Tuesday, December 1, 2009

Tuesday Open Thread



Hot Air: CBO: ObamaCare will drive insurance premiums higher

Washington Times: Health bills fail to block illegals from coverage

WSJ: Working Two Jobs and Still Underemployed

Bret Stephens: Climategate: Follow the Money

Glenn Reynolds: The Best and the Brightest: Harvard Ignored Warnings About Investments

The Economist: The global consequences of Dubai's debt problems

IBD: 10 Reasons Nuclear Iran Is No Joke

Toby Harnden: Will the true President Barack Obama stand up on Afghanistan?

VDH: We Ain't Seen Nothin’ Yet

114 comments:

JeanA,  December 1, 2009 8:04 AM  

Good Morning!

CruelaDev,  December 1, 2009 8:16 AM  

Play nice today kids!
Have a Great Day in the Neighborhood!

CharterOakie,  December 1, 2009 8:16 AM  

Good morning, intrepid barbarians.

May God continue to bless, protect and strengthen Sarah, her family, friends and aides.

Fabulous photo again -- thanks!

Kentucky Colonel,  December 1, 2009 8:17 AM  

I moved this post to the open thread.

<span>I've read many, many reviews of Going Rogue, but there is something that I've not seen written about this book.  If you're going to write a book and expect it to sell while telling your story, would you not write it in a way that would appeal to those who are actually going to buy it for the purpose of reading it?  I've read many critical reviews of the book, and it seems that 99% of them aren't really reviewing the book at all.  They are simply using the review as a platform to bash Sarah.  The book could be a combination of the Magna Carta, the Declaration of Independence, and the Canterbury Tales, and these reviewers would still use it to bash her.  
 
I found the book to be very entertaining while giving the reader an opportunity to understand how "Sarah ticks".  She wrote the book especially for me, an individual who believes that political intellectuals are nothing more than hacks who have discovered an easy way to make a living.  Give me one name of these self-avowed intellectuals who have actually accomplished something with their drivel.  Have they really accomplished anything by their inane ideological ramblings?  
 
In her book, Sarah gave us her policy positions by sharing her non-political and political experiences.  For us unsophistcated unwashed masses, she didn't need to say, "My policy positions are.....".  We get Sarah Palin.  She doesn't need to be professorial to explain herself.  We get it without the need for a lectern.   
 
She wrote the book for me.  She didn't write it for the David Frums, David Brooks, and Charles Krautmammers.  She wrote this book for you.  She didn't write it for the Katie Courics, Charlie Gibsons, and Brian Williamses.  She wrote it for all of us who use common-sense to get through our lives.  She didn't write if for all  those hate-mongering pundits and self-worshiping celebrities.   
 
She wrote this book for me and she did a fine, fine job.</span>

CruelaDev,  December 1, 2009 8:46 AM  

Ummm...we beat Mia...
Is she sleeping in today?
Slacker!

CharterOakie,  December 1, 2009 8:49 AM  

Yeah, where's Mia?
Of course, normally I'm surprised how early she logs on, given her Pacific time zone.

CharterOakie,  December 1, 2009 8:51 AM  

Absolutely agree, KC.

Bean Counter,  December 1, 2009 8:51 AM  

Good Morning America just did a piece on the private jet vs. the bus thing. First of all, it boggles the mind why this is even a story to begin with, but I must say, they did a very fair and balanced job. They said Harper Collins was paying for the jet, and that it was just used a few times for logistical reasons -- which begs the question yet again, why is this even news? Oh yeah, because it's Sarah Palin and we must not miss any opportunity to present her in an unflattering light. Just another example of the elite media goobers believing that we're so shallow that we'll drop our support for her over something as shocking as this!

Anybody with a kindergarten level understanding of marketing would know that using a private plane will allow more book events, which will sell more books, which will increase the author's and publisher's profits and therefore more than cover the transportation costs.

And, frankly, I respect Harper Collins for taking care of the Gov. and seeing to it that she has the opportunity to travel and rest in style during this tour. She is more than holding up her end of the bargain with the amazing work ethic she's demonstrated at these events. But when you love what you're doing, it's really not work.

CharterOakie,  December 1, 2009 9:00 AM  

Well stated on every point, Bean Counter!

NY59Giants,  December 1, 2009 9:02 AM  

The American Thinker has another post on Sarah for those interested.

Sarah and The Future

JeanA,  December 1, 2009 9:08 AM  

<p><span><span><span>In the book Sarah talks about the malfunction of the teleprompter at the convention. It happens before the pit-bull joke. She talked about how she gives the rest of the speech with ease without the teleprompter.<span>  </span>If you remember leading up to the convention the LSM started the meme about will Sarah make it to the convention?<span>  </span>The LSM was trying to get her off the ticket with the help of others.<span>  </span>I think the take down within the McCain campaign started at the convention.<span>  </span>The teleprompter was sabotaged on purpose in order to make Sarah look like a deer lost in headlights. Around 50 million or more watched that speech and if Sarah had pulled an Obama lost in the headlight stare it would have been over.  When you have the first woman VP on a Republican ticket the teleprompter doesn’t malfunction. When you have the First Republican VP woman making HISTORY the teleprompter doesn’t malfunction.<span>  </span>IT WAS SABOTAGE!<span>   </span>If Sarah hadn’t pulled off the teleprompter sabotage she probably would have been dropped from the ticket.

The speech Sarah gave that night was truly mesmerizing.<span>  </span>Fifty million + knew it and there was no way the LSM could spin it any other way.<span>  </span>Truly, truly mesmerizing.</span></span></span></p>

JeanA,  December 1, 2009 9:13 AM  

<span><span><span>In the book Sarah talks about the malfunction of the teleprompter at the convention. It happens before the pit-bull joke. She talked about how she gives the rest of the speech with ease without the teleprompter.<span>  </span>If you remember leading up to the convention the LSM started the meme about will Sarah make it to the convention?<span>  </span>The LSM was trying to get her off the ticket with the help of others.<span>  </span>I think the take down within the McCain campaign started at the convention.<span>  I think t</span>he teleprompter was sabotaged on purpose in order to make Sarah look like a deer lost in headlights. Around 50 million or more watched that speech and if Sarah had pulled an Obama lost in the headlight stare it would have been over.  When you have the first woman VP on a Republican ticket the teleprompter doesn’t malfunction. When you have the First Republican VP woman making HISTORY the teleprompter doesn’t malfunction.<span>  </span>IT WAS SABOTAGE!<span>   </span>If Sarah hadn’t pulled off the teleprompter sabotage she probably would have been dropped from the ticket.  
 
The speech Sarah gave that night was truly mesmerizing.<span>  </span>Fifty million + knew it and there was no way the LSM could spin it any other way.<span>  </span>Truly, truly mesmerizing.</span></span></span>

JeanA,  December 1, 2009 9:15 AM  

<span><span><span><span>In the book Sarah talks about the malfunction of the teleprompter at the convention. It happens before the pit-bull joke. She talked about how she gives the rest of the speech with ease without the teleprompter.<span>  </span>If you remember leading up to the convention the LSM started the meme about will Sarah make it to the convention?<span>  </span>The LSM was trying to get her off the ticket with the help of others.<span>  </span>I think the take down by some within the McCain camp started at the convention.<span>  I think t</span>he teleprompter was sabotaged on purpose in order to make Sarah look like a deer lost in headlights. Around 50 million or more watched that speech and if Sarah had pulled an Obama lost in the headlight stare it would have been over.  When you have the first woman VP on a Republican ticket the teleprompter doesn’t malfunction. When you have the First Republican VP woman making HISTORY the teleprompter doesn’t malfunction.<span>  </span>IT WAS SABOTAGE!<span>   </span>If Sarah hadn’t pulled off the teleprompter sabotage she probably would have been dropped from the ticket.    
   
The speech Sarah gave that night was truly mesmerizing.<span>  </span>Fifty million + knew it and there was no way the LSM could spin it any other way.<span>  </span>Truly, truly mesmerizing.</span></span></span></span>

LT,  December 1, 2009 9:25 AM  

I don't know if any of you have seen this but the WSJ's editorial board has a video discussing Sarah's future role in the GOP:
http://online.wsj.com/video/palin-relaunch/CB047F7B-0018-4C18-9018-9C3B1F0790C1.html

I can't access online video at work, but would love to hear how this discussion went...

techno,  December 1, 2009 9:40 AM  

Rasmussen daily tracking poll:

-13 (27-40) strongly approve-strongly disapprove

Obama gained 1 point

-5 (47-52) approve-disapprove

no change

AKReport,  December 1, 2009 9:53 AM  

Palin is in control of the message now. I hope she gives a few op-ed to the WSJ or Wash-post.

riley4palin,  December 1, 2009 9:55 AM  

Excellent points BC!

I might add that its a good thing that "Harper Collins Headquarters" is much more on top of difusing non-stories than the other "Headquarters" was a few months back.

riley4palin,  December 1, 2009 10:00 AM  

It did seem very strange that her Teleprompter "malfunctioned" didn't it?  She handled that hiccup with such professionalism and ease that noone even knew it.  A true leader right before our eyes.

Whitney,  December 1, 2009 10:06 AM  

Good morning!

techno,  December 1, 2009 10:15 AM  

Here is my take on the "political prospects of Mike Huckabee going forward" and the general implications for Sarah Palin and the GOP presidential race for 2012. Before entering these muddied waters however in my normal iconclastic way and to lay the foundation for my arguments here is an analysis of Huckabee by Joe Carter, a former aide to Huck briefly in the 2008 campaign as to why Huckabee may have 'caused' (my words) this situation to occur and to why he may have become so deeply involved in and now is in such "deep water" in respect to the issuance of clemencies, especially to Maurice Clemmons:

HUCKABEE AND THE LIMITS OF COMPASSION

"Initially, I chalked it up solely to political courage. Later, I tempered this view when I realized that his courage was mixed with a large dose of CLUELESSNESS. The governor seemed genuinely surprised that he was held responsible for the criminal acts committed by those whose sentences he had commuted as governor. It was as if he believed that simply having noble intentions and a willingness to make tough decisions would PROVIDE POLITICAL COVER. The notion that he should be accountable for future crimes committed by these men seemed AS FOREIGN TO HIM AS THE IDEA THAT HE SHOULD REFUSE ALL LENIENCY."

"His NAIVETE about how his actions would be judged was compounded by his own belief in the NOBLENESS of his motives. Huckabee was--and remains--a TRUE BELIEVER in the concept of RESTORATIVE JUSTICE. Like many politicians who latch onto ideas that SUPPORT THEIR WORLDVIEW, however, he was enthusiastic about the general theory while failing to grasp the NUANCES of its application."

"Judging from the records, the governor also seemed to put a lot of weight on CONVERSION STORIES--a common trait among evangelicals, who believe the gospel is sufficient for RESTORATION and REDEMPTION OF CHARACTER."

"Marc Ambinger wrote about the Dumond case in 2007: 'What Huckabee misjudged is his ability to judge the character of a convicted murderer and rapists...we're talking about criminology and psychology, domains that Huckabee had no expertise in, and domains that, arguably, politicians ought to keep at brain's length.'"

"Ironically, what makes Huckabee such an appealing Presidential candidate--his EMPATHY for all people and genuine belief in the individual--is also the trait that will prevent him from ever reaching the White House. His experiences and intutions that served him well as a minister of the gospel were not always applicable in of a governor of a state. The unfortunate reality is that for politicians, unlike pastors, THERE ARE LIMITS TO COMPASSION."

militantfeather,  December 1, 2009 10:28 AM  

Good article at The Washington Times on Sarah.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/dec/01/palins-power-popularity-stronger/

A couple of interesting comments by a analyst on how unfairly Sarah is treated based on the fact she is a legitimate political figure with significant support and we do happen to live in a democracy (I think!). Because Sarah is attacked so constantly, sometimes I forget how unfair that really really is, and that it is really saying much more about the media then Sarah herself. 


"Personally, I'm not sure she's ready to be president, but this is a person who has resonant voice for many Americans who are engaged in our political life and who deserve to have someone speaking for them," said Wilfred McClay, a professor at Pepperdine University's School of Public Policy.

"Anyone who tries to shut that down, particularly by a relentless campaign of personal abuse, is really an enemy of our political system," he said. "They are trying to suppress discourse at a time when we need more of it and not less."

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"You just have to be closed off to certain precincts of reality to think that her appeal is not real and genuine and something that politically speaking has to be respected," Mr. McClay added.
"I cannot understand the effort to sort of rule her as out of bounds for our political life. I haven't seen anything that she has done or said that has been remotely in the range of incivility that I see coming from the media that cover her. All this stuff about her being a cancer is preposterous."

riley4palin,  December 1, 2009 10:33 AM  

I 100% agree with Joe Carter.

P.S.  BOR was a pansy with Huck last evening.  Very disappointing.  It reminded me of some of the back and forth he does with Dennis Miller on occasion. 

Whitney,  December 1, 2009 10:50 AM  

Ok, on this whole plane story, once the tour is over, the LSM is going to have a new story. This story will criticize the Gov. for not putting the plane on Ebay after the tour.


I know, I know. Harper Collins is paying for the jet. However, if the LSM is going to put forth such trashy hit pieces, I might as well amuse myself and try to guess the next one.

Bill in Baltimore,  December 1, 2009 10:51 AM  

KC, you got game.

Now what about Mr. P and his team ???

yogi41,  December 1, 2009 10:55 AM  

Hmmmm, Jean, I honestly never considered that. Good point and good theory. After all that we've witnessed with Big Mac's team, I wouldn't put it past them.

Bill in Baltimore,  December 1, 2009 10:55 AM  

Alternative media, we have got to get people on this !

techno,  December 1, 2009 10:56 AM  

1) First let me deal with the poll numbers or raw data that provides an indicator of Huckabee's prospects for 2012 or his current popularity.

a) Since April 2009 PPP has labelled Huckabee (Huck)the frontrunner in 8 straight polls based on his head-to-head numbers against Obama.

b) I am not going to go into every aspect of the 8 polls but there are 4 ways you can look at Huck's poll numbers:
    1) Huck is indeed the front runner and his support is growing-8 straight months is impressive
    2) If Huck is doing so well in regular polls, why does he do so poorly with Internet polls that show him mostly near the bottom
   3) Despite Huck's frontrunner status if you observe the results of his F/UF in each category or demographic they are mostly down (eg Huck was at 48F in August with men and in Nov. it was 34F; Huck was also at 48F in August among indies and now he is at 32F and among whites he was at 50F in August and now he is at 41F). And Huck is sitting at 36/37 in his overall F/UF, not a glowing number for somebody supposedly leading the pack. Huck's F/UF in many categories were dropping off at least 45 days (Oct-Nov polls) before the world had even heard of Maurice Clemmons
  4) Chris Cillizza of the Daily Fix (WAPO) made a comment is his blog that nobody is the Beltway believes Huck's frontrunner status is for real

c) Other recently released national polls (Fox news/Rasmussen) before Clemmons have given Huck excellent overall F/UF numbers which go against PPP (FN:45/23; RASM:58/30) with Rasm. giving Huck a 80F among Republicans and a very favorable of 40% which go a ways to contradict my premise that Huck's F/UF may be dropping; also it shows in a head to head matchup against Obama it would be 45-41 Obama.

d) a recent Iowa poll showed Huck with a 70F with Republicans and a 54/22 F/UF overall while Palin's overall F/UF are 37/55.

e) the WAPO poll released two days ago shows Huck 2nd in the heart of minds of anybody Republican or leaning Republican (Palin 17%-Huck 10%) but trailing badly among women of this ilk (Palin 23%-Huck 6%)

In summary what these array of polls show before Maurice Clemmons (BMC) Huck was generally overall doing well in F/UF especially in his own party, including conservatives generally (66 F in PPP in Nov.) although it is obvious that Palin was coming on in the polls since the release of Going Rogue on Nov. 17th. Even if Clemmons had never happened I think we can all agree at C4P that Huck would had a major battle on his hands to stop Palin's momentum. But having said that the numbers reveal BMC that he was a major player in the GOP presidential sweepstakes.

yogi41,  December 1, 2009 10:58 AM  

Yes, he as soft, but remember, this was about rehabiliating a Fox News employee. I think they have orders from the top to do all they can to redeem Huck in order for him to keep his viewership up and eventually, keep his show. It was all about keeping the Fox brand untarnished. Did it work? Time will tell...

yogi41,  December 1, 2009 10:58 AM  

<span>Yes, he was soft, but remember, this was about rehabiliating a Fox News employee. I think they have orders from the top to do all they can to redeem Huck in order for him to keep his viewership up and eventually, keep his show. It was all about keeping the Fox brand untarnished. Did it work? Time will tell...</span>

Bill in Baltimore,  December 1, 2009 10:59 AM  

JeanA,

for a quick fix on the convention speech, I have created a "brain-friendly" text version (complete with pics for libs), that you can scan in 5 minutes or so, 10 minutes if you gaze on the moment.

Here is the link, scroll down a bit

Bill in Baltimore,  December 1, 2009 11:03 AM  

militant, thanks for posting, I get  the Wash Times most days, it's awesome.

Since the Joe Curl (?) hit piece right when the tour started ("diva", "vindictive", etc.), the coverage has been fair to positive.
- I gave them a piece of my mind when I saw Curl's article.

riley4palin,  December 1, 2009 11:05 AM  

Yogi:

I agree with you that BOR was trying to prop up Huck, but hiring Shep Smith and Geraldo already tarnished the Fox brand.

Coda,  December 1, 2009 11:06 AM  

ABC has pick up the story now. It a rehash of the eariler story. Over at Free Republic there are about 150 comments and all have the same theme,  who give a f about a plane v. bus travel.

For me when I see stories like this I just shake my head and LOL. Good work C4P for debunking the silliness.

Whitney,  December 1, 2009 11:08 AM  

Yeah, I don't care about these stories. They are ridiculous, which makes them amusing. :)

Bill in Baltimore,  December 1, 2009 11:12 AM  

Sarah knows human nature. As a paster, Huckabee should, but alas he doesn't.

Huck suffers from the same disease GW Bush suffered from - believing that the goodness of their heart would be reciprocated.

It's like buying a present for your wife because YOU like it - - - ooops.

Bill in Baltimore,  December 1, 2009 11:13 AM  

^^^ Joe Curl (?) led with the "victim" card.

riley4palin,  December 1, 2009 11:14 AM  

Huck will never recover from this Maurice Clemmons story, especially with women. 

If Huck runs, Governor Palin will remind everyone in the country that not only wasn't this the first time that Huck was soft on crime, but this decision showed complete lack of rational thought and leadership which resulted in true tragedy for those here to protect us.

manajordan,  December 1, 2009 11:15 AM  

My take on the whole Huckabee story is that it is an example of his Progressivism. Progressives had put it into the collective political mindset that the government is supposed to be compassionate and merciful. That thinking infects not just liberals, case in point compassionate conservativism (that term drives me bonkers). The governments job is law, and "law is reason free from passion", that includes compassion. Mercy belongs to the people. The more the government gets into the business of mercy the less merciful the people are towards one another, plus the more entitlements people get used to.
A government official is perfectly within their rights to be a compassionate person, in fact we hope that good moral people are in public service. But, government should not be used to mete out their compassion. A good case in point with this is Governor Palin's handling of food shortages in the Alaska native communities. She limited the governments involvement, but contributed her own time and money along with Samaritan's Purse. She is obviously compassionate, but did not improperly use government to mete it out, she did it as a caring person.
I've actually had experience doing service for our brothers and sisters in prison. I totally believe that they can be shown compassion, but it should not come from the government. The government, the law should provide them the opportunity to pay their debts. That way any rehabilitation can be more sincere.
Progressivism started out with the idea of compassion, and then the idea of using government to mete that out. From there its gone downhill to the left. Sorry for the ramble. Progressivism gets on my nerves.

Whitney,  December 1, 2009 11:20 AM  

Wow, that's extremely well said, manajordan. It's about individual compassion, not governmental compassion.

techno,  December 1, 2009 11:22 AM  

2) Now let me deal in political terms with the various groups impacted by Clemmons. I will later explain how they will be impacted but for now here are the various players:

a) individual evangelicals

b) potential donors to HuckPAC

c) Fox News

d) right-wing talk radio

e) Sarah Palin and the other GOP prospects for 2012

f) Obama and the Democrats

g) the media and their slant or take on Huck from this point forward

h) various right-wing groups (non-religious)

i) various religious Protestant groups

j)  Republicans/conservatives

k) GOP candidates seeking Huck's endorsement

l) his future paid speaking engagements

The question going forward among these various interests: Will Huck be embraced as warmly by these folks after Clemmons or will they avoid or shun him or even treat him like a pariah?

3) Now let me delve into Huck's main sources of support BMC:

 a) evangelical community/Protestants

This was a huge component of Huck's success and solid, seeing Huck as a former preacher as 'one of their own' who 'talks their language' or in terms of what they want to hear. If it were not for Sarah Palin, Huck would IMHO BMC would have had an easy road to the primaries and would have most certainly been one of the two finalists in the GOP sweepstakes.

b) conservatives

Not to such as extent as Palin because of Huck's perceived liberal approach to fiscal policy and the size of government. And although not discussed very often except by me I think misogyny has a lot to do with why some of these folks support Huck over Palin.

c) working-class folks

Huck's oratory and down-home appeal on Fox News really appeals to lower-income rural folks (Wal-Mart types) who go to church once a week 

d) Southerners

Huck was governor of Arkansas so he knows the Deep South like the back of his hand.

e) Folks that favor the Fair Tax

Kjanlady,  December 1, 2009 11:23 AM  

Good Morning Fellow Barbarians.  I didn't sleep late although I am getting a late start with my comments.  I was busy this morning preparing myself a breakfast feast, a thing I rarely do.  Usually, it's coffee and a muffin or bagel but this morning I felt like a treat so I had oatmeal, toasted blueberry bread and slices of orange.  Now I have mega energy for the day......ready to take on liberal loonies with a hopefully sharpened but at least a well fed wit.

Browsing the web I noted that Sara's friend, Robin of Berkeley has a new post ....Further Thoughts On 'The Wilding of Sarah Palin'. 

http://www.americanthinker.com/

Good thoughts offered by readers included.

And so, a new week of the Sarah Book Tour Saga begins, crowds gather, the lamestream media grits their fangs, and we at C4P await the emergence of more pictures, videos and stories that show the incredible love and support that Sarah generates all across this nation.

And...Obama...well his busy changing his depends and sweating yet another prime time speech that could further sink what support he has left...both on the right and the left.  Is his enormous ego quaking in fear and dread...anticipating that after his speech will follow the inevitable FACEBOOK post that highlights his lies and evasions so eloquently.  Strength...either of conviction or principles...is not in his resume.

An interesting poll on AOL:

Will you watch Obama's speech tonight?  No...61%...Yes...29%...Not sure...10%   Votes: 1456

Losing credibility? 

Brrrr....it's chilly today....sure am missing that global warming that the looney liberals keep promising.

Bean Counter,  December 1, 2009 11:30 AM  

Ding, ding, ding  . . . ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner! manajordan, this is the best analysis of this issue that I've seen. Bravo!

CharterOakie,  December 1, 2009 11:39 AM  

JeanneA - I had the same thought when I read that part in GR.  It's plausible that it was deliberate. 
However, I would add that Sarah did not dwell on the teleprompter malfunction or brag about her ability to carry on with the speech.  As I recall, she simply writes, almost in passing, that she knew the speech well enough to continue without the teleprompter.  What she emphasizes instead during that passage in the book is the emotional challenge for her in handling the part of the speech dealing with McCain as a POW and his fellow POW Tom Moe from Lancaster, OH (I will refrain from revealing the surprise tidbit mentioned in GR about that part). 

Goes to show:  Sarah is moved by the sacrifice and heroism of the men and women in the U.S. armed forces; that comes out time and again.  She's not a self-promoter or egotistical as some have charged.

Sarah delivered a speech for the ages that night, without the teleprompter working properly, and there is no denying it.

riley4palin,  December 1, 2009 11:39 AM  

Excellent points MJ!

The more I think about this whole Huck/Clemmons story, the more Huck reminds me of Bill Clinton.

Like Clinton, Huck is the consumate politician who always smiles, and speaks soft and smoothly so that everyone can believe he is just a gosh darn good guy from the South who is just trying to show true compassion for everyone.  In their minds, they think that is just enough to be likable and trustworthy and win people over.

The problem with that theory is what you stated above.  Liberals are all about emotion and their brains are not wired right if they want to be the leader of the Free World. 

A true leader like Governor Palin can show true compassion to all (within reason), but she demonstrates everyday that her rational thought and objectivity is what guides her to make sound decisions.

techno,  December 1, 2009 11:53 AM  

4) Now with 2 and 3 in mind let's get down to the nitty gritty about the impact politically Clemmons will have on these various groups as it applies strictly to Huck. Later I will discuss how it affects the other candidates and Sarah Palin

a) evangelicals and Protestant religious groups

Go back and read what Joe Carter has to say about evangelicals and what importance they place on the concepts of REDEMPTION and RESTORATION. I would suspect a majority of evangelicals will stay loyal to Huck despite Clemmons because of their own personal religious beliefs in this area. I know it this might be a bone of contention among the ordinary barbarians because they also believe 'in an eye for an eye' and deserved punishment but remember Huck is one of their own and by releasing Clemmons he was again actually validating the tenets of their belief system.

b) in terms of votes I think Huck will be hurt by traditional conservatives abandoning him for Palin (law and order) or Romney (fiscal moderates/big govt types); the misogyny issue may be difficult for Palin to overcome but IMHO if she comes across as 'an alpha male" when it comes to law and order and crime and punishment I think she will be able to co-opt some of those folks who would not vote for her because she is a woman because of their disdain for Huck 'behaving poorly as a man'.

c) Huck was quite correct that he needs the GOP establishment on board with his candidacy if he is to prevail. The Clemmons' episode makes it more unlikely they will 'give Huck a pass' and even if Romney falters they will look to new blood like Pawlenty, Thune, Barbour, etc.

d) I expect Huck will find it more difficult to raise funds if he still intends to run, not so much because of the actual disdain for his decision but the PERCEPTION among many that there is massive disdain throughout the land among the base (especially Palin supporters) and that probably makes Huck unelectable as he would need Palin supporters not only to gain the nomination but also win the general election.

e) Even though Huck has his gig at Fox News it will not be able to shield him from how much he is now despised among right-wing talk radio. And his presence every weekend on Fox may backfire in terms of keeping him in the public eye and actually intensify the disdain for him and cause folks not to forget Clemmons

f) I just don't think as many secular groups are going to ask Huck to speak to them for a fee. He will still be in demand among Protestant groups and their various non-profit branches but I can't see him now breaking through among Republicans who are more secular or don't pay as much attention to social issues

g) And finally I don't think many GOP congressional candidates are going to be knocking at Huck's door for an endorsement after Clemmons. It would be so easy to be tarred with Huck's brush in the GOP primaries or the general election by your opponent making the claim you are soft on crime or criminals.

In general Clemmons will IMHO not hurt Huckabee substantially with his religious base but will prevent him from breaking into the GOP establishment and gaining favor with secular types and the NE elites. If there is one primary reason why Huck will not run in 2012 this is it. Huck, as he stated on Fox News Sunday cannot win the nomination or general election without a breakthrough in this area.

Denise J,  December 1, 2009 11:54 AM  

I like your approach. Yes, I felt that she did write it for me. I am more engaaged than ever, but the best part is the Governor helped me understand her process of governoring and how straight forward the process can be when a leader is truthful and working on behalf of the people -- not for their own aggrandizement.

It doesn't take a Harvard or Yale grad, who has no practical wisdom, to govern, though many espouse this notion.

What I comprehend from the book is that it takes an individual with uncompromising convictions and principles who believes in them and this great country; and who is willing to articulate those convictions and principles in clear and certain language, unashbashedly

With all the bashing of Governor Palin with made-up complaints, the one thing that has not been done nor will it need to be done or said: a group of the critics puzzling over what she meant by "so & so." She says exactly what she intends you to get. Plain. Direct. Clear.

And that is how she wrote the book.

lmg,  December 1, 2009 12:00 PM  

There must be some overlap between Sarah's admirers and Rush Limbaugh listeners. Rush, who owns a private jet, and one much more expensive than the one Harper Collins is renting for Sarah's occasional use on this trip. I don't see how this "story" is going to turn off anyone who already supports Sarah Palin.

Why don't they try reviewing the book instead? And maybe cap that poison ink well during the Christmas season?

Kjanlady,  December 1, 2009 12:05 PM  

Well said....sounds like common sense conservatism to me.

manajordan,  December 1, 2009 12:07 PM  

Thanks guys.

lmg,  December 1, 2009 12:07 PM  

As I recall, that TelePrompter malfunctioned for several speakers, not just Sarah. It was a problem all through the convention.

But she had the text as backup, and had practiced it enough that she knew it well. She frequently gives speeches just from notes, without a text. Obama could not have pulled that off.

techno,  December 1, 2009 12:07 PM  

5) Now let me discuss the impact Clemmons will have on Obama and the state-run media. BMC, the perception abounded from a leaked Democratic memo about a year ago that Huckabee would be an ideal candidate for Obama to run against in 2012 and that any criticism of Huck should be avoided. Thus Obama in attacking Fox News a couple of months ago conveniently did not include any mention of Huck in his tirade against Fox News being biased, even though Huck was touted by PPP as the frontrunner for the GOP nomination in 2012 and thus a threat to take Obama's job away from him.

Now Clemmons has thrown the Democrat strategy for a loop. The Dems are nefarious but they are not stupid. They know that Huck has been damaged, perhaps mortally. The ideal scenario would be for Huck to have split the evangelical vote with Palin so either Palin was not seen as viable and perhaps would not run or that Romney could come up the middle in the primaries.

Obama has had a bad two weeks. He didn't need this to happen as well. The Obama war room now has to go back to square one on how to stop Palin. And IMHO the strategy will not be founded on fully backing Romney candidacy unless it is the last resort. This is only a gut feeling but I believe the Dems fully realize that Romney has also been damaged-in his case Romneycare-and that his low standing among Republicans and conservatives give him no shot whatsoever against the Palin steamroller who will corner perhaps 85%-90% of the base with Huck damaged.

So what they are left with is a dark horse. But the problem with that strategy, what happens if all the auditions for American idol prove to be duds? What if the GOP bullpen cannot perform up to snuff? What do you do then?

I guess that's why Axelrod and Emmanuel get the big bucks.

techno,  December 1, 2009 12:18 PM  

6) So if Huck is damaged beyond repair (when he figures he cannot win) what does he do? Here are some scenarios:

a) Disband HuckPAC and do nothing politically and focus on his Fox gig and public speaking engagements and resign himself to the fact he will never be POTUS and stay out of the 2012 primaries completely

b) Contact Romney, Pawlenty or Gingrich and offer to help them get elected by endorsing one of them and advising his supporters to transfer their loyalty to his endorsement. Of course there would be a quid pro quo.

c) Contact Sarah Palin and offer to help her solidify the religious right and throw his supporters to her, virtually assuring her the nomination again for a quid pro quo

I think in conclusion that if this scenario unfolds and the Sarah Palin express continues to pick up momentum Huck will opt to go with Sarah. If Sarah falters then he may swallow his pride and give Mitt a leg up.

Of course Huckabee may become stubborn and decide to run anyway come hell or high water. Stranger things have been known to happen in politics.

techno,  December 1, 2009 12:29 PM  

7) Pawlenty and other 'dark horses'

BMC, Huck was perceived by me and many others as part of the Big 3 that would be fighting tooth and nail over the next 2 years to gain the nomination. The recent Rasmussen is living proof that BMC they were all in the game. Clemmons allows a dark horse to emerge but that dark horse has to have an appeal with the religious right to be the most effective. Pawlently, IMHO does have an opportunity now to build bridges to Huck's evangelical support and would because of his working-man roots could appeal to lower income Huck supporters as well. I would not be surprised by next spring that Tim might be average may be commanding as much as 10%-15% of the vote and much of that would be taken from Huck. Having said that if Tim proves not to be up for the task, other entrants become quite possible. On C4P what we always have to be cognizant of is that although we love Sarah Palin there are tens of thousands of people on our side of the aisle who hate her guts or have no use for her. And with Mitt not polling well in the base, especially evangelicals, I can see an 'anybody but Palin' elitist. establishment faction arising, beating the bushes nationwide continually over the next year for a worthy candidate to beat her.

hrh,  December 1, 2009 12:31 PM  

Actually, just the opposite IMO.

If the Fox Brand is "fair and balanced" than propping up a huge faux pas by one of their broadcasters is a cover-up and not fair and balanced.

This does NOT help their claim to be fair and balanced. This is the same as the MSM or LSM or fringe or state-run or whatever you call them, constantly covering for BO or Biden or Gore.

jimr3,  December 1, 2009 12:41 PM  

<p><span><span> </span></span>
</p><p><span>Joe <span>Scarborough</span> on Morning Joe:<span>  </span>“I don’t see how in a conservative / republican primary in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, especially, how Mike Huckabee survives politically”.</span>
</p><p><span>Via Erick Erickson @ Red State:</span>
<span>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/12/01/1033-pardons-and-commutations-including-for-12-convicted-murderers/</span></p>

techno,  December 1, 2009 12:42 PM  

8) Now to Romney:

Unfortunately for Mitt he has an 'evangelical problem' which was pointed out by David Frum which I seldom make mention. But Frum is dead on and as we all might know this was evident in the 2008 primaries. However if Huck falters Mitt will pick up some of Huck's supporters who are simply anti-Palin or anti-woman.

But more importantly for Mitt it presents two scenarios that will probably cause him to lose. If Huck's departure causes the perception to arise and linger that it is now a Big 2 race (Mitt vs Sarah) he will lose and if a right-of-center dark horse comes in it is likely the he/she will take away just as many votes from him as he/she would be able to grab from Huck. Mitt thus would be diminished and lose in a three way race where he is trailing badly as #3. Mitt needs Huck to stay in the contest so that his evangelical support does not bleed over to Sarah.

In conclusion Clemmons is not good news for Mitt.

jimr3,  December 1, 2009 12:42 PM  

<span>Joe <span>Scarborough</span> on Morning Joe:<span>  </span>“I don’t see how in a conservative / republican primary in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, especially, how Mike Huckabee survives politically”.</span>  
<span>Via Erick Erickson @ Red State:</span>  
<span><span>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/12/01/1033-pardons-and-commutations-including-for-12-convicted-murderers/</span></span>

TexMex,  December 1, 2009 12:43 PM  

It snowed in Texas...really...so global warming can kiss my cold texan butt!

PEC,  December 1, 2009 12:47 PM  

Bingo.  Separate the Government from the people.  Government gives clear laws not compassion. 

hrh,  December 1, 2009 12:52 PM  

Absolutely, government's job is to protect the citizens, not perfect the citizens. Conservatives get that.

Liberals think it's just the opposite: government's job is to perfect the citizen's not to protect the citizens. Hence BO endangering us more and more by the hour. :(

Especially after tonight's kowtowing affair ...

Good think I'll be at my district's tea party meeting so I don't have to listen. :)

techno,  December 1, 2009 1:05 PM  

9) And now to Sarah Palin:

Somebody referred to Sarah as having the right karma or the stars must be aligned in respect to Sanford being knocked out because of his Argentian fling, Jindals' poor performance in his rebuttal to the SOTU, Gingrich becoming an anathema to the base because of his support for Dede, Pawlenty's embrace of the global warming hoax blowing up in his face, Mitt polling low among the base because of Romneycare and now Huck's 2012 candidacy being placed in serious jeopardy by Maurice Clemmons. Has Sarah cast a magic spell on all her possible contenders? Just joking!

Honestly, I think Sarah's momentum would have taken her to outright frontrunner status without Clemmons but with Clemmons and her position on clemency and pardons impeccable (in yesterday's open thread) it allows Palin to reel in many religious folks who in polls give Sarah high F but either support Huck, do not see her as qualified or simply have a huge problem with Sarah resigning from office. The huge advantage is that Mitt is not going to attract these folks (Frum column). But Palin knows she must secure them before a dark horse comes into the proceedings and gains traction. Thus I foresee a huge effort on her part in the next 90 days to direct her efforts to Huck's evangelical supporters, especially in Iowa. She knows she won't get them all but she also knows she can get the backing of at least 50% of them if she works at it and sends signals to them that she would be happy to have these folks aboard. What is also helping Sarah now is the Going Rogue Tour and the series of interviews she held after the release of Going Rogue. Even before Clemmons I could envision some soft Huckabee supporters resolving to go over to Sarah if Huck faltered. Now they have no excuse not to go over. For committed Huck supporters I think if they do not want to commit to her I think she will at least be able to get them to consider her seriously as we approach the 2010 midterms-in other words these folks will not go to a dark horse unless Sarah really bombs out. They just need a little more convincing that Sarah is viable and worthy-the LEGITIMACY argument.

But where I think a huge boon to Sarah will come from henceforth is among independents/tea partiers who now are looking for the best horse to back to take out Obama in 2012. As many have now concluded "Huck is toast." And right now indies are definitely not sold on Mitt or a GOP dark horse. If the perception grows in 2010 among indies that it is inevitable that Sarah will face Obama in 2012, Sarah could easily lock up the nomination early which would be the Messiah's worst fear. 

Huck's potential demise accrues to Palin's benefit. I am not into schadenfreude but it is what it is.

techno,  December 1, 2009 1:20 PM  

10) Let me return to the commentary by Joe Carter when he references Huck's religious convictions. This is an interesting take in that it reveals why so many secular folks have problems with so-called 'religious candidates' holding high public office, that they will allow their religious values or scruples to interfere with a rational administration of government or  use their "religious" judgment or make decisions that frankly have little basis in logic or commonsense. To most people on our side that operate in the world of prudence and rationality, the decision to grant Clemmons' clemency makes was ridiculous and absolutely made no sense. 

This secular opinion of 'the religious right' by many moderates and independents, IMHO is one idea that Sarah must disabuse when it comes to her own judgment and decision-making process.

This will not be a huge factor in gaining the GOP nomination but in terms of the general election this issue could decide the election. Obama and the Dems will try to portray Palin as right-wing extremist religious lunatic who wants to impose her religious ideas on America, turn America into a theocracy and convince all Americans in heavy-handed way to say hallejuah when they rise and before they go to bed. IMHO, Palin must separate herself from the "Huckabee approach" of governing with empathy and emphasize her steadfast loyalty to the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence and the Federalist papers in her approach of governance and not allowing her 'religious viewpoints' to interfere with commonsense conservatism.

riley4palin,  December 1, 2009 1:26 PM  

HRH:

Good point!

I think you should send an email to BOR and see if it gets aired. 

I called him a pansy so that would put me in the Pinhead category. 

riley4palin,  December 1, 2009 1:30 PM  

That does it.  If Scarborough says so, it must be true.  Thank you Joe for giving us your opinion.  Now go back to regular programming of kissing Robert Gibb's butt and ranting and raving about Tim Tebow.

Sapwolf,  December 1, 2009 1:39 PM  

Like when Homer Simpson bought that bowling ball for Marge, knowing she wouldn't use it.  Then Marge went rogue, started bowling regularly and then met the sauve sophisticated French bowler which put their normally solid marriage at risk.

Huckabee is .....HOMER.

Sapwolf,  December 1, 2009 1:47 PM  

Huckabee's fall has proven the failure and bankrupt philosophy of using government to help your own ego.  Ultimately, this was the sin of pride by Huckabee, thinking like God, he could forgive people (even though he was NOT the victim of these people).  He wanted to be God-like.

Remember, the FORBIDDEN FRUIT of envy and pride comes in a dazzling array of flavors, textures, colors, and weights.  Christ didn't call HIM the father of lies for nothing.

Sapwolf,  December 1, 2009 1:48 PM  

Yep.  She is definitely wiser beyond her years.  POTD

Don't let it puff you up though too much, since humble wisdon can become blind pride in seconds.

Bill in Baltimore,  December 1, 2009 2:02 PM  

Huckabee sticks a fork in - - - himself

"Huckabee defended his choice to grant the Arkansas felon clemency by insisting that Clemmons original sentence went too far.


“If he were a white kid from an upper middle class family he would have gotten a lawyer and some counseling,” Huckabee said. “But because he was a young black kid he got 108 years.”


Huckabee said the sentence was “far disproportionate from any other punishment in Arkansas at the time for a similar crime.”


“It’s a lot easier to be a pundit or a commentator or a blogger than to govern the state and have to make tough decisions,” he said. “People are talking about this from a political standpoint, but what they need to be asking is how did the system break down?”

He actually said: "what they need to be asking is where did the system break down ?"
- uh, maybe IN THE MIRROR, you sch-moron.

jimr3,  December 1, 2009 2:03 PM  

<p><span><span>Pawlenty can't resist kicking Huckabee's coffin</span></span>
</p><p><span>Pawlenty appeared on Laura Ingraham's show Monday. When he was asked about Huckabee, T-Paw drew a sharp line of distinction to let everybody know he never pardoned any cop-killers--or anybody else for that matter--when she pressed if he would have pulled a Huckabee.<span>  </span>"No, on those facts, no I would not," T-Paw batted the softball. "And in Minnesota I don't think I've ever voted for clemency. We've given out pardons for things after everybody has served their term, but gaain usually for more minor offenses, but clemency certainly not or commutation of sentence certainly not."</span>
</p><p><span><span> </span></span>
<span>Pawlenty, the political opportunist - but I do find the headline of the article funny. </span></p>

techno,  December 1, 2009 2:06 PM  

As I predicted, politically speaking Pawlenty sees Huckabee as extremely vulnerable now and senses there may be an opeing for his campaign to gain traction if he proselytize some of Huck's evangelical supporters.

riley4palin,  December 1, 2009 2:27 PM  

Earth to Huck:

I am a commentator.  I am an American and I also VOTE for who I find to be fit to the the President of the United States.  Stop your condescendation, playing the victim, and man up for God's sake.  This is utterly pathetic.

riley4palin,  December 1, 2009 2:30 PM  

If the roles were reversed, I bet you $1,000 that Huck would be kicking Pawlenty's coffin and throwing dirt on it, but in his case he would claim God told him to do it to help him repent for his sins.

techno,  December 1, 2009 2:49 PM  

Rasmussen generic congressional ballot:

GOP:                 44% (44)

Dems:               37% (37)

NB: indies favor the GOP 43% to 24%.

techno,  December 1, 2009 2:57 PM  

Here is some interesting data from PPP on Sarah Palin's numbers in spite of their obvious attempt to diminish her influence. In other words Palinistas are smart enough to read between the lines:

Standing currently among specific groups in comparison to July:
                        JULY               NOW
CONS DEMS       47%               52%
INDEP CONS      65%               84%  
CONS REP         81%               87%
MOD REP           64%              57% 
MOD INDIES      32%              19%

jimr3,  December 1, 2009 2:58 PM  

<p><span>Their freaking out folks - check out the fund raising letter by James Carville</span>
</p><p><span>Via K-Lo @ NRO</span>
</p><p><span>Don't let Sarah Palin's "Going Rogue" traveling circus become the thing that kills health insurance reform.
She says that health care reformis "downright evil." <span>She says that President Obama is trying to create "death panels." She even says that she hopes health care reform will be "dead on arrival."</span>
Palin, Limbaugh, Beck, and their 'tea-party' worshipers have cranked it up a notch. And now, her "Going Rogue" piece of fiction is selling like gangbusters - and it's up to us to give it a proper response. The media is closely watching to see how grassroots Democrats respond to Palin's attacks.
That's why we have <span><span>extended the deadline</span></span> to try to raise just $10,000 more for our Emergency Health Care Rapid Response Fund until </span><span>Midnight Tonight, and if you give before the deadline, a group of democratic donors will now match your gift dollar-for-dollar.</span>
<span><span>This month, <span>National Republicans started raising millions to target 24 Democrats who voted 'yes' on heath insurance reform</span> with a lie-riddled ad campaign called 'reverse the vote' to try and pressure them into changing their votes. We need to show these courageous Democrats that we have their backs.
<span>Contribute $5, $10 or more today to help us raise just $10,000 more before Midnight Tonight for our Emergency Health Care Rapid Response Fund and your gift will be MATCHED DOLLAR-FOR-DOLLAR!</span>
The world is watching to see how we respond - <span><span>but we only have until Midnight Tonight</span></span><span>.</span></span></span>
</p><p><span><span> http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MTIyNmE1YTRmNWY0OWUzOGNhYmMwZjVkYTdlMmU3ZmE=</span></span>
<span>I guess James didn’t get the memo that Going Rogue has gone <span>platinum</span>.<span>  </span>Not to shabby for a “three ring circus”.<span>  </span>He may want to consider extending that deadline well beyond midnight.</span></p>

jimr3,  December 1, 2009 3:00 PM  

<p><span>Their freaking out folks - check out the fund raising letter by James Carville</span>
</p><p><span>Via K-Lo @ NRO:</span>
</p><p><span>Don't let Sarah Palin's "Going Rogue" traveling circus become the thing that kills health insurance reform.
She says that health care reformis "downright evil." <span>She says that President Obama is trying to create "death panels." She even says that she hopes health care reform will be "dead on arrival."</span>
Palin, Limbaugh, Beck, and their 'tea-party' worshipers have cranked it up a notch. And now, her "Going Rogue" piece of fiction is selling like gangbusters - and it's up to us to give it a proper response. The media is closely watching to see how grassroots Democrats respond to Palin's attacks.
That's why we have <span><span>extended the deadline</span></span> to try to raise just $10,000 more for our Emergency Health Care Rapid Response Fund until </span><span>Midnight Tonight, and if you give before the deadline, a group of democratic donors will now match your gift dollar-for-dollar.</span>
<span><span>This month, <span>National Republicans started raising millions to target 24 Democrats who voted 'yes' on heath insurance reform</span> with a lie-riddled ad campaign called 'reverse the vote' to try and pressure them into changing their votes. We need to show these courageous Democrats that we have their backs.
<span>Contribute $5, $10 or more today to help us raise just $10,000 more before Midnight Tonight for our Emergency Health Care Rapid Response Fund and your gift will be MATCHED DOLLAR-FOR-DOLLAR!</span>
The world is watching to see how we respond - <span><span>but we only have until Midnight Tonight</span></span><span>.</span></span></span>
</p><p><span><span> http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MTIyNmE1YTRmNWY0OWUzOGNhYmMwZjVkYTdlMmU3ZmE=</span></span>
<span>I guess James didn’t get the memo that Going Rogue has gone <span>platinum</span>.<span>  </span>Not to shabby for a “three ring circus”.<span>  </span>He may want to consider extending that deadline well beyond midnight.</span></p>

techno,  December 1, 2009 3:03 PM  

Here is what PPP says on Twitter:

"Bottom line on Palin contunues to be: well positioned to win the GOP nomination, but not the general."

Folks again ad nauseam let me revert to a football analogy. The NE Patriots lost last night; their record is now 7-4. It appears now they will make the playoffs as a 3rd or 4th seed. Their is goal at this moment is to make it the AFC Championship game; the winner of that game goes to the SB.

So what PPP is saying that SP has a good chance to go to the SB but not win it. Hey, I'll take those odds any day of the week. Before you can win the SB you have to qualify to play in it first! 

Bill in Baltimore,  December 1, 2009 3:14 PM  

keep talking, James, just keep on talking . . .

techno,  December 1, 2009 3:15 PM  

Folks, examine these numbers:

87% with conservative Republicans; 84% with independent conservatives; 57% with moderate Republicans

Think 2012 GOP primaries: Do you think that Sarah Palin has a decent chance to be the GOP nominee and do you really believe that she is not going to run with these kinds of numbers?

techno,  December 1, 2009 3:17 PM  

I thought the Dems never thought about her for a second. My, my!

Did they also read what I just posted?

jimr3,  December 1, 2009 3:17 PM  

Oh for crying out loud, Hannity is now covering for Huckabee's commutation on his radio program right now.  Huckabee to be on as a guest in a few minutes.   

techno,  December 1, 2009 3:22 PM  

I know. Boy, Huckabee must be making Fox some serious coin proven in Fox's efforts to circle the wagons for him.

I have always thought that Fox does not want Sarah to gain the GOP nomination. They need Huckabee to remain viable to split the vote and hand the nomination to Romney or maybe Pawlenty.

jimr3,  December 1, 2009 3:22 PM  

<span>I guess all the Fox News personalities are going to close ranks around the bleeding heart bass player - big mistake by Fox IMO.<span>  </span><span> </span></span>

riley4palin,  December 1, 2009 3:25 PM  

"Headquarters" says it would be a disaster.

Therefore, I am 100% certain she is running for POTUS.

AmeriCuda,  December 1, 2009 3:29 PM  

Awesome

jimr3,  December 1, 2009 3:32 PM  

<span>Yea, I think your right about FOX not wanting Sarah to gain the nomination. And according to Ramesh Ponnuru and Marc Ambinder today, they both think that Romney needs Huckabee to stay strong in Iowa so that he has an excuse for not trying to win the state's caucuses.</span>
<span>http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MjczMGI0NGJjOTQ0MWI3Njg4NzljZTJlY2MwZDgyMDk=</span>

riley4palin,  December 1, 2009 3:32 PM  

I think Mary Matlin needs to put James in Time Out for 6 months and then lock him in the basement for the next 20 years.

riley4palin,  December 1, 2009 3:38 PM  

Not surprising about Hannity.   Pansy, just like BOR.

Hannity might as well change his mantra of "I'm a Conservative, not a Republican" to "I would be a great Defense Attorney.  Nicolle Wallace and Huck are my first two clients."

techno,  December 1, 2009 3:42 PM  

I may be an iconclast but I am not genius. Look at Mitt's numbers. Mitt needs Huck to stay in and remain viable so that Huck beats up Palin to the point he can squeak out a narrow victory in Iowa.

Look at the above PPP favorables. I don't think so Mitt.

cookboy,  December 1, 2009 4:06 PM  

If you think it through, gov't isn't used to mete out compassion, gov't is used to COMPEL you, and me, and everyone else to mete out compassion. Which isn't compassion at all. It's delivery of booty in order to establish an addiction to said handouts of booty.

alwaysfiredup,  December 1, 2009 4:09 PM  

Yay Salina Chamber of Commerce!

I got an email today granting me my tickets to see the 'Cuda in February.  I may try to get my book signed then, too. Woot! Anyone else going?

alwaysfiredup,  December 1, 2009 4:11 PM  

I'm not terribly happy that her numbers among moderate repubs and indies are declining, though.

techno,  December 1, 2009 4:12 PM  

Recent Intrade data:

Huckabee's Intrade numbers which had been around 13 have now dropped down to single digits.

Sarah still in second place at around 20.5. Romney first at 24.0.

techno,  December 1, 2009 4:14 PM  

Hey, 3 out 5 isn't bad. And a 57% F with moderate Republicans I can live with.

cookboy,  December 1, 2009 4:21 PM  

Protect the rights of citizens.

cookboy,  December 1, 2009 4:22 PM  

Without stopping to think that forgiveness and commutation of sentence are two different things.

cookboy,  December 1, 2009 4:24 PM  

The manning up thing requires a set. Ask the Dude!

cookboy,  December 1, 2009 4:25 PM  

He's lame.

riley4palin,  December 1, 2009 4:31 PM  

Ouch...that's gonna leave a mark on poor HuckaWeep.

FredHeadBill,  December 1, 2009 4:36 PM  

I'm going to just jump in feet first. I believe Governor Palin possesses many Charismatic or Spiritual gifts. But discernment is valuable asset to have; some will say if she had discernment she wouldn't have spoke to the fake French Prime Minister or the fake canadian conservative, but did that hurt anyone. 
But discernment to pass the clemency of a criminal by his or her victims first is beyond wise. It's almost like King Solomon decision to divide the baby, knowing the real mother would rather lose the case before the King than have her baby die.

"Discernment means to be able to distinguish between right and wrong, good and evil. It is having a logical, judicial ability to think through issues...There is an ability to “read between the lines” and get to the truth of an issue. The“gut” tells them when something doesn’t seem to be right. There is an urgency to pray and ask for wisdom." I believe that our Governor Palin is blessed with this gift.

jimr3,  December 1, 2009 4:37 PM  

<span>Is it possible that her decline with moderate Democrats and Independents is more a result of some of these people shifting from moderate to more conservative leaning? <span> </span>If I’m not mistaken, the country has grown more conservative in its thinking over the last several months.<span>  </span></span>

techno,  December 1, 2009 4:51 PM  

CNN just quoted Michele Malkin on her assessment of Huckabee.

The full moon strikes again.

techno,  December 1, 2009 4:53 PM  

Boy, Paul Begala even dumps on Huckabee. The Dems can't use him anymore. Throw him under the bus.

jimr3,  December 1, 2009 5:01 PM  

<p><span>Jim Geraghty @ National Review Online slams the lid shut on Huckabee’s 2012 chances. </span>
</p><p><span>FTA article in part:</span>
</p><p><span>But two decisions by Huckabee since the shooting have effectively crushed what chance he had at the 2012 nomination. When Clemmons murdered four policemen, there wasn't much to say; while obviously Huckabee had no idea that Clemmons was so dangerous, Huckabee's hand in putting him back on the street represented an awful lapse in judgment.</span>
</p><p><span>{…}</span>
<span>Today Huckabee went on Joe Scarborough's radio show, and finally used strong language - not to criticize his earlier decision, but to <span>denounce critics of the decision</span> as "disgusting" and <span>lamenting</span> "how sick our society has become that people are more concerned about a campaign three years from now than those grieving families in Washington." It takes a particular bravado for a man in Huckabee's circumstances to contend that his critics are the ones who should hang their heads in shame; some people might find letting violent criminals go free early out of a misguided sense that they've changed their ways a clearer reflection of a sick society. <span>Click here to read the rest.</span></span></p>

PatrickinOH,  December 1, 2009 5:21 PM  

Hello everyone, does anybody know about Sarah's appearance at the College of the Ozarks tomorrow?

Mia,  December 1, 2009 7:11 PM  

It's a secret... ;)

AmeriCuda,  December 1, 2009 7:19 PM  

<span>
<p>A person has to have special ingredients to win nationally. (Palin)
</p><p>Artificial ingredients need not apply. (Pawlenty)
</p></span>

techno,  December 1, 2009 7:36 PM  

Dick Cheney today in an interview with Politico ruled himself out for 2012.

Sarah's path to the GOP nomination just got a little easier.

AmeriCuda,  December 1, 2009 8:23 PM  

I don't believe Cheney was ever considering it. 
I do have strong feelings about something else is in the works though.
I believe they (Dick & the Neocons) are slowly laying the groundwork for a Liz Cheney run,
and that this Dick Cheney trial balloon is their contrived gateway in that direction.
Cues from Bill Krystal, who, since partnering with Liz, has turned mildly dismissive
of SP, as well as Liz herself, who, when the 'Cheney for president' discussion is broached
is vague but not dismissive. I actually think they had their sightes set on Sarah, but she wasn't 
playing ball so they're ripening the apple closest to the tree, in ideology and philosophy.

AmeriCuda,  December 1, 2009 8:24 PM  

<span>I don't believe Cheney was ever considering it.  
I do have strong feelings about something else in the works though. 
I believe they (Dick & the Neocons) are slowly laying the groundwork for a Liz Cheney run, 
and that this Dick Cheney 'trial balloon' is their contrived gateway in that direction. 
Cues from Bill Krystal, who, since partnering with Liz, has turned mildly dismissive 
of SP, as well as Liz herself, who, when the 'Cheney for president' discussion is broached 
is vague but not dismissive. I actually think they had their sightes set on Sarah, but she wasn't  
playing ball so they're ripening the apple closest to the tree, in ideology and philosophy.</span>

AmeriCuda,  December 1, 2009 8:25 PM  

<span>I don't believe Cheney was ever considering it.   
I do have strong feelings about something else in the works though.  
I believe they (Dick & the Neocons) are slowly laying the groundwork for a Liz Cheney run,  
and that this Dick Cheney 'trial balloon' is their contrived gateway in that direction.  
Cues from Bill Krystal, who, since partnering with Liz, has turned mildly dismissive  
of SP, as well as Liz herself, who, when the 'Cheney for president' discussion is broached  
is vague but not dismissive. I actually think they had their sights set on Sarah, but she wasn't   
playing ball so they're ripening the apple closest to the tree, in ideology and philosophy.</span>

AmeriCuda,  December 1, 2009 8:45 PM  

Whether it's Liz or not, I believe the GOP will look to recruit a woman to disrail the Palin Train, Condi Rice is another possibility. As SP becomes more and more inevitable, look for them to get creative. 
Will it work? I don't think so, but I never underestimate the lengths BOTH sides will go to insure she doesn't upset the apple cart.

CharterOakie,  December 1, 2009 9:36 PM  

Oh...OK...I won't tell.  (Buona sera, Mia amica.)

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