Wednesday, February 3, 2010

Far-Left Logic: You are a Tax Cheat if the Government Doesn't Tax You Enough



On the Huffington Post, Jeanne Devon implied that Sarah Palin is a "tax cheat." In fact, Devon was on Shannyn Moore's radio show this afternoon discussing the story, and Moore flat out called Palin a "tax cheat." Devon and Moore base this charge on the fact that Governor Palin did not pay more in property taxes than what was assessed by the Matanuska-Susitna Borough on property that Palin owns in Petersville, Alaska.

What Devon fails to tell her readers is that the Matanuska-Sustina Borough is responsible for making property assessments, not Sarah Palin. Here is what the Matanuska-Susitna Borough Division of Assessment states on its website:

The Assessment Division discovers, lists and values (appraises) all real and personal property* in Matanuska Susitna Borough. According to state law, property must be assessed at its "full and true value" as of the annual assessment date of January 1. In order to accomplish this, physical inventories of property characteristics are gathered and maintained. Mass appraisal techniques are employed to fairly and equitably appraise property at the lowest possible cost to the taxpayers of the borough.

It seems pretty clear to anyone who is not a far-left hack that it is the government's responsibility to make property assessments for determining the appropriate amount of taxation. Property owners do not voluntarily assess themselves. The Palins have paid what they were told they owe. The attachments that Devon provides to her scurrilous article as "proof" that the Palins have dodged their taxes actually establish that the Palins are current with their property taxes. In other words, there is no there there.

If Devon and Moore have an issue with how the Matanuska-Susitna Borough taxed Sarah Palin's property, then their complaint is with the borough and not with Palin. Of course, they can't generate a headline without impugning Palin with the ridiculous accusation that she is a "tax cheat."

I guess the new far-left mantra is that anyone who doesn't pay more than what the government tells them they owe is now a tax cheat.

171 comments:

PatrickinOH,  February 3, 2010 5:46 PM  

So was this the iceberg I kept hearing about? 

DoingTheDeal,  February 3, 2010 5:47 PM  

Look, I agree totally with you... if there was a problem with this, don't you think the bottom dwelling dolts that attack Sarah Palin up in Alaska would have been over to the assessment office complaining a long time ago?
Property assessment is the same all over the world... even here in Vancouver, Canada. They go out every year or so and assess property and send you the tax bill. No where is it the duty of a taxpayer to insist that they pay more than the assessment amount. Why?  Because sometimes property values fall and the assessment goes down. It is up to the assessment office to set the property tax amount.
As you say, just a bunch of "bullcrap"

Rogue2012,  February 3, 2010 5:47 PM  

I wish I was a tax cheat!!!   I am living in Westchester County in New York and paying way to much property tax; tax in general.


PALIN 2012!!!!!!!

DoingTheDeal,  February 3, 2010 5:49 PM  

I almost forgot.... in another section, some dolt called Hannan was touting this a really big deal... so I have to assume that Hannan is one of those bottom dwelling scum things and is trolling around here... can someone who watches over this site boot that Hannan scum off?

PatrickinOH,  February 3, 2010 5:50 PM  

Where are Moore and Devon on Tim Geithner?

manajordan,  February 3, 2010 5:50 PM  

This is a headline attack. If you say someone is a tax cheat in the title than it is just assumed true. But, people are wising up to the fact that you cannot trust the MSM, and are doing there own research. Of course something like this requires very little research. But, that is par for the course for much of the media these days.

manajordan,  February 3, 2010 5:51 PM  

<span>This is a headline attack. If you say someone is a tax cheat in the title than it is just assumed true. But, people are wising up to the fact that you cannot trust the MSM, and are doing their own research. Of course something like this requires very little research. But, that is par for the course for much of the media these days.</span>
<span>Great, simple take down TR.</span>

PEC,  February 3, 2010 5:55 PM  

Folks.  She may never owe taxes on these cabins.  My father has built barns and is not assess on them.  Depending on what the local laws are.  Just like we have pointed out that the Tax assessor has the job of assessing, they could have laws on is it lived in, is it permanently inhabital, etc etc.  First Devon needs to call MATsu Borough and tell them to assess if it bothers her that much.  Second, she may want to know local law.  Anchorage laws may not be the same,
Oh some require concrete base.  Pulling up tax records only prove whther or not somebody paid their taxes.  Nothing more nothing less. 

PatrickinOH,  February 3, 2010 5:59 PM  

Seriously where the hell are the administrators?  I would think that Hannan would've been banned by now after saying those awful things about Trig.  What the hell does it take to get banned around here?

Sheya,  February 3, 2010 5:59 PM  

O/T Anyone who knowledge in US history please respond to the following

Has the SOTU ever been given by someone other than the president?
Has a formar VP candidate delivered the SOTU before.
Has an address by an irelevent quitter ever been carried by all major networks before?
Has a speech by anyone other than the POTUS been carried by all networks before?

And this is for everyone,
IMO the Saturday night speech will break all records of speech viewers. Predict the number of viewers.

PEC,  February 3, 2010 6:00 PM  

Bingo.  Just like Sullivan's attacks.  Don't have to prove just say it.  Rural tax assessment are commonly different but for those in towns they assume that everything is assessed.
IT would be just like saying my Father is wrong if he builds a house but did not get the county inspectors out there.  SOunds like he did something wrong but there is one problem.  Where my Father lives they have no inspectors.  For that matter no county building codes.  This is throwing mud at the wall and seeing what sticks.

riley4palin,  February 3, 2010 6:00 PM  

Poor Jeanne.  Taken down in 2 minutes from C4P.  There goes her 15 minutes of MSNBC fame.

Perhaps we should now given Jeanne a new assignment.  Perhaps she should take a plane to Chicago and interview Tony Resko (he might be in jail right now, perhaps not) and do some investigation into the land deal he had with the Obamas a few years back.  I just never got the whole story from the LSM and would be curious to know the real facts.

Jeanne, you available?  This could get you a Pulitzer you know.  Interested?  No?  Didn't think so.

Sheya,  February 3, 2010 6:01 PM  

Plus you could end up as Treasury Secretary

PatrickinOH,  February 3, 2010 6:01 PM  

I predict at least 50 million.

PatrickinOH,  February 3, 2010 6:04 PM  

Thanks for your common sense PEC, but I don't think the troll will understand what you're saying.  When it comes to common sense they are deaf.

Wildmanbill,  February 3, 2010 6:06 PM  

Great Work Tommy!! RAM would be proud. This is the kind of info that really got me interested in C4P when I first discovered this website.

What a joke these people are.

It's funny, the more I hear from these far left whackos, the more I am convinced that Sarah Palin will be the next president of our country. They just can't get Sarah out of their heads. Funny thing is that I experience the same thing. Only in a GOOD way!!

techno,  February 3, 2010 6:11 PM  

So the assessor is guilty of undervaluing the property so therefore Sarah Palin should confront the authority and convince it to change its assessment that would make her pay more in tax. C'mon man!

JohnDoeAt30Below,  February 3, 2010 6:14 PM  

Safari Lakes is in the middle of freaking nowhere. The Borough doesn't tax much up there because there are no services. No school, no roads, no airports or police or fire. Nothing.

AKReport,  February 3, 2010 6:14 PM  

 SMACKDOWN

sarahsoldier,  February 3, 2010 6:14 PM  

You think Hannon=Shannon? Libs never think OTHER people pay enough taxes, anyway. As if Sarah would try to cheat on her taxes, especially knowing these liblooney buzzards watch her every move.

Nancy,  February 3, 2010 6:15 PM  

How do these people continue to function with the tax cheat Tim Geithner as Treasury Secretary?

Lunatics: Who?

PEC,  February 3, 2010 6:17 PM  

My guess is like most Governments they are a little lazy and they see how far it is to go there and say to heck with it.  30below - Even in where I grew up in SC, which is rural but I am sure nothing like Alaska, they don't waste the time to even go out. 

PatrickinOH,  February 3, 2010 6:17 PM  

OT: Special Report just talked about Rahm Emmanuel.  Talked about how Sarah called him out on it at her FB page.  Mentioned actor John McGinely who is leading a movement to stop the use of "r" word.  Do you think him and Sarah would ever team up?

Dan C,  February 3, 2010 6:18 PM  

The left using logic? HA HA HA HA

PEC,  February 3, 2010 6:18 PM  

I wish they wouldn't assess my house.  Trust me I wouldn't run to them telling them otherwise if they didn't.  That is their J-O-B not mine.

Dan C,  February 3, 2010 6:19 PM  

50 million might be a little high. 50 million watched the nfc championship game. This is a speech on a saturday night that I wonder if most people even know about.

techno,  February 3, 2010 6:20 PM  

This is the type of issue that really scares the libs: that Palin unlike most politicians has the potential to change not only the American political culture but the general Zeitgeist as well.

PatrickinOH,  February 3, 2010 6:21 PM  

You may be right Dan, but over 70 million watched the VP debate.

Hannan,  February 3, 2010 6:22 PM  

I guess what the government doesn't know wont hurt them, Im sure its easy to hide a couple cabins on 20 acres of private property without them ever finding out that you built them. Given the fact that no permits are required. I guess every year when Palin got her tax bill she breathed a sigh of relief when she saw they still have not figured it out yet...lucky her. What permits do I need from the Borough to build on or use my property?
<p>Answer:   Different permits are required in different locations and for different types of uses. Some construction and use may occur without a borough permit. The simple construction of a single family home may only require a driveway permit from the Borough Department of Public Works. Other Borough departments, plus State, and Federal Agencies may also have additional rules and require additional permits.
</p><p>The Borough requests everyone submit an “Acknowledgement of Existing Land Use Regulations” prior to development or beginning use. Submittal of this form is not mandatory. The “Acknowledgement” form provides a brief description and site plan for the project. MSB staff reviews the information and tells the applicant about relevant Borough rules and requirements such as, specific land uses, minimum setback requirements and other permits which may be required by the borough. We also provide contact information for state and federal agencies that often have rules affecting land use and development. For more information on this subject, including application forms, and explanations of procedures, visit the Code Compliance link in the column on the left.
The Matanuska-Susitna Borough does not currently require construction permits for most residential or commercial structures. The Borough does not require or issue Certificates of Occupancy.
A Borough Flood Hazard Development Permit is required for any development located in designated special flood hazard areas.
A Borough permit may be required if a driveway or other development will affect a borough managed public right of way or easement.
</p><p>In some areas, Land Use Permits are required.
A Conditional Use Permit may be required depending on the location and type of use.</p>

PatrickinOH,  February 3, 2010 6:23 PM  

It goes back to what Breitbart is always saying, in order to change the country politically you have to change the culture.  Popular culture says its cool to be a lefty because it makes you a rebel.

PatrickinOH,  February 3, 2010 6:24 PM  

AGAIN I WILL POSE THIS QUESTION.  WHERE THE HELL ARE THE ADMINISTRATORS?

james23,  February 3, 2010 6:25 PM  

Lets see, Sarah the Hockey Mom bloodies Rahm the Ballerina's pretty nose, and suddenly we get the "tax cheat" defamation and Andrew the Gynocologist over at the Atlantic goes off the deep end.  Coinky-dink?  I don't think so.....

Sheya,  February 3, 2010 6:26 PM  

Dan, You're probably right. Fox will probably rerun it. I presume the netwroks will start running promo's tomorrow

techno,  February 3, 2010 6:27 PM  

And this is why I called for about a month ago that postings related to Breitbart says or writes be posted on C4P, especially as related to the popular culture. I agree politics cannot be divorced from the culture, but that is exactly what most Republicans in running for office attempt to do. I agree completely-our side has allowed the Left for much too long to dominate the cultural agenda and determine what the popular culture should reflect in terms of ideas and values.

OldVet,  February 3, 2010 6:28 PM  

I think you nailed it PatrickinOH.

Bestbud,  February 3, 2010 6:30 PM  

One of my favorite Quotes from my most favorite Patriotic American-private citizen... God willing, private only until President-Elect Of The United States, November 2012... Sarah Palin 

"I have common sense and I have, I believe, the values that are reflective of so many other Americans' values. I believe what Americans are seeking is not that elitism, the kind of spinelessness that perhaps is made up for with some kind of elite Ivy League education and a fat resume that's based on anything but hard work and private-sector, free-enterprise principles."

Thought it kinda applied to the title of this thread... Far-Left Logic: You are a Tax Cheat if the Government Doesn't Tax You Enough... this actually comes real close to what Joe Biden said, paraphrasing, 'you are not American if you don't want to pay more taxes'.

I read Sarah and I <span>explode</span> with pride to be brought up, as with her, sharing her common sense values of hard work and private-sector, free-enterprise principles and... "not that elitism"

PatrickinOH,  February 3, 2010 6:31 PM  

Thanks OldVet.

PEC,  February 3, 2010 6:31 PM  

You are not reading what you are writing.  If you look at what you are writing the forms are for the most part optional.  Heck I know what I do with optional forms, I don't fill them out.  Sounds like the MAT -SU Government was lazy.  If you live there tell them to get out there and do their job.  Also with all the different this and different that, you have not answered the question did they go out and assess?  If not then yes Sarah dodged a bullet (if it even met all assessment building standards).

PatrickinOH,  February 3, 2010 6:33 PM  

I'm with you all the way.  As far as I'm concerned Breitbart's articles are a must read.  I wouldn't be surprised if he's advising Sarah right now.

PEC,  February 3, 2010 6:33 PM  

Oh note the trolls came out en-masse shortly after Marc Ambinder (Sullivan's fellow writer at the Atlantic) was snooping around C4P.  COincidence?

Indemind,  February 3, 2010 6:34 PM  

Rogue2012... WOW! Left Mamaroneck years ago, I fell your Pain.

sarah 2012

Nancy,  February 3, 2010 6:34 PM  

Lefty Logic:
Senator Obama runs around with a terrorist, therefore, Governor Palin is not fit to be VP.
Senator Obama says he believes in spreading the wealth, therefore, Governor Palin is not fit to be VP.
Senator Obama believes our military air raids villages, therefore, Governor Palin is not fit to be VP.

PatrickinOH,  February 3, 2010 6:35 PM  

You may have something there PEC. 

Hannan,  February 3, 2010 6:35 PM  

Yep she dodged it knowingly

PEC,  February 3, 2010 6:36 PM  

AK report OT do you know of any central place that shows the dates of all the primaries this year for every State.  Of COurse Illinois just had their primary.

yogi41,  February 3, 2010 6:37 PM  

Can we all pledge to STOP ENGAGING THE TROLLS? I know many want the administrators to ban them, but come on, we're supposed to be about individual responsibility. It's up to every one of us to woman-up (or man-up) and show some discipline. Stop choosing to engage them.

Lucy44,  February 3, 2010 6:38 PM  

What do you mean ? Aren't you interested in real information , facts ?

SarahFanUK,  February 3, 2010 6:38 PM  

Mods - c'mon nuke the damn troll. It wrecked a good thread last night and sheesh don't we all remember fun time with Kwaisi. Don't do it...!!!

PatrickinOH,  February 3, 2010 6:38 PM  

I heard that.  I can't think of a better person to introduce her, especially after he schooled the hopeless David Shuster.

OldVet,  February 3, 2010 6:38 PM  

Hannan - Every now and then someone like you slithers up here from some dark place. You don’t come to learn anything or to provide anything constructive – you just want to spread the poison of your lies and distortions. You will want to be careful around here though because if you smell like a troll, some Barbarian is liable to stomp on your head. Governor Sarah Palin lives in a world of light and truth that comes from God so she is immune to your pitiful attempts to demean her. Why don’t you go find one of those sites where the progressives, obamunists and America haters love to wallow in the muck and slime of their own making I think you would be much happier there.

SarahFanUK,  February 3, 2010 6:39 PM  

Bollocks not facts

PEC,  February 3, 2010 6:40 PM  

Now if you live there tell the Tax Assessors office to go up there and do their job.  Guess what if they come out next year with the same result then whose fault is it?  Repeat after me the Tax Assessors office.  I like Sarah and every other Americans pay the taxes that they are told to pay.  Nothing more nothing less.  IF they tell me 5 dolars I pay 5 if they tell me 5000 and they did not make errors I pay 5000.  SHe paid her taxes as assessed.  Next issue. 

Bestbud,  February 3, 2010 6:40 PM  

manajordan

Well said, thanks!  Common sense Sarah Palin Americans are hearing her message... Sarah has turned the page from set down, to stand up, and by first hand example is showing us all how really easy it is to do.

PatrickinOH,  February 3, 2010 6:40 PM  

Right on!

JeanA,  February 3, 2010 6:42 PM  

Bah, Bah, Bah, Bah, Bah, Bah,  Nobody cares, fool!

PatrickinOH,  February 3, 2010 6:42 PM  

I'm not engaging them.  It makes sense to me that after the horrible crap that was spewed yesterday about Sarah and Trig, that at least that particular troll would be deleted.  It didn't explicitly say any Trig-Truther stuff, but it sure was bordering on it.

SarahFanUK,  February 3, 2010 6:43 PM  

Devon's a dunce. Are her tax affairs in order?

AKReport,  February 3, 2010 6:43 PM  

politico.com has a map up.

SarahFanUK,  February 3, 2010 6:44 PM  

F off troll.

PEC,  February 3, 2010 6:45 PM  

I don't know.  THis is one of those dumb trolls that is fun to mess with.  They basically attach this long statement from the MAt-Su records that proves they don't even know if Sarah has done anything worng and they use that as proof she did.  Still say follow how closely Marc AMbinder's tweet showing he is watching C4P was sent as to when trolls showed up.

PEC,  February 3, 2010 6:47 PM  

And when people don't like the facts then they need to be kicked off.  ie trolls.

SarahFanUK,  February 3, 2010 6:48 PM  

yogi41 - Nope! C4P isn't that kind of site. Section 9 nailed it last night. If I want to dodge troll turds all night I can stay over at FR and do it. If you believe ignoring them will work it won't.

AKReport,  February 3, 2010 6:53 PM  

Trolls are a sign of Fear, or someone who just wants to talk some good smack.

Kjanlady,  February 3, 2010 6:54 PM  

Jon Stewart on BOR tonight....could be interesting.

PatrickinOH,  February 3, 2010 6:56 PM  

Screw Ambinder.  As far as I'm concerned as long as The Atlantic continues to employ that nut Sullivan, I take that as an endorsement of his Trig truthing.  Which begs the question, why is it more acceptable for liberals to be Trig-truthers than it is for conservatives to be birthers?  I don't see polls being done on self-identified democrats to see if they are Trig-truthers, yet I see all the time polls asking how many self-identifiend republicans are birthers.

PatrickinOH,  February 3, 2010 7:01 PM  

I sincerely hope that BOR tears that Obama hack into pieces.

Sheya,  February 3, 2010 7:01 PM  

SarahFanUK: WHere in the UK are you in (If I may ask)?

yogi41,  February 3, 2010 7:03 PM  

Yes, it works. I've been here since the beginning and have seen them come and go. When they don't get the reaction they crave, they eventually leave. When they succeed at escalating it into a fight, they stay and keep coming back for more.

It's somewhat mind-boggling to read some C4Per's complain and "whine" to the administrators to ban the trolls, yet these same folks CHOOSE to engage them. Go for it all you want, but don't get upset when the mods don't ban them. You chose to escalate the conversation and by choosing that path, accept the consequences.

And don't get me wrong; there are some days I love reading pages and pages of "fights" with trolls. I'm only responding to the frequent complaining to the editors of this site to ban the trolls when it's clear that some of us are making the choice to engage them and to fight with them. If that's the route you want to take, fine. Just quit whining to the editors to do something when you ("you" in general terms) clearly aren't disciplined enough to not take the bait.

Hope that clears it up. ;)

Jesse Cornish,  February 3, 2010 7:04 PM  

As a home owner myself, when I read the article I knew it sounded a bit fishy. You never have to assess your own property taxes. The local government does that for you and then sends you the bill, which you then have to pay.  If you don't pay up then you can be called a tax cheat.

Bestbud,  February 3, 2010 7:06 PM  

Im not predicting numbers but do predict Sarah's speech will not be a Lecture!... and consist of you betcha's, and backassword and common ordinary Americans will come away with pride and hope understanding the reason the left is terrified of her...
...Sarah's words "If there is a threat that I represent, it is that average, everyday, hardworking Americans, their voice is going to be heard!".  

PatrickinOH,  February 3, 2010 7:10 PM  

Excellent BestBud! 

PatrickinOH,  February 3, 2010 7:11 PM  

I'm gonna get off now, I have homework to do.  See you all later. :)

yogi41,  February 3, 2010 7:11 PM  

Maybe Jeanne Devon and Shannyn Moore rent and don't own any property. How could they not know how property taxes are assessed?

jimr3,  February 3, 2010 7:18 PM  

<p><span>I am starting to get a little bit annoyed of this talk by some “conservatives’ that are saying Sarah should have ignored the White House Chief of Staff's vulgar words.<span>  </span>They need to understand that what Sarah is doing is what she promised in her convention speech.</span>
</p><p><span><span>“To the families of special needs children all across this country, I have a message for you. For years, you've sought to make America a more welcoming place for your sons and daughters.”</span></span>
</p><p><span>“And I pledge to you that if we're elected, you will have a friend and advocate in the White House.”</span>
</p><p><span><span>Although Sarah wasn’t elected, she is keeping that promise to people with special needs and to their families.<span>  </span>To her it was a solemn oath she made that night in Minnesota. With President Obama’s insensitive words about the Special Olympics and the vile words of his Chief of Staff, I think it is clear that people with special needs haven’t been very welcome by the current occupants of the White House, and Sarah is simply standing up for these very special people as she promised.<span>  </span>I guess it is surprising to these so called “conservatives” that a politician – correction, a Statesman like Sarah Palin would actually keep her word.<span>   </span><span> </span></span></span>
</p>

Nancy,  February 3, 2010 7:19 PM  

GR-
Hugh Hewitt is playing clips of President Obama speaking to the Democrats from today.
Hugh has played 5 clips and in each one, President Obama is FLAT OUT LYING!!
Lies roll off his tongue so easily.
Wow, just wow!

Ginger,  February 3, 2010 7:26 PM  

Sarah should have notified the tax assessors that there was an improvement on the property, that was HER responsibility as an honest citizen.  Everyone makes mistakes, Sarah has been busy, why can't she just say she overlooked it and instead of blaming others as usual.

narciso,  February 3, 2010 7:26 PM  

Ot, in the Memeorandum queue, is a piece by Max Blumenthal, spawn of Sid, who spread the 'exorcism' meme, about Sarah and REv. Muthee, among others, attacking Okeefe, from the usual
perch at Salon

Lucy44,  February 3, 2010 7:29 PM  

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/02/03/top-perry-aide-used-r-word-hutchison-campaign-alleges/?fbid=WLQYIsfx_ja#more-88798

Ginger,  February 3, 2010 7:32 PM  

Yes, Sarah can be very entertaining.  By the way did any of you guys catch President Obama's Q&A with the Republicans.  Fox quit following half-way through because it made the Repbulicans look bad.  But, its all over the internet and shows proof of how smart our President is and am glad that he is leading our country.  Wow, he has amazing intelligence to go along with his common sense.

JeanA,  February 3, 2010 7:36 PM  

B ah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah

defendAmerica,  February 3, 2010 7:36 PM  

on top of that... Sarah is sensing the shift against Rahm.  The left has been started calling for Rahm to step down.  He is the brains behind the Obama facade... and Sarah knows it.  Her timing was perfect as always and the white house knows it, whether ordinary conservatives know it or not.

With Sarah, sometimes we need to remember that she is basing her decisions on information that we don't always know.

DoingTheDeal,  February 3, 2010 7:39 PM  

Is this another clone troll of Hannan? I hate wasting my time, but Ginger.... Sarah Palin has not said a damn thing about this so what is this "blaming others as usual" bullcrap?
Troll... back to the bottom scum.

Ginger,  February 3, 2010 7:40 PM  

Okay, let me put it in easier words.   Sarah   did   not   tell   the  assessors   that    there was a   building   on   the  property.  When she continued to receive her tax assessments there was no building listed, you know no cabin, no house, nothing.  So, most honest people report that they have improved the property.  Now do you get it.  Don't you guys get tired of trying to defend this woman.  Why do you lash out at the truth.  Believe, she would not give you two minutes of conversation on the street...unless you paid her,

defendAmerica,  February 3, 2010 7:40 PM  

Looks like Katie's taking a paycut ;)

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashkcc.htm

CruelaDev,  February 3, 2010 7:42 PM  

In some counties in the USA it is possible to own multiple properties in the same county and in order to save paperwork and time...the taxes are lumped and charged to one property....thus the additional properties will always show a zero tax owed.  I would have to research how the county assesses where Palin's live...but there ya go...food for thought!

DoingTheDeal,  February 3, 2010 7:42 PM  

You are probably right.... those two just barely made it out of grade 10 and never made enough money to actually own property... other than their for their witchcraft play cards.

SarahFanUK,  February 3, 2010 7:43 PM  

Shropshire

Ginger,  February 3, 2010 7:43 PM  

I am giving my take on this, just like you, but unlike you I don't call people names.  If you want to defend someone why don't you use more intelligence on what you know.

CruelaDev,  February 3, 2010 7:44 PM  

<span>In some counties in the USA it is possible to own multiple properties in the same county and in order to save paperwork and time...the taxes are lumped and charged to one property....thus the additional properties will always show a zero tax owed.  I would have to research how the county assesses where the Palin's live...but there ya go...food for thought!</span>

Kjanlady,  February 3, 2010 7:46 PM  

Couldn't happen to a more deserving person......there also was talk whether CBS wanted to keep her at all and wasn't it fortunate that her contract expires the same month Oprah ends her show......Katie becomes a talk show host....Sarah becomes President.........justice served.

Ginger,  February 3, 2010 7:47 PM  

Exactly!  That's where Sarah got her "experience".  You hit the nail on the head!  Wow!

Kjanlady,  February 3, 2010 7:48 PM  

Feeling better Cruela?

SarahFanUK,  February 3, 2010 7:48 PM  

We agree to disagree friend. Like you I've been here since the beginning too (lurked until reecently). They don't eventually leave. Hank left becuase of JS Kit.

CruelaDev,  February 3, 2010 7:49 PM  

Yes..it was good to get out and play with the dogs!

Ginger,  February 3, 2010 7:50 PM  

Mat-Su Government lazy?  Funny, that is where Sarah got her start, hmmm.  What do ya think?

Don B,  February 3, 2010 7:52 PM  

If Jeanne Devon wants to accuse someone of being a tax cheat, then let her go to the appropriate authorities, report it, and let them deal with it. If the assessor finds that taxes are owed and the property owner willfully skirted the law, then and only then is this a story. Copies of tax bills and photos and an unsigned letter sent in a plain brown envelope to Devon by an anonymous someone proves absolutely nothing.

This is shoddy blog "journalism" at its finest, implying a truth based on supposition. Jeanne Devon had best make sure that she has all the facts before she begins publicly calling someone a tax cheat, or she will find that being an "AKMuckraker" can backfire in a very meaningful, and expensive, libel suit.

techno,  February 3, 2010 7:52 PM  

The one thing I know about Sarah Palin is that she has hired over the years and currently has people on retainer she calls on to ensure everything of a financial or tax nature is done up or submitted correctly to the authorities. Do you really think somebody who has been the Governor of a state and the subject of such intense scrutiny over the last 18 months would overlook an avenue that opposition research would actively pursue in searching for any issue of this sort that would paint her into a corner and prove she had cheated or was crooked? Get real.

dansnewplace,  February 3, 2010 7:54 PM  

O/T FreeRepublic just posted Daytona Beach Chamber of Commerce is moving the event to a convention center, expecting large crowd

Ginger,  February 3, 2010 7:58 PM  

If you are trying to get others to support Palin, that is no way to do it.  I grew out of that mentality back in I think, middle school.

cookboy,  February 3, 2010 7:59 PM  

Anyone who doesn't pay as little as possible in taxes is either very stupid or a f@#king idiot.

Canary,  February 3, 2010 8:01 PM  

Hi All,
I will be attending Sunday 7 event with Gov Palin/Perry.  I plan to bring thousands of C4P cards (just makes 6 cards per each 8.5 x 11 regular sheet of paper, no fancy cards) to distribute at the event.  Here in Houston Latinchic will go as well.  Gambso, if you read this, could you contact me at thanksgivingstexas at yahoo so that we can help distributing the cards. Latinchic has conflict schedule won't be to help. Anyone else in Houston? Please contact. Thanks and see you there.

cookboy,  February 3, 2010 8:01 PM  

Failure to pay doesn't make one a cheat. It makes one delinquent. Cheating is active.

Jamika,  February 3, 2010 8:02 PM  

Sigh, Andrew Sullivan... Makes me ashamed to be British. His type of thinking is exactly what has ruined Britain this past decade and, judging by his blog, he's trying to spread his bad ideas to the Land of the Free - not that America needs him, since the regressives like Pelosi are doing are thorough job of destroying your economy and excellent Constitution. Ho-hum... time for bed...

Ginger,  February 3, 2010 8:03 PM  

You have to tell them that you have improved your home, or built a home on vacant property.  The government does expect honesty from their citizens.

Jesse Cornish,  February 3, 2010 8:04 PM  

I don't believe Sarah Palin has even said anything about this issue.

Mia,  February 3, 2010 8:04 PM  

Hey Crew!!!...May I add...Your timing is impeccable... ;)
Glad to see you here...Miss ya...
ummm...I agree...about the behavior...
I'm using our six sense...

Ginger,  February 3, 2010 8:04 PM  

Like what?  It is easy to say someone is lying, can you elaborate?  I would really like to be more informed.

Jesse Cornish,  February 3, 2010 8:06 PM  

Well, it is people like us that pay for everything.

cookboy,  February 3, 2010 8:09 PM  

I've been tryin' to put my big dog as my avatar, but it won't load. He's a ball in the snow.

CruelaDev,  February 3, 2010 8:09 PM  

You Betcha!

CruelaDev,  February 3, 2010 8:10 PM  

You Betcha!

cookboy,  February 3, 2010 8:11 PM  

I think were she a tax cheat she'd be employed in the Obama administration.

cookboy,  February 3, 2010 8:14 PM  

Best guess? Lips to a##hole.

Jesse Cornish,  February 3, 2010 8:14 PM  

Something that would be so blatantly obvious as this would have been exploited by liberals if it had any merit. It doesn't and the Alaskan cabal will look like fools.

That doesn't matter to them. Slanderers don't care what they say.

Kentucky Colonel,  February 3, 2010 8:15 PM  

Ginger, I don't know where you live, but here we don't have to tell the PVA squat.

Mia,  February 3, 2010 8:19 PM  

Tax Cheat???...What's next...Sarah didn't pay enough sales tax... while she was traveling?...Unbelievable...

james23,  February 3, 2010 8:30 PM  

^look who's escaped from Gilligan's Island!

james23,  February 3, 2010 8:33 PM  

^troll; there goes the neighborhood

james23,  February 3, 2010 8:37 PM  

^there goes the neighborhood.

xax,  February 3, 2010 8:51 PM  

You would think that as an adult, who likely owns property she would have an understanding of how property is assessed.  Three words: location, location, location.  Palin herself even said it was in the middle of nowhere.  Let's see a show of hands- how many people are clamoring for 20 acres of land, in the middle of nowhere, where there is no real road structure (chances are she flies in) where it's cold, it snows and it's dark for half the year?  Compare that to a condo in the middle of Manhatten.

And as far as the house goes... it's  freaking cabin!!  A cabin! in the snow! 

Seriously??  It's getting pathetic.  They'll search for ANYTHING!!!



... except a birth certificate.  LOL!!

I'm just joking.  (Not that the caveate on a joke will mean anything to the left.)

By the way, I strongly encourage you all to join this Facebook group by R. S. McCain.  It's too funny.  http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&gid=133736741596

xax,  February 3, 2010 8:56 PM  

As far as Couric goes, that's what you get for playing into the class warfare argument.  You may think you're doing yourself a favor and boost your image by making it seem like you care about the little guy.  But once they fully realize how much you make, they will turn on you.  You lay with dogs, you get fleas.

CruelaDev,  February 3, 2010 8:59 PM  

It appears that the Matsu...is 3 years behind in Assessements...they just assessed for the year 2007.
So if the building(s) were built in or around 2007...they would not have been included in the taxes.
I doubt they even will be for the year 2008.

Beehive,  February 3, 2010 9:09 PM  

Nice research Cruela

You are awesome!

senator20526,  February 3, 2010 9:34 PM  

Because it was after the cut-off date of this years assessment....duh

eclecticak,  February 3, 2010 9:39 PM  

Hmmmmmmm, but if you are a liberal you beleive cheating on your taxes is not only accepted, but expected? At least that's what it seemed like for OMMMM-baba's appointees......

senator20526,  February 3, 2010 9:43 PM  

Sounds like a tipical democrat govt. worker, trying to his job half-assed behind a desk, instead of out in the field.

eclecticak,  February 3, 2010 9:48 PM  

Could be the same TROLL that was using the name "Maryanne" in the past suffering a typical lack of originality.....

I wanna be the Professor!

;-)

Lynda,  February 3, 2010 9:51 PM  

I have a good education...almost an MBA and I am old and have paid my share of property taxes...I paid the bill that was sent to me...no more...no less... nor was I responsible for making the assessment (I have fought a few in my day)...I can teach you what it takes to build a pipeline...I can teach you how to complete an oilwell...I can tell you how to run a water flood plant...But with all this know how I need someone to answer a question for me because I don't UNDERSTAND so would someone please answer this for me...How can someone know that something is not the truth but can write an article and go on the radio an present as the truth and nothing happens to them; can someone please answer that for me?...Is it just because the ladies name is Sarah Palin?

Canary,  February 3, 2010 10:04 PM  

Ginger,
How much do you get paid?  First you lied, Foxnews cut off the last 12 minutes due to running out of time (true or not I dont know but that's what BOR said on TV).  not HALF WAY THROUGH like you said.

Second, your wonderful president has been 'smart' ONE time and has been EXtremely stupid and arrogant and cold for the last ONE YEAR.

Third, you lied again when you stole that word 'common sense' from Gov Palin to stick on your president's forehead. Obama has no common sense.  He told 'your grandma should take pain pill' and die instead of trying any cancer treatment, that's one of the thousand examples that a less than average citizen like myself can cite.

So get lost.

J. Cornish is a Douchebag,  February 3, 2010 10:05 PM  

Actually Jesse, we're looking at your property appraisal and it looks like you're misleading the good folks about your tax burden; please don't force us to publish this incriminating document. Not to worry, we won't tell them about your other "issues"; after all, that's between you and Rosey Palmer.

Though, to be fair (we wouldn't want to single Jesse out), why don't we talk about how few members of the circle jerk sought fit to actually contribute to the Grifter Granny's war chest. Come on, doesn't she at least deserve a reach around given all she does for you?

Canary,  February 3, 2010 10:05 PM  

techno,

In houston, people can always go and protest the tax being assessed against their house. You can pay much less if you protest it successfully..

Canary,  February 3, 2010 10:07 PM  

Ginger, you are stupid. Most people working for govt are lazy. That's fact. That's the Fed govt. :)

Canary,  February 3, 2010 10:08 PM  

Ginger,
We don't need you to support Gov Palin.  A suppoter of her won't talk like you. You spit venom.

Canary,  February 3, 2010 10:14 PM  

Lynda,
You can ask Barrack Obama. he can answer for you.

Lynda,  February 3, 2010 10:22 PM  

Canary I just sent you an e-mail about Sunday

Ginger,  February 3, 2010 11:32 PM  

You are only continuing to show your ignorance and I don't have time to explain things to someone that won't listen.  Good luck to you and your support of Ms. Palin.  By the way, Sarah is not Governor.  She quit in Jully, 2008.  Read much?

Ginger,  February 3, 2010 11:36 PM  

Hmm, you guys seem unable to make a point without trying to insult someone.  Who's your leader?

Ginger,  February 3, 2010 11:38 PM  

God approves of barbarians stomping on people's heads for speaking?  Palin brings out the best, doesn't she?

Ginger,  February 3, 2010 11:40 PM  

Sorry, I will try to use smaller words.  But, I do have a hard time cussing at people that I don't even know just because they are voicing their opinion.

Ginger,  February 3, 2010 11:47 PM  

Just like when Sarah, said "give me the baby, not the retarded one".

CCRWM,  February 3, 2010 11:56 PM  

I don't understand this story...they are calling her a tax cheat because they think the property is worth more? These women are crazy...and envious, bitter, ugly and so on...

Ginger,  February 3, 2010 11:58 PM  

Well, it actually is the truth, documents included.  For some reason Sarah supporters choose to ignore facts that may make her look bad.  Reminds me of a child putting their hands over their ears, don't want to hear it, don't want to hear it.  From what I have seen, and especially on this site, if you question anything or try to engage in an intelligent debate, you get called names and are threatened, when it comes to Sarah.  I mean, you guys are downright mean to people.  Who incites that from you?

Ginger,  February 4, 2010 12:02 AM  

Hi James23, I am just trying to learn something here, can't get past a lot of insults, cussing.  Never seen anyhing like it, unbelievable.  How can people fight for something they cannot defend with knowledge.  There are some good exceptions here though, and enjoy their ability to debate in an educated way.

sandrainoregon,  February 4, 2010 12:13 AM  

Wouldn't you expect that if you got a bill that said no improvements on the property, and you knew you had made substantial improvements, that you would notify the assessor's office?  Maybe one year you would think they were behind times.  But 3 years?  This is like not telling the clerk you got the wrong change when it is in your favor.  Just not a good reflection on one's morality.

sandrainoregon,  February 4, 2010 12:14 AM  

They don't fall to -0-.

sandrainoregon,  February 4, 2010 12:19 AM  

That is not the point.  There are laws for assessments.  Perhaps the values are less than actual, but zero is not correct.

sandrainoregon,  February 4, 2010 12:20 AM  

AKM is in Alaska.  This has been checked out locally.

Ginger,  February 4, 2010 12:24 AM  

One of the few intelligent comments I have seen on here.  Short, to the point, and a whole lot of common sense.  Good post sandrainoregon.

sandrainoregon,  February 4, 2010 12:24 AM  

Nooo.  This has been coming for a long time.  AKM just needed to verify the facts.  SP only attacked Rahm this week on his remarks he made last August.

Ginger,  February 4, 2010 12:26 AM  

You really need to re read the story with a little more emphasis on comprehension.  Take your time, and maybe you will understand it better.

Ginger,  February 4, 2010 12:29 AM  

Yes, he can.  He has an educated, well thought out answer for just about anything.  He is a smart man.  Good answer for Lynda, Canary.

sandrainoregon,  February 4, 2010 12:29 AM  

I think she hired H&R Block who are great for most people.

sandrainoregon,  February 4, 2010 12:30 AM  

I have every confidence that she has covered her bases.

sandrainoregon,  February 4, 2010 12:31 AM  

Tax assessments are based on location.  What part of zero don't you understand?

sandrainoregon,  February 4, 2010 12:33 AM  

I am a liberal and would never dream of cheating on my taxes.  I will use all my advantages, but I would never cheat.  Some people are just wired that way.

Allie,  February 4, 2010 1:15 AM  

Who is she blaming? 

sandrainoregon,  February 4, 2010 1:17 AM  

Unfortunately it was deleted when I tried to take out a double posting.

Mainly I think I was saying that if you get a bill that doesn't include something you bought, and it doesn't show up on the next bill, you tell them you bought it.  Only grifters would let something like that go by.  It seems that a lot of people on this site wouldn't let the creditors know.  They probably wouldn't let a clerk know that they overchanged.

Some people are proud of being grifters.  Do you suppose they can sleep?

Allie,  February 4, 2010 1:23 AM  

Ginger, sorry did not see it.  I don't like to watch television by turning my head from one side to the other as I watch him reading from the teleprompters, same reason why I don't watch tennis matches.  Furthermore, my dog has a problem that whenever he goes on TV she tends to attack it and I already had to get a new TV because she keeps throwing herself at the screen,  It was quite annoying since it was a six month old flat screen.  So you can understand why I might not want to watch him especially since I do not want to see someone that only speaks about putting this country in further debt.

Allie,  February 4, 2010 1:33 AM  

She is asinine.  I love the way she says that Sarah is only asking for money and meanwhile she and Moore asked people to give them money so they could attend some left wing, socialist meeting in Pittsburgh.  Then there is Moore who somehow while on a flight to visit her grandmother met a man in a plane and he offered her a job as a radio commentator.  For heaven's sake, who in their right mind would take a job from a person on an airplane and what station person would hire someone without a demo tape"

"My sources say, I am not sure mind you and wouldn't want to get them in trouble because they are afraid, but from what I was told, it seems that Ms. Moore is very proficient and an avid, vocal member of the Thousand Mile Club and that Ms. Devon's moose Brian is a reminder of a moose that used to visit her everyday until Sarah shot him and that is the reason why she hates Sarah so much.  She was very 'fond' (if you know what I mean) of Brian and that is why she carries a reminder of him everywhere.    Now, I can't say for sure I am just repeating rumors of what people say."

Uffda,  February 4, 2010 7:09 AM  

More like an ice cube.

Uffda,  February 4, 2010 7:10 AM  

Oh, right. Like anybody's going to go to the government and say they should be paying more taxes. We are human beings.

Uffda,  February 4, 2010 7:10 AM  

I hate property taxes. They penalize you for improving your property. It's incentive to live in a dump.

Uffda,  February 4, 2010 7:11 AM  

Okay, you tell me the next time you run to the government and tell them that you owe more.

Your name here...,  February 4, 2010 7:58 AM  

<span>The Tax assessor has the job of assessing, BUT the property owner in Mat-Su is responsible for providing ACCURATE data to them, even if the assessment is wrong. Responsibility of the owner. Isn't that what $arah preaches. Don't rely on gov't? In Mat-Su its the Responsibility of the owner:</span>

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32527116@N06/4328351567/

<span>In Mat-Su its the Responsibility of the owner.</span>
<span>In Mat-Su its the Responsibility of the owner.</span>
<span>In Mat-Su its the Responsibility of the owner.</span>
<span>In Mat-Su its the Responsibility of the owner.</span>

Your name here...,  February 4, 2010 7:59 AM  

I HATE property taxes, also too. But I pay mine, in full and ON TIME.

Your name here...,  February 4, 2010 8:12 AM  

Nice research? got a LINK?

http://www.matsugov.us/myproperty/detail.aspx?taxID=2357B04L012-1

This property appears to have a 2007, 2008 and 2009 assessment....

SarahFanUK,  February 4, 2010 2:57 PM  

looking at your posts you don't seem to have got out of middle school yet douche bag

SarahFanUK,  February 4, 2010 3:02 PM  

Muppet

Your name here...,  February 4, 2010 7:08 PM  

<span><span>The Tax assessor has the job of assessing, BUT the property owner in Mat-Su is responsible for providing ACCURATE data to them, even if the assessment is wrong. Responsibility of the owner. Isn't that what $arah preaches. Don't rely on gov't? In Mat-Su its the Responsibility of the owner:</span>  
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32527116@N06/4328351567/  
 
<span>In Mat-Su its the Responsibility of the owner.</span>  

</span>

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