill, the editors engage in a little hysteria of their own, describing the function of such panels as "deciding whose life has sufficient value to be saved." But few people worried about death panels think the process will be anything so crude. It will be what Mark Steyn described in his column this weekend: the bureaucrats won't pull the plug on you; they will gradually restrict your access to various forms of treatment while you wither away prematurely. Maybe if Palin had called them "Dying on the Vine Panels" our opinion elites would have been more understanding — though I doubt it, Palin derangement syndrome having proved itself more infectious than Bush derangement syndrome.

The editors further suggest that Palin could be wrong — not that she is wrong, but she could be. After all, they reason, "it may well be that in a society as litigious as ours, government will err on the side of spending more rather than treating less."

Really? First of all, there is no more to spend. Second, the editors themselves admit at the very beginning of the editorial that "rationing is inevitable in medicine. Not everything that might be in a patient’s best interest can be done in a world of finite resources." The whole point of health-care "reform" is to enable something other than the combination of individual liberty and market forces — namely, government bureaucrats — to do the inevitable rationing. Third and finally, as I discuss in my column this morning, the Obamacare proposal has a remedy for "a society as litigious as ours": it systematically cuts off access to the courts so that the decisions of the executive branch are final. The bill is designed to insure against litigation pressure to spend more rather than treat less.

I think Palin was right to argue her point aggressively. Largely because she did, a horrible provision is now out of this still horrible Obamacare proposal. To the contrary, if the argument had been made the way the editors counsel this morning, "end-of-life counseling" would still be in the bill. We might have impressed the Beltway with the high tone of our discourse and the suppleness of our reasoning, but we'd have lost the public. I respectfully dissent.

NRO's editors take aim at Palin, and instead end up shooting themselves in the foot. Proof if proof were needed that when it comes to the issues that really matter you're better off reading Facebook than the magazine of the late (and sorely missed) William F. Buckley.

UPDATE by RAM: We have some of the sharpest readers in the blogosphere. One of our readers sent this email to Andy McCarthy and gave us permission to repost it here:

You are dead on with the "Evil Empire" reference.

For what it's worth, I also think Whittaker Chambers (you know, the guy who turned that other sports broadcaster into a conservative President) is also on your side:

"If the Rep[ublican] Party cannot get some grip of the actual world we live in and from it generalize and actively promote a program that means something to masses of people—why, somebody else will. There will be nothing to argue. The voters will simply vote Republicans into singularity. The Rep[ublican] Party will become like one of those dark little shops which apparently never sell anything. If, for any reason, you go in, you find, at the back, an old man, fingering for his own pleasure, some oddment of cloth (weave and design of 1850). Nobody wants to buy them, which is fine because the old man is not really interested in selling. He just likes to hold and to feel."

And on National Review specifically, Chambers was concerned that the conservative movement would become nothing more than an exclusive coterie in a “a stifling little room where conservatives huddle together and hear each other moan.” The very fact that NR is even talking about rationing is only because of Sarah Palin and her ability to bypass the MSM and communicate blunt truths to the people.

I used to have an NR subscription. I loved getting it in the mail and reading it cover to cover. Those were the days. I've let my subscription lapse. Aside from one or two thoughtful writers (and a good post every now and then from some of the regulars), the magazine has really gone down hill. The American Thinker is a better outlet for cutting edge conservatism (and hell, I've found a wealth of ideas throughout the conservative blogosphere. The posts by the guy at Hot Air who blogs under the pseudonym "Doctor Zero" is masterful when compared to some of the dull drivel I've read in recent months at NRO). When I discovered that I could read Thomas Sowell at Real Clear Politics and Mark Steyn at SteynOnline and Victor Davis Hanson at VictorHanson.com, there just seemed no reason to even go to NRO. Their only useful function now is to act as a sort of sexed up version of the Heritage Foundation. If you're looking for a dry policy paper, NRO is your place. They're not about winning the battle for conservatism, they're about getting respect in the faculty lounge.

Ann Coulter once said that every few years NR feels the need to throw a good conservative under the bus in order to show the Georgetown/Manhattan cocktail crowd how "reasonable" they are (not like those rabid rightwingers like Coulter and Limbaugh). Sarah Palin is a natural choice for going under their tire treads. It's as if they're throwing the entire grassroots under their bus too.

To that I say,
"Digitus impudicus!" You are no longer standing athwart history shouting, "Stop!" You are standing on the sidelines tsk-tsking Sarah Palin as she makes it stop.

UPDATE II by RAM: Dan Riehl takes NRO to task here. Vintage Riehl.

UPDATE III by RAM: Conservative Comeback writes:

In one week Sarah Palin had a portion of the bill tossed out and along with the help of townhall protesters has put ObamaCare on life support. Can anyone point me to a National Review article that has made headlines to damage this bill? Hell, can anyone show me anything they wrote that made headlines during the campaign? Actually, that's not fair. They did make headlines when Christopher Buckley endorsed Barack Obama. Oh, and when Kathleen Parker called on Palin to resign. Keep up the great work.

Read the rest.

UPDATE by Mel: Kathryn Jean Lopez via NPR:

Hillary Clinton snapped. It was unfortunate, because she is our secretary of state and she blew a fuse while abroad, but it's only human to unload now and again. And it was apparently all a misunderstanding, in any case. Predictably, it has unleashed a partisan defense team the likes of which a Sarah Palin will never know. [emphasis added]

Well, she's clearly not going to get it from NR, but we've known that for quite a while, haven't we? She does, however, have a defense team here. One that is more interested in stopping ObamaCare and saving the country than being invited to parties in Georgetown.

117 comments:

AmeriCuda August 17, 2009 11:20 AM  

Thank you JOSHUA!!!!!!

cookboy August 17, 2009 11:30 AM  

National Review? NR? Not Relevant! I used to read those guys, 'til it seemed to me that they're just another cell of the entrenched beltway mook cancer. It's encouraging to see some spark of awareness within their ranks.

section9 August 17, 2009 11:31 AM  

Jesus.

You know why they did this, didn't you?

K-Lo and the Romneyist Wet crowd were deeply disturbed that rank and file Republicans, and it turns out, the MSM, were beginning to believe that it was little Sarah and her facebook missives that were driving Teh Won back.

So, naturally, they do what? Join in the attack on Obama?

Maits non!

They join the ranks of the Vichy Republicans and attack the Movement Conservatives behind Palin!

What do you expect from NRO, anyway?

Typical of the Romneybots. A sad attempt to deflect attention away from the wretched record of the pro-choice Quisling from Massachussetts.

What? The people at NRO don't think we can't google? They don't think we know who isn't fronting them?

John Galt August 17, 2009 11:31 AM  

Buckley had at least one too many debates with Gore Vidal and as a result he wound up moving to the left and taking the National Review with it.

That is again evident by their editorial bashing Palin

jimr3 August 17, 2009 11:33 AM  

Thanks for posting this. A great take down by Andy McCarthy. Everyone needs to email this to Rush, Mark Levin and Tammy Bruce.

Not only is NRO cheerleading for Romney but it looks like they are carrying water for Tim Pawlenty as well.

Behold John Hood writing in today's NRO's The Corner:

"Pawlenty of Alternatives in Health Care"

Hood: "Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty is positioning himself to be a key Republican debater of the president on health care, reports the Star Tribune:"

Star Tribune: "In Chicago on Friday night before party activists from around the nation, he slammed large government-run programs in an implicit criticism of Democratic proposals to overhaul health care."

"The entitlement programs that the federal government currently runs are all broke and headed to bankruptcy," he told more than 100 people, many of them local officeholders. "Medicare is bankrupt or essentially bankrupt. Medicaid is essentially bankrupt. Social Security is essentially bankrupt."

"Why in the heck would we give the federal government another entitlement program to match on that track record?" he said, drawing hearty applause."

Hood: "After controversies erupted this summer around two other GOP governors who were potential 2012 rivals to him, Pawlenty has an opportunity to build some momentum in the coming months. It will be interesting to see what he does with it."

http://tinyurl.com/ppodqz
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Excuse me?

"After controversies erupted this summer around two other GOP governors"

I don't see how anyone can equate Sanford's selfish choice of fooling around on his wife to Sarah Palin's selfless decision to step down to better her state and her country. The two are not equal.

Sanford's situation was a controversy.

Sarah Palin's decision to stepdown was statesmanlike.

rae4LOTUS August 17, 2009 11:37 AM  

OT but LOL. Canada is thinking about reforming their healthcare sytem--back to free-market style.

http://tiny.cc/qo3Hp

john August 17, 2009 11:42 AM  
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latinchic August 17, 2009 11:43 AM  

Wow.

I don't waste my precious time nor my braincells worrying what NRO thinks about us Palin "fans". I've accepted that NRO generally are not Palin supporters, but I did not expect them to attack her or us in this manner.

Very well then.

john August 17, 2009 11:44 AM  

Here's what this is about.

These people don't really care about protecting weak innocent life at all stages. It's all about how smart they want us to believe they are. So, they have to constantly put down the person who out does them.

I realized this years ago. That's why I stopped getting NR.

BTW, I pray they never endorse Sarah Palin. It's the kiss of death.

narciso August 17, 2009 11:44 AM  

Apparently we are suppose to
"immantesize the eschaton" whatever that means, and instead of saying like Gandalf 'you will not pass' it's more like 'these are not the droids you're looking for, move along"

CruelaDev August 17, 2009 11:44 AM  

OT:

Please Help support Glenn Beck!
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=107088

A Palin Defender is under attack!

Chrisin206 August 17, 2009 11:46 AM  

This was funny to read.

NRO on "End of Life" provisions statement:

"It will lead to rationing by government bureaucrats but Sarah Palin is stupid for defining them as "Death Panels"

We agree with her and all but we have to explain that comment at our cocktail party with the libs and it becomes annoying."

Why don't they just come out and say what every conservative is starting to suspect about these people?

john August 17, 2009 11:47 AM  

Section 8 with or without your permission, I will use your excellent phrase "Vichy Republicans."

SteveBayrd August 17, 2009 11:47 AM  

Thanks Joshua!

Additionally, the "litigious society" argument is neutered by the fact that the government CANNOT be sued! Why would they spend more when no legal leverage to do so exists.

wisetrog August 17, 2009 11:47 AM  

jimr3, it could be John ensign they were talking about not Sarah. And if they praise another governor, why should we feel bad about it? Whether he has made impact or not, Pawlenty did make some good points and he went hard after Romney which is good for us. we need someone to split Romney's mod vote in NH and if Pawlenty is the guy, go for it.

OTOH, their other editorial is quite bizarre n snooty.

Sharon August 17, 2009 11:50 AM  

The Jake Tapper FIL link does not work.

rae4LOTUS August 17, 2009 11:53 AM  

NRwhO? Thanks for the blasphemy section9.

Conservative Comeback August 17, 2009 11:53 AM  

Is this the same National Review that has employed David Frum, Kathleen Parker, Christopher Buckley, and Jonathan Martin? Not exactly a great track record as of late. Sorry if I'm not buying what they're selling

jimr3 August 17, 2009 11:55 AM  

wisetrog,

I disagree, Jim Ensign is a senator not a governor. Hood wrote: "After controversies erupted this summer around two other GOP governors who were potential 2012 rivals...".

That only leaves Palin and Sanford.

Whitney The Pipsqueak August 17, 2009 11:55 AM  

I think that from now on, anytime that C4P posts an article like this or from Noonan, Parker etc, I'm going to simply respond by quoting a line from one of my favorite movies, Steel Magnolias:

"An ounce of pretension is worth a pound of manure"

William Henley August 17, 2009 11:56 AM  

Non-Readable Op-eds opinion makes no difference to anyone important. Nice article, by the way. I listened to Newt this morning talking to matt lowrey on the Today Show. He said that not a single republican will vote for the HC bill come September. He certainly is starting to suck up to Sarah. Damned RINO's are beginning to worry about re-election. Tsk, Tsk

wisetrog August 17, 2009 12:01 PM  

jimr3, you're right. My mistake.

wisetrog August 17, 2009 12:02 PM  

Non-Readable Op-eds, lol.

Another C4P-ism. We have some great geniuses here.

Izzy August 17, 2009 12:03 PM  

Sarah will expose RomneyCare

They are in panic mood.

Sarah rules.
Barrack lies.
Mitt lies.

CharterOakie August 17, 2009 12:05 PM  

Great post. Great piece by McCarthy.

There will continue to be, at least a while longer, an 'anyone but Palin' wing.

Pawlenty is to Palin as a firefly is to a supernova.

wisetrog August 17, 2009 12:06 PM  

Guys, don't freak about Pawlenty. I think he is on our side. He'll play stalking horse for Sarah and split the Mod vote with Romney in exchange for VP slot. No way he'll ever win the nomination.

narciso August 17, 2009 12:10 PM  

Pawlenty's fine, he hasn't taken the bait. NR is clearly not following the "O Sullivan" rule, any organization that is not explicitly right, goes left

CouleeLivin August 17, 2009 12:17 PM  

My response to NRO as a NRO reader:

Many thanks for the slap-down to all us “Palin fans”, and coming right back at you. Dr. Thomas Sowell opens his recent article “Medical care, health care not same” with the line “Is there a coherent argument for government-controlled medical care or are slogans and hysteria considered sufficient?”. I’d say Palin and her fans are way ahead of you on their way to answering Dr. Sowell’s two part question above. You can thank us for the “hysterics” later.

http://www.dnj.com/article/20090722/OPINION02/907220315/1014/RSS05

Jenny August 17, 2009 12:27 PM  

NRO is out of touch. The magazine is getting in to a path that will single-handidly sinking themselves.

Andy McCarthy is absolutely right in his takedown. Why is the magazine attacking Sarah?! They should be attacking democrats!
Mark Levin once and a while writes for The Corner. It'll be interesting to hear if he'll comment on this today.

moon816 August 17, 2009 12:28 PM  

I remember Pawlenty took a shot at the Guv after her RGA speech, he said, in a sarcastic way, that He thought the topic is about shaping the future.

KentonAK August 17, 2009 12:33 PM  
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TommyReport August 17, 2009 12:36 PM  

Why Support For Health Care Has Fallen
By Justin Miller
http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/08/why_support_for_health_care_has_fallen.php

Why has health care reform’s public support fallen despite its push among a popular president and significant Democratic majorities in Congress?

It would have been hard to believe several months ago that the high flying president and the liberals in Congress would have had multiple provisions in different bills stripped out and that the public insurance option would be seemingly on the ropes.

Given the particular trouble the health care agenda is in, now is a good time to study the recent past to give some answers to how we arrived here.

Death Panels Autopsy

Sarah Palin and Republicans managed to poison the well over health care reform by likening end-of-life counseling to “death panels” and similar charges, even though they were so caustic that they were almost unbelievable from the start.

The accusations were false, but they had enough attention that Democrats had to respond by explaining what was being distorted. The government would pay doctors to talk to you about the options available at the end of your life, they said. Stripped of the demagoguery, the reality of this proposal was scary, as Charles Lane wrote. Republican attacks heightened awareness of this ugly truth, which killed it, and then cast a pall over health care reform……

The New Mainstream Media

Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and the Drudge Report are now clearly part of the mainstream media. They have the same power to cover and elevate a story as do CNN, NPR, and The New York Times and are as important as their counterparts to how America gets its information. As such they force the press to cover stories that it may not otherwise spend time on, such as Jeremiah Wright or “Joe the Plumber” during the presidential election. Historian Rick Pearlstein wrote that in the 1960s the press didn’t cover accusations as false and wild as “death panels” and the birther meme. Now they do, and it helped kill major portions of the health care agenda.

Social Networking’s Potent Potential

Just as the merger of alternative and mainstream media have occurred gradually this decade, so too has the Internet’s efficacy as a political media. We didn’t bat an eyelash over Palin’s choice of Facebook to make her infamous statement, but it would have looked undignified a few years ago if a national politician used the web like that.

Not only are Facebook and Twitter more legitimate, they have discrete power. Both send messages less obtrusively than e-mail, and require none of the financial or labor costs that managing e-mail lists do. Palin has no organization and spent no money to get her message out. While a website lacks a television channel’s reach, it is friendlier to politicians’ messages because people sign into Facebook or follow on Twitter because they want to hear from others. If they want to find a politician’s speech on TV they must make the effort to search for it. As for political advertisements: no one watches TV for the commercials. By comparison, you need only to hit a one button one time on Facebook and you’re guaranteed to receive messages with far less trouble than TV requires.

CharterOakie August 17, 2009 12:37 PM  

I've got nothing against Gov. Pawlenty. Just against those who want to push substitutes for the real deal, substitutes who don't hold a candle to her.

Secondly, there's no guarantee that Sarah will want or need the Republican nomination. Rather, it's the party that needs her.

How many times does she need to make it clear that "politics as usual" is not what she's about?

Whitney The Pipsqueak August 17, 2009 12:40 PM  

RAM,
Thanks for sharing that letter! I like the "digitus impudicus".

After all, Sarah Palin is a the "digitus impudicus ambulabat" to the Left (and the Republican elite)

Please forgive my lack of Latin grammar skills. I simply googled "walking in Latin" , and this is what I found. I don't know if it is in the right tense or place in the phrase.

Hal August 17, 2009 12:42 PM  

Tammy Bruce (on her new internet only stream show -- see my previous post) is taking apart Tim Pawlenty regarding his GOPAC speech -- he's a nice guy, but has no support, influence, or as much star power as Palin to influence the debate.

Kaw & Border August 17, 2009 12:42 PM  

Amen. NRO lost me a while ago, unfortunately. I still go there, but the anti-Palin stuff drives me nuts.

narciso August 17, 2009 12:44 PM  

Well that comment from the home of the 'resident obstetrician',Andrew
Sullivan, sees the impact she has made, is the proof of the pudding

Jenny August 17, 2009 12:49 PM  

Dan Riehl of Riehl World View also wrote about the irrelevance of NRO:
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2009/08/nro-palin-is-hysterical.html

jimr3 August 17, 2009 12:49 PM  

wisetrog @ 12:01,

I have no beef with Pawlenty – he’s a little too soft as a conservative for my liking but he seems to be a good man nonetheless. My beef is with “conservative” pundits like NRO’s John Hood who take sneaky pot shot at Palin by lumping her in the same sentence with the philander Mark Sanford. If John Hood and the entire editorial board at the NRO favor Pawlenty/Romney over Palin that’s fine, more power to them. But in building up their candidate, the NRO editorial board shouldn’t be misrepresenting a fellow conservative who only happens to be on their side.

section9 August 17, 2009 12:49 PM  

All that said, all that said:

Now is the time for Palin to sieze control of the agenda from the Wets and the Vichy crowd. There are forces in the Senate and the House, as well as the graverobbers over at Big Pharma, who will make a deal with the Administration for thirty pieces of silver.

She needs to step up and lead. Now. More than just Facebook, please.

The Obamists and the MSM will hope the opposition remains disorganized and inchoate. She needs to take a clear stand: "bold colors, not pale pastels."

Geedubya August 17, 2009 12:50 PM  

Gosh, makes me wish I had an NR subscription.

So I could CANCEL IT!!

Conservativeguy August 17, 2009 12:51 PM  

I think some of you are underestimating Tim Pawlenty: Think about it..good fiscal conservative, conservative on foreign policy, evangelical, one marriage, elected in a blue state.

This makes him a huge threat to Huckabee and Palin in Iowa. You had better be worrying about Iowa before you worry to much about NH. Actually, Romney will win NH no matter what you do....so worry about Pawlenty in Iowa and SC....if you want Sarah to stay in the race.

narciso August 17, 2009 12:55 PM  

Focus CG, our 'two minute hate' is on NR, although we excerpt Steyn,
McCarthy, Hanson, & Nordlinger from
the torches. Pawlenty is fine,

R. A. Mansour August 17, 2009 1:02 PM  

narciso said...
Focus CG, our 'two minute hate' is on NR, although we excerpt Steyn,
McCarthy, Hanson, & Nordlinger from
the torches. Pawlenty is fine,
====

LMAO! +100!

You just named the only people there worth reading.

Al August 17, 2009 1:03 PM  

Nice to see RAM back posting...

RAM is getting to be like like Palin...they disappear for a while and you never quite know when they are gonna pop up with something good!

AmeriCuda August 17, 2009 1:03 PM  

That UPDATE by RAM instantly became one of my all-time favorite posts at C4P, because it contains so many important facts/truths jam packed into so few words. From the LETTER to DOCTOR ZERO to the AMERICAN THINKER to Digitus impudicus!

Brad Hamilton:
"Learn it. Know it. Live it."
Jeff Spicoli:
(s)he's the full hot orator.

Nancy August 17, 2009 1:06 PM  

Thank you for the post and the update letter!

AmeriCuda August 17, 2009 1:11 PM  

Word on the grapevine is that the several of the blue dogs are being/have been bought off by Emanuel with multi-million dollar 'lobbying' gigs that go into effect if and when they are defeated as a result of their votes. They're ramming this thing through. Bank on it.

TangledThorns August 17, 2009 1:12 PM  

NRO are DC elites, what else do expect?

Sheya August 17, 2009 1:13 PM  

I have come to believe that the republicans don’t want to be in power, they’d much rather be in opposition. Who can blame them, it’s much easier, you’re not held responsible for anything, you can just go around commentating on TV “looking good” and every now and again run off to Argentina for some funs without the consequences.

Would the republicans truly be interested in taking back the White House in 2012 they would now unite and embrace Sarah Palin as their idol.

OK, I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt, maybe they weren’t happy with the way her VP interviews went, maybe they didn’t know how to deal with the post campaign McCain accusations and maybe they couldn’t accept her resignation for anything more than just quitting. So the conventional wisdom was that Sarah Palin is politically over. But, now that her simple Facebook posting has changed the debate and single handily changed the bill, shouldn’t this be a sign of her power and her capability.

Imagine, the entire Republican party decides to accept Sarah Palin as a serious candidate, they rally behind her, fiercely defend her every time she gets attacked, the power the long term momentum the Republican party would have would be unparalleled.

The MSM loves talking about Sarah Palin, she has enormous – and growing – number of the supporters. The fact that she isn’t a typical beltway politician could help the party brand itself as the “Party for the people, by the people”.
The Democrats rallied behind Barack Obama, an un-experienced first term senator from Illinois. There was enough to destroy him from within without too much rebuke. They had Clinton as their presumptive leader, ahead in the polls to win the 2008 election no matter who the Republican candidate was. There really was no need for Obama in order to win the election.

But, no, the united behind the young charismatic candidate, defended him at every point and the American people with all their questions followed them to elect the first African American president.

hrh August 17, 2009 1:14 PM  

ALERT: "Palin must do this" advice at 12:49!

Let's just let Sarah do what Sarah's gonna' do, shall we?

If we mock and ream out Newt for telling her what to do, how can we turn around and tell her what to do ourselves?

Let's not be like the libs and exempt ourselves from our own rules.

BTW, someone mentioned that her kids start school today.

And her gift reports are also due today.

So let's let Sarah do what Sarah's gotta' do. Remember, she's a private citizen now.

Jaclyn August 17, 2009 1:19 PM  

I hereby nominate R. A. Mansour as the reincarnated WFB...see, when you write something like "Digitus impudicus" the man is smiling his lizardlike smile and peeling another grape.

GoneWithTheRINO August 17, 2009 1:24 PM  

Good Article! Sarah Palin makes Dems cry "uncle" over death panels.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/08/17/stilletto-palin-health-care-obama/

John Galt August 17, 2009 1:24 PM  

wisetrog said...

Guys, don't freak about Pawlenty. I think he is on our side. He'll play stalking horse for Sarah and split the Mod vote with Romney in exchange for VP slot. No way he'll ever win the nomination.

August 17, 2009 12:06 PM

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I agree. I think he would make a good VP on Palin's ticket

Pawlenty even had this to say very recently

Tim Pawlenty foresees GOP surge if health plan is rejected

CHICAGO – Minnesota GOP Gov. Tim Pawlenty took an aggressive line against President Barack Obama’s proposed health care overhaul Friday and insisted that a rejection of the Democratic plan could usher in a Republican resurgence.

“It appears that President Obama is making great progress on climate change, he is changing the political climate in the country back to Republican,” Pawlenty said during a speech to the second annual GOPAC conference in Chicago.

“He went around the country last fall promising ‘change we can believe in,’ but now we see it’s about changing what we believe in,” said Pawlenty, an anticipated 2012 Republican presidential contender. “We need to be calling out the flaws and misguided decisions of the Democrats in Congress and the Obama administration.” .....

Pawlenty also rolled out a social conservative message, something he has not been particularly well known for as the governor of Minnesota.

“It should be ok for all of us to believe in and acknowledge God,” the governor said. “We believe that, it’s ok, let’s put it out there.”

Pawlenty added that “we need to do all that we can to promote family, to promote parenting.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/26138.html

Edward Cropper August 17, 2009 1:25 PM  

First of all National Review has never been the spokesperson for conservatives. It has for years representative certain conservative snobs and some non snobs, but not conservatism as a whole.
I have read NR almost from it's beginning and for all the respect I have for Bill Buckley, he never did represent me in anything. His conservatism was an intellectual philosophical approach. By his very background he could never really understand any conservative who made under $20,000 a year.
NRO has gone even further off the reservation, and can't grasp the fact that there is a whole new breed of right wingers out there who won't take marching orders from any elitist conservative clique regardless of their assumed leadership.

NoMoRino's August 17, 2009 1:29 PM  

THREE WORDS:
National Romney Review

1-20-13, staying focused.

Nancy August 17, 2009 1:33 PM  

NRO says no need to get hysterical now, wait until the rationing is actually rammed through and starts. ObamaCare hospital emergency waiting rooms is the better venue for that. In fact those "mobs" at the townhall meetings, can take all their yelling, frustration and indignation to non "death panels" ObamaCareLand. No hysterics until after it's foisted upon us! You hysterical nuts!

Meadow August 17, 2009 1:34 PM  

The editors further suggest that Palin could be wrong — not that she is wrong, but she could be. After all, they reason, "it may well be that in a society as litigious as ours, government will err on the side of spending more rather than treating less."
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tort reform tort reform tort reform

If tort reform does not happen, the cost of health care will continue to escalate.

We, the people, must make our own decisions about our lives, handle it ourselves, stop depending on any 'nanny' state to do it for us.

Pretend you have NO resources, no ambulance to call when you twist your ankle, because 'insurance' will pay for it. Instead, wrap the ankle, elevate it, stay off your feet, ice it. RICE works. (Rest, Ice, Compression, Elevation)

Pretend it is the days of the prairie schooners. Take care of yourself and your family.

I'm sure you all can add other ways to 'pass go and collect $200' in the game of Let's Take Care of Us.

section9 August 17, 2009 1:35 PM  

hrh:No. I get that "Sarah has to be Sarah." I anticipated that reaction in a previous thread.

I suspect that she already understands this and is probably preparing a speech of some sort. She's no babe in the woods. Facebook only gets you so far: it doesn't allow you to frame an issue in the minds of the general public and coalesce your allies around you-which is what a good speech does.

There is an upside to going dark as she has done. Her rationing of her public appearances increases media interest in her as a personality. Her public fencing with Obama using Facebook has only whetted the appetite of the press for her when she does appear next.

Consequently? Her speech on health care, when it is made, will have maximum impact.

jimr3 August 17, 2009 1:35 PM  

"To that I say, "Digitus impudicus!" You are no longer standing athwart history shouting, "Stop!" You are standing on the sidelines tsk-tsking Sarah Palin as she makes it stop."

Classic!

Yes, WFB would be proud.

jimr3 August 17, 2009 1:42 PM  

GoneWithTheRINO @ 1:24,

Good article and thanks for sharing. Now if

AmeriCuda August 17, 2009 1:52 PM  

Even if you've read it here, remember to click on the link to Andy McCarthy's post. I would love it if his rebuttal got more traffic than the Lowry's hit-piece.
KJ Lopez & Co. are throwing up a bunch of garbage posts to drop it down on the 'corner' page a quickly as possible.
-HA!

jimr3 August 17, 2009 1:53 PM  

Rush just now said:

"Death Panel" was a CLEVER phrase by Sarah Palin to focus Obama and the public.

Hear that NRO?

techno August 17, 2009 1:55 PM  

From yesterday's Open thread:

5th columnists were Spaniards who betrayed the Republican forces to Franco during the Spanish Civil War by weakening or subverting the former's resolve to fight, fomenting dissent and and generally promoting its own ends.

The terms should be also applied to RINO's who go on cable news shows as pundits and promote this selfsame agenda and end up subverting or diminishing the impact that Sarah Palin and the conservative movement are trying to have on the national conversation regarding Obamacare and other national issues.

From today:

You can add NRO and other so-called right wing outlets and blogs to the category of fifth columnists if they seek to do what I have described above.

Nancy August 17, 2009 1:55 PM  

FIRE! FIRE!


Quit being hysterical!

Lipstick August 17, 2009 2:02 PM  

These people are hopeless.

They are all taking violin lessons and playing the take cheap lying shots at Palin while Rome burns.

Obama is destroying this nation and they want to pick a fight with the 'Cuda? Now is your chance you RINO's to go for the throat of the Dems and their agenda but instead you are rattling 'Cuda's cage?


She is not scared and does not give a rip what you think.

Hopeless, completely hopeless fools.

jimr3 August 17, 2009 2:15 PM  

Rush talking about Sarah again.

William Henley August 17, 2009 2:17 PM  

Got to make a correction. I didn't have enough coffee yet this morning. It wasn't newt that I saw. It was Dean. Sorry for the mis-info.

Stephen Boyce [aka Vadm Collingwood] August 17, 2009 2:27 PM  

National Review is simply a fashion accessory for certain Ivy League legacy admissions whose idea of speaking truth to power is a Mitt Romney position paper.

Never entrust power to anyone who is not willing to surrender it.

Chesley Perlmutter August 17, 2009 2:31 PM  

Didn't Frum take the credit for coining "Axis of Evil" in Bush's speech? Remember, the left thought that was outrageous.

How is "death Panel" any different than "Axix of Evil", or even "Evil Empire"? All are provocative, but all three speak volumes.

What I find amazing is that so many people link "death panel" solely to "end of life counseling". I don't know if they just failed to read her whole piece or if they're just too stupid to understand that she chose to use a rhetorical device as a descriptive for the collective of details within the bill that allows bureaucrats to determine the value of life.

techno August 17, 2009 2:37 PM  

A doctor called in today to Rush's program and mentioned he already conducts end-of-life counseling which he bills Medicare for.

Rush then pointed out that there is a clear difference when a doctor initiates a conversation and then bills Medicare and Obama's plan for government bureaucrats to order or compel doctors to engage in such practices and incentivize them to conduct as many 'counselling sessions' as they possibly can in order to further Obama's agenda to ration healthcare and thus reduce the costs associated with healthcare.

In the former scenario the doctor is acting voluntarily on behalf of his/her patient and laying the facts on the table, while in the latter scenario doctors act as paid shills of Obama and facilitators of reducting the government deficit.

Nancy August 17, 2009 2:56 PM  

I wonder if the 50 people that showed up to the pizza parlor listening tour event were most of the NRO and their families.

Whitney The Pipsqueak August 17, 2009 2:58 PM  
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gamsbo August 17, 2009 3:02 PM  

OT

Did not know if I should post this or were I understand that most of the poll or fixed but here it is...it seems that Huck's people are voting and others anti-Paliin people 2 days ago she was at 54%...

OneNewsNow.com Poll
If a GOP presidential primary were held today, which of the following candidates (listed alphabetically) would you most likely vote for?
Newt Gingrich - 4.28%
[4.28%]
Mike Huckabee - 17.58%
[17.58%]
Sarah Palin - 31.70%
[31.70%]
Tim Pawlenty - 0.40%
[0.40%]
Mitt Romney - 5.06%
[5.06%]
None of the above - 40.99%
[40.99%]
145373 responses

Sorry if I posted in the worry place

kent August 17, 2009 3:05 PM  

Just reinforces the rightness of my decision, made last year, to finally drop my years-long subscription to NR -- a terminus ultimately reached precisely because of said outfit's incessant anti-SoCon snapping and sniping.

Any relevance to modern conservatism the National Review might once have claimed, either in principle or practice, passed away simultaneously with Buckley the Elder.

James in Missouri August 17, 2009 3:05 PM  

I normally don't blog much here because there are people much more intelligent making cogent remarks that share the exact same thoughts as I do. But I must speak out and say that the GOP is undergoing a civil war. On one side you have the establishment Rockefeller beltway elites that want to have the party continue to be centrist with a dash of liberalism. On the other side you have what Sarah Palin represents, the working middle class who "cling to their guns and their religion" who believe in smaller more efficient government and they have had it with the Rockefeller wing choosing our candidates. I believe the 2010 elections and 2012 GOP primary will illustrate how heated this civil war will be. Sarah has my support. In fact she had me at "Hell-no!"

techno August 17, 2009 3:07 PM  

gamsbo:

Sarah was originally at over 50%. This poll is now contaminated by Leftist trolls. There is no way the Republican voters would have voted 40% for none of the above. It would be inconsistent with every other poll that has been disclosed over the last 6 months.

CharterOakie August 17, 2009 3:11 PM  

Stephen Boyce: brilliant.

The first para gets a big chuckle, and the last part a big cheer...

because one has stepped forth who has proven herself completely worthy to be entrusted.

techno August 17, 2009 3:13 PM  

James in Missouri:

Do feel intimidated by posters here at C4P.

You point was succinct and brilliant.

As you might know I am a contrarian, iconoclast and certainly not an elitist.

Please, feel free to post as often as you want to or feel compelled to.

Between you and me James there are too many damned people with letters after their name who don't know what the hell they are doing and get too much respect while people like you and me deserve more respect for knowing that you can't spend more than you earn and that government has no business recommending to individuals (through surrogates) whether they should live or die.

CouleeLivin August 17, 2009 3:23 PM  

Andy McCarthy is now branded "goofball" by Connor Clarke at the Daily Dish

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/08/defending-sarah-palin-and-her-death-panels.html

Hmmmmm.

bestbud August 17, 2009 3:24 PM  

The thundering sounds of RINO-Republicans are just like real RINO's in heat... a lot of futile effort expended in an attempt to satisfy natures urges!

jimr3 August 17, 2009 3:39 PM  

CouleeLivin @ 3:23,

From the link you provided written by the idiot Conner Clarke:

"The National Review published an editorial this morning pointing out, correctly in my view, that Sarah Palin did a great disservice by claiming that Obama's health-care plan would lead to euthanizing "death panels."
=======================

See how insidious this is?

Expect much more of this from the left. They will be using the NRO editorial as a tool to discredit a fellow conservative.

Feel good about yourselves NRO? See what happens when you don't observe Reagan's 11th commandment? Or am I being to "hysterical"?

bestbud August 17, 2009 3:40 PM  

Im sensing our good Gov. is diligently strategizing, in this interim...
Should I jute around or thru the opposition.... make a pass or keep the ball, maybe use a delay, use some clock, make um chase the ball, all the while tiring while desperately trying to figure things out.... Im in their heads.... WOW, there's soooo... much more vacant space in here than one would imagine.

AmeriCuda August 17, 2009 3:41 PM  
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AmeriCuda August 17, 2009 3:44 PM  

"Predictably, it has unleashed a partisan defense team the likes of which a Sarah Palin will never know."
This is proof that the backlash against NRO is getting under KJL skin. Her transparent way of lashing out at all of those Palin fans who voice their displeasure with her/their attacks.
KLO= YOU SUNK MY BATTLESHIP!

PEC August 17, 2009 3:47 PM  

james - We are just Ordinary Barbarians on this site. You can't post anything too far off and unlike the Georgetown Cocktail Parties nobody here looks down on you. In fact we welcome all thoughts and ideas with many better than some of ours. Even if we disagree (and have our family feuds) they are just that family feuds. Go one blog over and we will have your back 100% and you would never even know we had a disagreement with you. We leave holding grudges for fellow barbarians to the Georgetown Cocktail club.

jimr3 August 17, 2009 3:51 PM  

I think it would be interesting to know what the site traffic is of NRO compared to other conservative sites and Sarah’s facebook page.

Eunice August 17, 2009 3:55 PM  

'Is anyone 'forced' to be a conservative?'

Why are people who are clearly not conservatives by any stretch of the imagination, still clinging to the label CONSERVATIVE? I find it difficult to understand.

Sarah Palin represents what being a conservative is all about, and I know she WILL do the right thing by and for all americans.

As an outsider looking in, I can't believe how anybody could have been fooled by Obama, to the point of getting enough people to vote him into the presidency.

God willing, starting 20th January 2013, President Palin will redirect America on the right path.

And might I add that during the 2008 presidential campaign, the international newsmedia that did the most damage to both hillary and palin was the BBC. They had the most biased, skewed coverage I had ever witnessed.

God bless C4P for the great work. I'm now a satisfied palin supporter because of C4P.

narciso August 17, 2009 4:10 PM  

Ah, Conor (there is a pattern here, there was young Conor Friedersdorf, who Bob McCain and Dan Riehl, have pretty savagely pawned)Clarke, who's struck out three times, on issues of economics
takes solace from NR, (epic fail)
Why is it, Hillary can find that passion for a supposed slight, but
none on the record for the women of Iran, or the people of Honduras,
an area purportedly in her sphere of influence

jimr3 August 17, 2009 4:20 PM  

Hannity now talking about Sarah

juju August 17, 2009 4:33 PM  

James: I love that name. It is my husband's name and my brother's name.

Never, never feel that you don't express yourself well. Some times I do some times I don't. But, it all comes from the heart and that is what matters.

Regarding NRO...what else is new??
The Republicans always have to shoot themselves in the foot. It tells you a lot when they have to go negative against one of their own. Ohh...maybe I am wrong, Sarah isn't one of them. That may be the best news Sarah has heard in a long time. But, please NRO just keep your opinions to yourself, we conservatives are not interested. Just discuss your disgust with Palin at your next cocktail party.

john August 17, 2009 4:34 PM  

Prediction. NR will lose subscribers as it becomes more of a mouth piece for the Vichy GOP. (I love that phase.)

Lipstick August 17, 2009 4:51 PM  

James in Missouri:

Join us fellow mob members and post away my friend!

PEC August 17, 2009 4:53 PM  

Read on the Samp Fox and how closely he resembles Palin today with his tactics. Also notice the Elitist General Horatio Gates who had his head handed to him in Camden SC (Kathleen Parker Country) thought of Marion. Some things never change.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Marion

Syntax_Game August 17, 2009 4:54 PM  

I'm not sure why the NRO would waste their time. The Ex-governor has had her platform reduced to having a teen social network service as being her only platform. She obviously is not a threat and should be treated as such.

narciso August 17, 2009 4:56 PM  

Right this is even more genius from the NR shop, this time in the Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/13/opinion/13ponnuru.html?_r=3&oref=slogin

Doug Brady August 17, 2009 4:59 PM  

Great post Joshua. NRO really stepped in it this time. This has gone viral.

Suzi August 17, 2009 5:00 PM  

Palin-separating the wheat from the chaff.

I love it.

theantidrone August 17, 2009 5:04 PM  

Section9, "Vichy Republicans" couldn't be a more appropriate moniker! BTW, I've been subscribing to NR for roughly two decades now. All I read anymore is Rob Long's fictional dialogues and Mark Steyn. Goodbye NR.

Alexonian August 17, 2009 5:08 PM  

NRO still has some talented writers. Derb is a pleasure to read. Krikorian always has good data driven articles. Steyn is a fun read. McCarthy is pretty good with his takes too.

They are however more bit players, not editors.

johnmd August 17, 2009 5:22 PM  

This is why dems will win 2010 and 2012 elections. Even when we have some one in the spot light winning over Obama we still throw them to the wolves The Gop could have made real gains from Sarahs win by supporting and expanding it instead they still to destroy her.
God Help. Us

quick August 17, 2009 6:11 PM  

Interesting that Care and Compassion or whatever the Hemlock Society is now called, bragged on its blog about getting that death panel bit into legislation. See SeconDHANDSMOKE blog at First Things.

TommyReport August 17, 2009 6:46 PM  

By the way, check out the NRO Corner thread. Lowry is duking it out with McCarthy over death panels.

TommyReport August 17, 2009 6:46 PM  

Nazis Confused About Health Care
By Michael Goldfarb
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/08/nazis_confused_about_health_ca.asp

Greg Sargent reports:

A forthcoming poll by the nonpartisan Research 2000 for DailyKos finds that a majority of Republicans either believes, or isn’t sure about, the claim that the Dem health care proposal will create “death panels” to determine whether the sick or injured get health care depending on their “productivity in society.”

Assuming you put any stock in polls done by DailyKos, this is hardly a surprising result. The Democratic party spent the last three weeks calling anyone who opposed the current health insurance reform efforts a Nazi rather than trying to explain what was in the myriad proposals that have been working their way through Congressional committees. If the public — and Republicans in particular — don’t understand what’s in those bills, it’s because the Democrats have made no effort to elucidate the contents.

Also, the “death panel” provision has been dropped from the Senate’s version of the bill, which would seem to confirm the suspicions of those who had some concern about the proposal. It turns out that Palin can turn a phrase — death panels penetrated through the noise in a powerful way. And so did the Democrats’ messaging about Republicans being Nazis — except that turned out to be counterproductive and the White House has since shifted strategy. Again, if they’d spent the last few weeks explaining this very complicated legislation instead of smearing their political opponents, Republicans might know whether or not Obama wants to create death panels as part of his reform.

FeFe August 17, 2009 7:48 PM  

Some people simply can't take a compliment. Apparently NRO finds conservative compliments from Sarah Palin unbearable so I am not surprised they find it equally unsupportable to give one.

Dear NRO,

Don't project your ulterior motives. Grass-roots conservatives don't compliment conservative values to point out conservative weaknesses. It's about conservative strengths.

Sarah Palin's effort and commitment to limited government is praiseworthy. Be appreciative of the gift, and step away from the blue pill. It's a downer.

With homemade sign in hand to stop buying votes with taxpayer money,
-- No longer reading you

T. D. August 17, 2009 9:38 PM  

The sad thing about NR editors is that they think "death panels" is so far from reality that only a "leap across a logical canyon" could bring one to see "end of life" counseling used to urge the elderly, or their families or health providers if they are unable to make the choice themselves, to choose death for them over treatment.

But the real world example in Oregon is that cost cutting has encouraged death over treatment. The genuinely nice and caring folks at the Oregon Health Plan offered suicide assistance drugs for $50 when turning down a woman's request for $4,000/mo. treatment drugs. They were trying to be nice in giving the message that death is cheaper, simpler and the only option that Oregon had for her.

Fear of government "death panels" is not hysteria when a state health plan is already offering suicide drugs rather than costly treatment. NR may believe that the federal officials could never be as cost efficient as Oregon Health Plan officials, but the ball is in their court to prove that.

And it is amazing that a magazine with such high powered thinkers has not been able to effect a single change in either the House or Senate bills or the public debate, and yet a former governor got the Senate bill changed in less than a week and the national debate focused against the health care plan.

Those who believe in the free market lean toward the idea that short of the word of the Lord success is the best validator of ideas and actions. If nothing else, Palin's stunning success should give NR pause about what is and is not hysteria and a logical leap across a canyon.

jimr3 August 17, 2009 9:45 PM  

RAM or Mel,

You might want to consider updating this post with this American Thinker article by Rosslyn Smith.

"We can't spare this woman: she fights"

"Moe Lane at Red State channels Abraham Lincoln in succinctly stating the value of Sarah Palin to the future of the Republic. His headline to a summary of Andy McCarthy's dissent to the NRO editorial slamming Palin's "death panel" comment is..."

"Andrew McCarthy: I can't spare this woman. She fights."


"I think McCarthy's dissent is excellent, too."


"...Palin was right to argue her point aggressively. Largely because she did, a horrible provision is now out of this still horrible Obamacare proposal. To the contrary, if the argument had been made the way the editors counsel this morning, "end-of-life counseling" would still be in the bill. We might have impressed the Beltway with the high tone of our discourse and the suppleness of our reasoning, but we'd have lost the public."


"The entire Republican establishment has lost a large section of the public for some time now. The elected officials did it by refusing to limit spending. The pundit class has done it by has largely showing themselves to be both obsessed with style over substance and forever ceding the shape of the debate to the Democrats and the mainstream media. That's like playing Charlie Brown to Lucy, as it is proven that whenever it looks like conservatives have a winning argument, the Democrats and the media declare that attack off limits, unfair, racist, old news, etc., etc., etc., For an NRO editorial to dismiss the only politician who fights on despite taking hits because her highly effective arguments lack nuance is simply ridiculous. To score a debate that has brought out thousands of demonstrators all around the nation like they were members of the Potomac High School debate club makes the NRO editorial board look every bit as jejune as Barack Obama."

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/08/we_cant_spare_this_woman_she_f.html

Uffda August 17, 2009 9:54 PM  

Van Jones = Bottom-feeding scum. A guy in the administration trying to get a commentator kicked off tv. There's got to be some kind of rule against that kind of strong-arming. It's sick.

Uffda August 17, 2009 9:56 PM  

Obama is our Bully in Chief. Sarah's the only one willing to stand up to the Bully. Everyone else keeps hoping that if they're nice he won't beat them up. Not exactly the conservative approach to dealing with thugs.

AmeriCuda August 17, 2009 10:01 PM  

Thanks for the link jimr3!

AmeriCuda August 17, 2009 10:12 PM  

If the American Thinker/Rosslyn Smith article is the cake, the comments section is the frosting.

Now THAT's a conservative magazine.

Sapwolf August 17, 2009 10:25 PM  

"
Imagine, the entire Republican party decides to accept Sarah Palin as a serious candidate, they rally behind her, fiercely defend her every time she gets attacked, the power the long term momentum the Republican party would have would be unparalleled."

Excellent sentence.

Right on!

We have the candidate who can beat Obama and she is a conservative and libertarian.

All we have to do is back her, follow her, support her 100% and we win.

BUT, the GOP is not united and it is led by old white men who lack any leadership skills, and lack testicles.

"Vichy Republicans" - great term, let's use it.

Term for gutless GOP politician:

EUNUCH!

CharterOakie August 18, 2009 1:35 PM  

Sapwolf,
your post shouldn't be left unacknowledged and unacclaimed, even if a few hours late.

Well said!

Frumson Wooters August 18, 2009 2:57 PM  

Tim Pawlenty: A Harold Stassen in training.

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