More on Palin's Midland Texas Visit/Still No Video Evidence Supporting the Racial Slur Allegations/Open Thread (Update: Palin in DC on August 28th?)
-The Odessa American and News West 9 has more on her visit to Midland, Texas this Thursday that will benefit the Liberty & Freedom Foundation. Here is more information about "Ten in '10," the political action committee for the organization.
-The LA Times notes that "[h]awks, including former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, argue that military action is the only remaining option" in the event Iran acquires nuclear weaponry.
-Ben Smith concedes that "there's no video of Tea Party protesters using slurs." He then posts a video from which Smith concedes that it's not clear that a slur was used. The video sounds pretty clear to me....there was no slur unless you count "kill the bill" as a slur.
-Liberal Dave Weigel tweets that he "thought Baier's interview with Obama was great. Obama needs more grilling from the press."
-Obama voter Ann Althouse heard that "the people at yesterday's protest were unusually nice and friendly and well-behaved."
The vote is scheduled to take place tonight at 6 PM EST. What else is going on today?
Update: LaDonna Hale Curzon tweets that Palin will allegedly "http://twitter.com/SarahPalinRadio/status/10831304990" Be cautious about this one because I haven't seen it reported anywhere else.
Update #2: Bart Stupak has formally announced that he will effectively end his career tonight by voting in favor of this pro-abortion legislation. If it wasn't clear before, it's clear now that the idea of a "pro-life Democrat" is pretty much an oxymoron.
Update #3: Mark Silva from the Chicago Tribune claims that requiring the race-baiters over at the Congressional Black Caucus to produce videotape to substantiate their charges of racism "would reduce us all to getting our news from YouTube." Mark, whenever someone makes a charge that is as serious as racism, he or she better have evidence besides the word of Democrat Party hacks because without video, it's all he-said, she-said and reasonable people are not going to believe a bunch of race-baiters that still defend ACORN without additional proof. Would Silva have believed Fox News and Sean Hannity if they claimed that Barack Obama's pastor and "uncle" for twenty years was an anti-American racist without video evidence to support the allegations? The reason why Wright stuck with Obama is because Fox and Hannity had irrefutable video evidence to substantiate their reporting.
Update #4: Howard Dean said on MSNBC that "this is essentially Mitt Romney's bill expanded to the rest of the country."
Update #5: Remember what Palin told Hannity in an interview around a month ago:
Double-edged sword is that politically this would be good for common sense conservatives who want to get elected and clean house in there because Americans would be so outraged that Congress will have done this to the American people.
If you are looking for good news, Barack Obama has succeeded in turning the Democrat Party majority into a minority, at least in the House of Representatives. Scott Rasmussen is going to be the big winner this November.
Update VI by Doug: (H/T Michelle Malkin) Here's video of Bart Stupak several months ago saying he would vote for ObamaCare even if it included taxpayer funding for abortions:
This makes it crystal clear that everything Stupak has been saying the past several weeks was nothing more than a charade to get his face on TV.
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Regarding the "racial slurs" I just posted this on the Sunday open thread but here goes again because it's relevant: Michael Steele on C-SPAN was asked about the supposed "incident" and replied "that was just a group of Tea Partiers that got stupid." What a joke.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/21/tea-party-leader-condemns-racial-slurs-hurled-black-lawmakers/
I'm glad we're just accepting all this as fact. My favorite quote is "I don't even want to repeat it."
<span>Stupak. . .</span> [Daniel Foster]
. . .is a yes, according to MSNBC.
from NRO
Is anyone else following Stupak, I would not want my name or my children's name in history books as bringing a nation to its knees.
Sarah 2012!
Marsha Blackburn brilliant as always on the floor.
Speaking of liberty . . . <span>Two good cartoons showing what Obama is doing to "Liberty" in this country at <span>http://drawfortruth.wordpress.com/category/liberty/</span><span> </span></span>
Huck was condemning and apologizing for this so-called slur, and Geraldo Rivera was repeating the charge over and over last night.
Why doesn't it surprise me that the media and the dems lie? Is it because they do it so often, and so openly?
Huckabee is a joke. I will stay home if he is the Nominee. The gop can go to hell.
My bet is that Huck will be the first gop hopeful to say, "we have to learn to live with 0bamacare, now and in the future."
These comments on the floor are classic.
Repubs talking about freedom and liberty.
Dems claim racist attacks and wanting to "help those who can't help themselves" (minus the unborn of course).
time to break out the avatar.
today the House has a choice to hear and represent the American people or to take another step closer the socialist nation the left has been fighting for.
I don't understand why people like Huck and Steele accept these MSM stories as fact.
"These are the times that try mens souls." Thomas Paine
The bottom line is that the people of america voted these people in. So you can only blame the politicians so much. The people voted them in. Thank God I did not vote for any of the current mjaority.
Anyone else wonder why it is horrible that that a few - OUT OF THOUSANDS - protesters alledgedly said inappropriate things but it is acceptable for Tea Partiers to be routinely called Tea Baggers both by the MSM and regular people?
<span>Fox News Major Garrett, two tweets:
<span>Dynamic w/Stupak = he wants to vote Y; but EO negotiations continue. Will advise. Feels like will happen; hasn't yet.</span> <span><span><span>9 minutes ago</span> </span><span>via web</span> </span>
<span><span>Stupak spox 2 me on abortion/EO deal: "No…there is not yet a deal & he is still a NO vote right now." Note: "right now"</span> <span><span><span>3 minutes ago</span> </span><span>via web</span> </span></span></span>
I’ve been watching this Health Care debate from afar. Here’s my take.
For argument sake: Let’s say the bill is as good as the Democrats make it out to be. Let’s say that everyone will be covered, let’s say it will reduce everyone’s health care costs. Still, the majority people don’t want it. Period. How can the government force on people something they don’t want? Are the people too stupid to realize what’s really good for them? Maybe. BUT THEY DONT WANT IT.
You can’t force anyone to eat breakfast if they don’t want too, even if it’s good for them. You can’t force anyone to quit smoking, even it’s good for them and you can’t force people to brush their teeth even if it’s good for them.
If the new rule in Washington is to go against the majority and listen to the minority, than this same rule should apply to Obama’s election. Ignore the stupid majority who voted for him because they weren’t smart enough to understand what’s good for them and listen to the voice of the minority who DO understand whereas a McCain/Palin administration should really be in place.
You either always listen to the majority or always go with the minority you can’t just pick and choose as you see fit. Stupid or not, the majority of people don’t want it and that’s reason enough to vote NO!
We are called nazis too and the msm could not care less.
<span>Former director of the Congressional Budget Office from 2003 to 2005 in an Op-Ed that appears in the New York Times gives us <span>"The Real Arithmetic of Health Care Reform" </span>
Dear God help us. </span>
Stupak's office says he's still a no... for now.
<span>CNN reports that Bart Stupak just told Dana Bash that he is still a no.</span>
baird of Vancouver, USA, Washington to vote yes. Reported at 1348, EDT
http://www.king5.com/news/Democrats-predict-health-bill-will-pass-House-88767677.html
<span>John Tanner (TN) just announced he is a No.</span>
Reporting that Gov. Palin will be joining Beck in Wash. If so I WILL BE THERE.
In August.
Jean,
do you have a link?
Stupak will cave at the last minute to appear that he really wrestled with this. Only fools will buy it.
Regarding Stupak, Although I place zero faith in him or any other Dem, I have less faith in the MSM, including Fox. How many times have they gotten it wrong, and always wrong in the direction of the result they'd like? They're basically pool reporters. If a rumor starts, they all jump on it. Let's see.
One thing I know, O will never keep this promise. His base would bolt, and he personally is the most vicious pro-abort out there. Whether he outright lies and doesn't do it at all, or twists the wording of the "Executive Order", this will be a pro-abort bill. O's the first Post Truth president. It comes so naturally to him that I doubt he'd fail a lie detector.
Anyway, I'm calling Stupak's office and saying exactly that (for what it's worth).
Sorry, Not a link.
<span>SarahPalinRadio</span> <span></span><span>BREAKING:Gov. Palin will be @ Glenn Beck's rally in Washington,DC on Aug. 28! <span>#TeaParty</span>, <span>#GlennBeck</span>, <span>#Palin</span></span>
And his lines are busy. People must be going nuts about this (so far) rumor.
A thought I have had for while, so let me state it in several points.
1. A common story is that people with health insurance get denied coverage and in some cases die due to that, or die while appealing, etc. Just for the sake of this argument, I will accept that some of these cases happen.
2. But, I have also heard similar stories over the years about people trying to get Social Security benefits or SSA coverage. I have not myself or any family member that I know of, had the insurance problem or SS problem. I have had some friends and acquaintances though, even one case I know of right now, that have had the Social Security problem. I have also heard of cases where people died trying to get SS benefits! As I understand it, Social Security is just ONE administration in the Federal Government, not many.
3. Therefore, how is a new bureaucracy with 100 or more agencies, administrations, boards and whatever, going to solve problem #1 above? Anybody that belives it will is BEYOND STUPID!
Got through to traitor Ellsworth's office.Was just a little mad. Asked if it was true he was voting yes. Guy said yes, he didn't get another word out. I told him it was a shame, I will never ever vote for him ,would convince family not to, either. He has betrayed his constituants and i would vote for snoopy before him. then i said good day, click. I just hope he comes to the door in Nov.
So what's going on the 28th again?
Well, it appears that Stupak will sell out in the end. We'll know if they vote. They'll pull it if he holds firm and they don't have the votes.
Another inconsistency in the latest of those PPP polls that makes zero sense is that they have Obama holding steady or even increasing his vote among older voters while his support among younger voters has cratered.
They have him at 47-48 approval among 18-29 but at 48-47 approval among 65+. This despite the fact that 65+ was the only demo McCain actually won(and by a comfortable 8 pts)and the fact that every other poll has shown that 65+ is the demo most against the health care bill and most opposed to Obama. They also have him at 48-48 among 46-65, and only 43-50 among 30-45. He won 18-29 66-32 and 30-45 52-46. So they have him totally falling apart among his strongest supporters while increasing support among his strongest opponents. Sure.
On health care, they have 18-29 in favor by 49-45 AND 65+ in favor by 48-47. No other poll has seniors anywhere near being in support. They have 46-65 in favor 49-47. The only group opposed is 30-45 by 35-55. So every group is close, within a few pts, and 30-45 is opposed by 20 pts??? Again, doesn't really make any sense.
But the biggest is that among 18-29 Romney has a 17-42 F/UF, for a -25 net, yet they have him beating Obama among 18-29 by 46-42?? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Obama is losing his strongest group, that he got 66% of in 2008, and now he's lost roughly 40% of them and is down to 42, and is losing to a 63 yr old with 17%F among 18-29?? Again, that result really calls into question the validity of the entire poll. Same with the 30-45 group. Romney is at 28-39 F/UF and he's leading Obama 45-40. Huckabee leaads Obama among 30-45 by 49-41. Palin trails him 41-47, despite her F/UF being 38-48, and Obama's approval being 43-50, and 30-45 being the strongest opponents by far of Obamacare at 35-55. Even Mitch Daniels, who no one has heard of and is at 8-17 F/UF among 30-45 is close to Obama at 36-41. Again, doesn't make any sense that Palin would be trailing in this group by 6, while Huck is up by 8 and Romney by 5, while she has by far the highest F of any of them.
For that matter, so does the result showing Palin tied with Obama among 18-29 at 42 apiece. In fact, 18-29 is actually her best group vs Obama. Despite the fact that 65+ already voted for by +8 in 2008. Despite the fact that historically older voters are the GOP's strongest bloc. If Palin is really anywhere near Obama among younger voters as PPP claims she'll win in a landslide. And if Romney really had a 4 pt lead among younger voters, he'd be up by double digits overall. We'd be talking a Reagan 84 type landslide.
They also have things like Palin more than doubling the GOP share of the black vote from 2008, but only at 50% of the white vote? Despite the fact that even in 2008 in what was the worst year for the GOP maybe ever, they still got 55% of the white vote. And PPP expects us to believe they'd only get 50% now? Please.
The internals of their polls really make no sense, and they haven't for a while.
I'm with Dan and GAHanson on this. If Huckabee is the nominee I will stay home.
Take a look at this story and picture:
A Surprise from Sarah!
http://www.inspiration-sarah.com/2010/03/surprise-from-sarah.html
Another good indicator that this Stupak thing is still in the realm of rumor is that Drudge has nothing about it--and he IS working today. He links to a story about the US Bishops final plea against the bill and it's dated today.
Stupak's lines are still busy.
Dan I don't think people realized that all dems are progressives and/or socialists meaning there is no democrat party only the party "formerly known" as the democrat party.
It's very ironic because if the msm looked at the NAZI party platform, they would agree with much of it.
http://www.glennbeck.com/828/
Count me in Jean. If this is true, I can't miss this.
Great gift idea! Great picture too!
That doesn't sound like the same event as the march last year on 9/12. Am I reading it wrong?
Mike Pence tells NRO "This Isn't Over"
Pence says that Bart Stupak’s vote is still up in the air. He says that "this isn't over till the last vote is counted."
On the abortion executive order, he says the negotiations are "a tacit admission that this legislation provides for the public funding of abortion. There's no way around that. If the Democrats insist this isn't an abortion bill, then why the need for an executive order?"
And K-Lo says that Pro-lifers are still trying to talk with Stupak.
I agree, but that means the people are dumb enough to believe their lies.
yep.
That's my take on it too. From the looks of it, it's an event honoring service man & women or something of the sort.
That's wonderful, on both ends. Thanks for the link.
A doctor who has voted for Bart Stupak in Michigan writes K-Lo:
I am hoping and praying that Bart Stupak will hold fast to his principles. If he falls prey to this EO ploy, he will surely lose much support in this district. I am hearing anger at the simple thought that he might cave.
I would not spend any time analyzing the latest PPP poll. It is obviously a mess and they are desparately trying to push Mitt since they are afraid of facing Sarah. Sarah was only 8% back of Obama and the campaign has not started yet. She used to be more than 15% behind. She is gradually closing.
PPP is a Democrat Party polling outfit so they use their poll to try to mold public opinion.
Ignore it.
Sheya,
I think that's the wrong event:
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/33398/
"On August 28, 2010, I ask you, your family and neighbors to join me at the feet of Abraham Lincoln on the National Mall for the unveiling of The Plan and the birthday of a new national movement to restore our great country."
Baird, MY Representative, by voting yes on this bill, is telling me that he wants to leave office in flames. Thank goodness that he will not be seeking re-election. By doing this, he is giving David Hedrick, the young man that famously confronted Baird at a town hall meeting a few months ago, the finger. Mr. Hedrick asked Rep. Baird if he planned to hold up and follow the Constitution, and Baird replied "yes". Baird did NOT keep his word.
This is why it's ridiculous to throw in the towel everytime a rumor comes out of DC. All rumors will favor the Dems. If it turns out to be true, it's true. As far as I'm concerned, we know nothing more than we did last night.
Stupak's mailbox is full btw.
Megyn Kelly is reporting that Stupak may be close to agreement on abortion language.
This, from a poster at Hot Air:
BREAKING 1:43 P.M. – If my observation of Steny Hoyer’s interaction with Bart Stupak just now on the House floor is any indication, Stupak looks very much like a yes.
Stupak walked over to Mike Doyle, Pennsylvania Democrat, the liaison between leadership and pro-life Democrats. Moments later, Hoyer walked over.
Hoyer asked a question, listened to Stupak talk for a few moments, and then gave a very animated and enthusiastic slap with his right hand on the Stupak’s left arm. Hoyer, smiling and nodding, patted him on the shoulder, and then put his hand on the back of Stupak’s neck.
After a few more moments of conversation, Hoyer slapped Doyle on the back, gave a thumbs up and walked away.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/03/20/breaking-1045-a-m-stupak-press-conference-postponed/#ixzz0ippD7Ytu
That is awesome!!!!
Meghan's reporting what she's hearing from Cameron and others, who at this point are reporting anything they hear flying around. Wait till the dust settles.
So are there two events on the 28th? It's getting difficult to keep up with Beck. If the Governor IS joining him he'll most likely mention it on his show tomorrow.
<span>The decisions of two Tennessee Democrats, Reps. John Tanner and Lincoln Davis, to vote no has put President Barack Obama, Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and her lieutenants in a major bind.</span>
Why the aptly named PPP poll is ever given any cred here is "above my pay grade".
For what it is worth the Hill about 20 minutes ago claim the Dems don't have the 216 votes and the Hill is reporting that a total of 39 "NO" votes from Democrats on their whip count, enough to sink Obamacare.
If true, that's worth A LOT! :)
There is always email and fax. And you can try phoning his district offices.
His email page can be found here.
Alpena
(989) 356 0690
(989) 356 0923 - Fax
Escanaba
(906) 786 4504
(906) 786 4534 - Fax
Marquette
(906) 228 3700
(906) 228 2305 - Fax
West Branch
(989) 345 2258
(989) 345 2285 Fax
Houghton
(906) 482 1371
(906) 482 4855 - Fax
Petoskey
(231) 348 0657
(231) 348 0653 Fax
<span>There is always email and fax. And you can also try phoning his district offices.
<span>His email page can be found here</span>.
Alpena
(989) 356 0690
(989) 356 0923 - Fax
Escanaba
(906) 786 4504
(906) 786 4534 - Fax
Marquette
(906) 228 3700
(906) 228 2305 - Fax
West Branch
(989) 345 2258
(989) 345 2285 Fax
Houghton
(906) 482 1371
(906) 482 4855 - Fax
Petoskey
(231) 348 0657
(231) 348 0653 Fax</span>
Mark check this out from Raymod Arroyo:
<span>RaymondArroyo</span><span> AP is reporting that Pro-choice members have no problem with the Presidential executive order. Duh? Because it means absolutely nothing!</span>
Code Red currently has it at 213 YES, 214 NO and 4 undecided.
If Stupak folds and tries to pretend that an EO will take care of his concerns about abortion he is either stupid or a liar. Obama will twist any EO to prevent offending his pro-abortion base. If Stupak thinks he can then play the "he lied to me" card I hope the voters in his district who are pro-life remember that. I have more rrespect for those willing to be up front about not caring about the unborn babies - at least they don't add being hypocrites to their rap sheet.
Is that his tweet?
Barbarians, keep praying, phoning, faxing, and emailing.
Yes it is.
If he votes YES, he knows exactly what this EO's worth. He's knowingly voting for a pro-abort bill. He also knows that the U.S. Bishops are still firmly against this. So much for his Catholicism. He's no better than Pelosi if this is true.
For what it's worth
Far left FDL has their Whip count at 209 favor, 9 lean oppose, 209 oppose, 4 unknown
And they are including Stupak as a Yes vote.
FavorLean
FavorLean
OpposeOpposeUnknown213022079
If Stupak is so pro-life, what is he doing in the Democrat Party ?
Basically, he says he's pro-life but only to get votes.
I've heard this from several people including an informed called on CSPAN yesterday.
Irony:
Sunday, the Progressives' Sabbath, worshipping and entrusting all of their faith at the altar of their god: government.
<span>For what it's worth
Far left FDL has their Whip count at 209 favor, 9 lean oppose, 209 oppose, 4 unknown
And they are including Stupak as a Yes vote in their count.
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This Stupak falling for this EO lie, is like watching a horror movie, where you are yelling at the dude to NOT GO IN THAT HOUSE!!!!! NOOOOOOO!! There's a chainsaw murderer in there!!!!! That is not the sound of a lawnmower! No one is mowing their lawn at 2:00 in the morning! Don't you see? It's a trap!!!! Hands over eyes, I can't look.
Believe it or not, there are some people who are pro-life, but liberal on everything else. There was a girl like that I went to high school with. Me and my friends used to joke that she was a pro-life communist.
Arroyo and others were holding him up as a hero. Wishful thinking--maybe!
Techno's info still looks hopeful. I'm not giving up until the votes are counted! Everything coming out of DC is tainted.
Yuval Levin at NRO call's the Executive Order a "Bad Joke"
Hell, I'm a novice at this stuff, and I even knew that.
Levin: Given the nature of the abortion language in the Senate bill, which creates a mechanism to allow for taxpayer-funding of abortion coverage while pretending to prevent it, it is very hard to see what an executive order from President <span>Obama</span> could actually consist of, even as sheer cover. His freedom of action would seem to be very limited, so that such an order would be almost purely symbolic. The language Kathryn <span>cited</span> from a source last night could not possibly be a draft of actual executive order language, and if the concept behind it is what they have in mind—applying language from one law to another by means of executive order—then it is not even a fig leaf, it’s a bad joke.
Perhaps that’s why so committed a champion of public funding of abortion as Diana DeGette could support the idea. Surely no pro-life Democrat could join her—and no one who joins her could be called a pro-life Democrat.
This is absolutely no way that Stupak or anyone else should buy the whole EO thing. It's only enforceable by the President. What's to say he keeps his word? He can't even keep his word on his EO closing Gitmo, which is actually something he wants to do! He doesn't want to bar the funding of abortion! He's not going to keep his word with this order!On one hand, I really hope that Stupak and Co don't break on this, and there's enough to vote no. On the other hand, if the EO convinces the fiercely pro-abortion peeps to vote no, then hey, it'll fail. That's a long shot, but pretty much anyway this thing fails is fine with me.
I have to insert a caveat here, they claim they are pro-life.
Yeah, everything they do is on a day that's important to Christians. Last one was Christmas Eve. I don't believe in coincidense--not with them anyway.
Actually "at the feet of Lincoln" creeps me out a bit.
Have you seen the Lincoln Memorial?
It, too, creeps me out. It is called a shrine. That is unAmerican. And the dedication has words, too, that right now escape me, but when I read it, it creeped me out.
We Americans do not enshrine people. We do not worship our leaders.
No wonder BO wants to be the new Lincoln, announced his campaign in Springfield, IL, and has tried repeatedly to take on Lincoln's mantle by referring to EVERYTHING he does, even his very existence, as being HISTORICAL.
At the risk of being sacrilegious in a country with a shrine to Lincoln, he actually wasn't a great President.
He stomped all over the Constitution and took all kinds of powers unto himself that the Constitution does not give him. The States had every right to leave the Union; they're the ones who put the Union together.
As it is today.
Certainly I want the Union to stay together. But not because the President forces us to. Only because the States take back their rightful powers and bring the Feds back into line, under the direction of the States.
NRCC is including Stupak as a yes now in this count.. <span>NRCC count: 214 NO, 213 YES - Dahlkemper (PA), Berry (AR), Kanjorski (PA), McMahon (NY) undecided</span>
NRO's Yuval Levin calls the Executive Order a "Bad Joke"
Hell, I'm a novice at this stuff and I even knew that.
Levin: Given the nature of the abortion language in the Senate bill, which creates a mechanism to allow for taxpayer-funding of abortion coverage while pretending to prevent it, it is very hard to see what an executive order from Obama could actually consist of, even as sheer cover. His freedom of action would seem to be very limited, so that such an order would be almost purely symbolic. The language Kathryn <span>cited</span> from a source last night could not possibly be a draft of actual executive order language, and if the concept behind it is what they have in mind—applying language from one law to another by means of executive order—then it is not even a fig leaf, it’s a bad joke.
Perhaps that’s why so committed a champion of public funding of abortion as Diana DeGette could support the idea. Surely no pro-life Democrat could join her—and no one who joins her could be called a pro-life Democrat.
Father Groeshel's pretty much like that. They just hear "It's for the poor" and they're hooked. The younger priests aren't like that. They know that it leads to something worse than poverty--dependancy and despair.
<span>Current code red count no 214 yes 213 undecided 4.</span>
Gateway Pundit is reminding everyone that Bart Stupak held a townhall last year and said the following:
“If everything I want [is] in the final bill, I like everything in the bill except you have public funding for abortion, and we had a chance to run our amendment and we lost. OK, I voted my conscience, stayed true to my principles, stayed true to the beliefs of this district, could I vote for healthcare? Yes I still could.”
In other words, don't trust him to keep his word that he'll vote "no" this time around.
They grew up with Reagan--like me! Soon there'll be a generation who grew up with Sarah of AK!
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Just got this from someone on Twitter:
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<span>E-mail from Boehner's clerk: final votes not to happen until 10-11pm tonight.</span>
Looks like Slaughter needs to borrow her sister's hearing aids.
Stupak, Kill the Bill, save a baby!
We ran into a woman at church like that today. There was a small lunch after mass, and me, my mom, and sister were getting petitions to get this woman on the ballot in November who is running for State rep. The woman said the current state rep is a great guy because he gets a lot of money for the district. She went on and said people like Rush and Hannity are un-Christian and stir-up people. I chewing on a tongue taco so to speak because I didn't want to start anything. She ended up signing though because she wants people to have choices.
Save a lot of babies!
Executive Orders are unconstitutional.
Read it.
There is no provision for the President to give orders. He/she can't even declare War. The Congress has to vote on a declaration. Bush issued executive orders, too. IMO, this actually goes all the way back to Lincoln, who take way too many powers into the Presidency.
See my comments above under Palin's gonna' be at Beck's 8/28 gig.
We DESPERATELY need to get back to the Constitution.
take = took
Could they be including him as a Yes becouse of the false MSNBC report earlier today, or do they know something we don't?
Where is Sarah Palin today???
hehe!
<span>rsmccain <span> </span><span>"Mr. Chairman, I yield the floor to the crazy moonbat lady from California . . ."</span></span>
Since Techno hasn't posted this today ;
Gallup :
Approve : 50 ( +3 )
Disapprove : 43 ( -4 )
The Constitution has been incrementally ripped piece by piece. If this passes, whether by executive orders or without, it will essentially mean the Constitution is being run through the shredder.
That means they don't have them yet. It does to me anyway. I'm not a polyanna about what's going on! I've just learned enough to know that info coming from DC is rigged. I'll wait, keep calling and see.
So according to Defend above, those three are the ones to call.
Stupak, if this is true, you're a swine's swine.
Check this out from R.S. McCain: <span>rsmccain</span> <span>Chris Smith refers to "more dead babies" from <span>#hcr</span> -- Did I hear Nancy Pelosi cackle with laughter?</span>
Kitty and I know exactly how you feel......I can no longer watch this debacle.........I hope every person voting for this baby killing bill extracts the full measure of justice from their treachery both here on earth and for eternity.
Voting schedule courtesy of Greta: http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/
But with Lefties the slogan is always just the singular.
If we can just save one person, it is worth it.
If only they thought an unborn baby is a person.
If you want to retain your sanity, DO NOT watch your Congress in "action" on CSPAN, it's a joke.
Jesse Jackson Jr is an idiot, like his dad.
They are debating giving back "15 seconds", "10 seconds" to the "gentleman from California", but, in the time it took to make this request, "the 15 seconds you wanted to give back were used up"
I feel like I'm watching a SNL skit . . . but unfortunately not.<span> </span>
Looks like Stupak is announcing his vote at a new conf. at 4 PM EST. I'm very nervous about this.
<span>Just posted on Drudge:</span>
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<span>Senate Republicans found a provision in the new House health care bill that likely makes it ineligible for expedited 'reconciliation' procedures in the Senate. Dems refused to meet with GOP and Parliamentarian.... Developing....</span>
Yeah they care more about some godd*** wolves on Alaska than they do about babies. These people make me sick!
<span>Yeah they care more about some god-d*** wolves in Alaska than they do about babies. These people make me sick!</span>
You know that McMahon's district in NY (where I was born btw) went for McCain? He's the guy I'm concentrating on!
Dems refused to meet with Republicans?
I Won.
There is still hope Barbarians
K-Lo reports on Stupak:
<span>The Hill</span> got confirmation that Bart Stupak is still a no vote.
But more importantly K-Lo says the following:
And in the last 15, I can tell you Stupak could be seen with Susan Muskett from the National Right to Life Committee and Peggy Nance from Concerned Women for America. Both groups oppose the executive-order strategy, knowing it to be a sham.
God I pray they can talk some sense into him.
Here is the Hill report.
he's a yes
I'm watching it on mute, then unmuting it at selective times.
Via NRO: Erick Cantor says Cao is still a no. He also tells NRO that the debate tonight could go late and that Republicans are ready to fight within the rule debate for awhile. Stay tuned, he says.
I am hearing as late as 11:00 or 11:30 tonight, which tells me, Nancy still has some heavy lifting to do.
Dems refused to meet with GOP?
I Won Bipartisanship.
michelle malkin tweets... <span>BREAKING FROM CAP HILL: Mike Pence just came out onto the balcony w/a sign: "DEMS DON'T HAVE THE VOTES"</span>
If true, this could have it thrown out in court. Where's Levin?! Bet they'll be hearing from him shortly.
11:00 tonight, that's what I am hearing too. Nancy ain't there yet.
The really big question is...
Why the heck are they doing this on Sunday, God's day? I deem this so Leftist.
check out the picture of the lone guy with the flag in front of the capital on gretawire. I wrote that I hope he turns it upside down for distress if this thing passes. Maybe we should go to half-staff over this death of freedom.
Breaking the rules?
Why? Becouse Alcee Hastings don't care about no damn stinkin rules.
This is the only info I put any stock in so far today--an actual visual.
Politico is reporting that Stupak has made a deal with the devil: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34767.html
I'm going to wait and see what he says at 4PM. Hoping to God this is not true.
This is interesting (came out at 3:38 PM):
Some Republicans are suggesting that in light of the fact that the administration's Medicare and Medicaid actuary was not able to estimate the cost and impact of the health package, some conservative Democrats might be tempted to vote "present" today. Plus, with plenty of uncertainty about the impact of a proposed executive order blockading federal funding of abortion, there's lots that Democrats don't know about the impact of their votes. ... Any Democrat who did vote "present" or anything other than "yes" would be counted the same as a "no," ...
<span>http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Could-Democrats-vote-present-88771537.html#ixzz0iqHiv4C</span>h
Gallup is a joke.
What were their #s yesterday?
Obama's Presidency killed by people voting "Present"........that would be AWESOME!!!!!!!
If that happens, don't tell me God doesn't have a sense of humor!:)
Breaking Via NRO
Will they anounce they are going to kill the bill and save the bady - or will they fall for the EO trick that will kill the baby.
Driehaus confirms: Eight or nine pro-lifers are having a press conference at 4, with Stupak.
Mark, interesting point!
<span>Breaking News Via NRO</span>
<span>Press conference at 4
Driehaus confirms: Eight or nine pro-lifers are having a press conference at 4, with Stupak.</span>
<span>Will they anounce they are going to kill the bill and save the bady - or will they fall for the EO trick that will kill the baby. </span>
Because they worship institutions, not God.
Its over, Stupak and the rest of them have folded..the Dems have their votes now
Well, at least we'll know one way or another, so this can stop being dragged out. I assume that's EST, so we should know our fate in around 3 minutes.
The big fold - Stupak a spineless Michigander. No jobs in the state and commit the state to more expenses. Dumb and dumber.
The Hill and Politico report 8 or 9 are now "yes". It's over.
Don't forget Politico's ideology; they do a lot of wish-it-were-so, make-it-so, if-I-report-it-as-so-enough-it-will-become-so reporting ...
Believe me I'm skepitcal when it comes to anything Politburo says. The Hill is reporting it too though, they are definately more fair.
<p><span><span>Faux pro-life Demoncrat Bart Stupak makes it official.<span> </span></span></span>
</p><p><span><span>He just endorsed taxpayer funded abortion by voting yes.<span> </span></span></span>
</p><p><span><span><span>AllahPundit says: He caved for a wafer-thin executive order and a little floor time to praise life? Geez. Cheap date, Bart.</span></span></span>
</p><p><span><span><span>Praise life? Give me a freaking break Bart. On the one hand, he praises life, and with the other hand he takes my tax dollars to end life. </span></span></span></p>
Strangely, I don't feel that bad. It feels good to at least know where we stand now, so we can further advance the fight in a new direction. It was this drama of dragging it out that was causing me turmoil. Now, it's onward and forward from here!
Sean Hannity said he would cave. Give the man credit when it is due.
If true, there's a special place in Hell waiting for you Bart, no matter what cover you were given. You know what you've done you little twerp. You're as bad as Pelosi.
They may win this battle, but it doesn't mean they have won the war. Like Sarah, we now take this fight to another battlefield. The war continues.
Again Barack Obama affirming the sanctity of life is like Hitler coming out that European Jews would not incur the wrath of the Nazis or like Tiger Woods affirming that he would supporting celibacy.
what a chicken
Because they do not believe in big G God.
They believe in big G Government.
IOW, Government is their God.
Stupak is delusional if he trusts Obama.
Please, God, TAKE WHAT IS INTENDED FOR EVIL AND USE IT FOR GOOD.
May this be the beginning of the end of The Abomination which is the ObamaNation...
You're garbage Bart--you and the other 30 pieces of silver "pro-life" butchers. The Democrat party is the party of death. There ARE no "moderates". They have to be destroyed in November--not hurt, not defeated--destroyed.
I love the split screen on Fox right now.
While Stupak and his gang throw millions of babies under the bus, on the other side, are American patriots, Marsha Blackburn firing them up!
K-Lo:
Stupak: "We have an agreement ... to protect the sanctity of life ... "
This press conference is being held in a fog of delusion. The executive order is not binding.
I think we're witnessing Bart Stupak write the obit for the concept of the "pro-life Democrat."
Indeed
Thanks be to Sarah for delaying this debacle 7 months. Her 2 words prevented this from passing early. She's spoken, and we have spoken. Our representatives have not been public servants, but self-servants.
They are all liars! Stupak said there is no abortion funding in the bill!? The EO (which will not be enforced) is what takes away the funding, not the bill.
Well, it looks we should all start calling each other comrade.
Glenn Beck is so using Palin as a crowd draw. He is trying to cause a rift because he knows Mark Levin likes her and can't start him. Also even Rush is getting sick of his antics. As soon as Palin starts to distance herself from him, Beck will turn against her just like that stalker John Zigler.
*******
This bill is simply government funded abortions to control population growth. Why else would taxpayers have to pay for women lifestyle choices? (not referring to rape or health of mother)
<span>RaymondArroyo</span> <span>Stupak will vote for Health Care Bill. He believes that the Executive Order will protect lives--like the President's first executive order!</span>
He will. Remember, with O came Sarah!
This has destroyed them, win or lose. There's a million disgusting details about this bill that haven't come out yet. It'll be like the Chinese water torture for the Dems as they come out for years to come.
Well said Arroyo.
The Midland Texas event is rather steep! I live in oil country but don't have one of those one-armed-bandits pumping in my back yard so guess I'll have to sit outside and guess what door she may enter and exit from.
You know what though? God is gracious and life is good, even if our government controls another 20% of our lives after tonight, and I don't get to see Gov Palin practically in my back yard... count it by Gods grace alone we live in these United State's Of America, where we have leaders like Sarah Palin, who follow his path and eventually will secure a more perfect Union for the world to beat a pathway too.
<span> “Freedom dies a little bit today.” -</span><span>Representative Marsha Blackburn</span>
Everyone of these sleasy SOB's are going to pay in November!
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.... this water is poison and the horse knows it.
Unfortunately I believe you're right about Beck
Stupak knows that the EO will not stop the federal funding of abortions. He is simply trying to get cover for his yes vote. He is a Judas. We have witnessed a colossal moral failure today by a liar who said he was for the unborn. He is NOT. He is merely being the politician first and putting the lives of the innocent unborn under the bus.
Planned Parenthood right now is planning the rampup of abortion facilities right now like the Nazis bringing in more gas chamber equipment into Auschwitz to deal with the 'final solution'.
<span>Unfortunately I believe you're right about Beck.
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<p><span><span><span> </span>The text of meaningless EO agreement that Stupak The Butcher agreed to.<span> </span></span></span></p>
I am ashamed that Stupak came from Michigan.
So very, very, ashamed.
*everyone plug your ears and fingers* ARGRGRGRGRGRGRGRGRGRGRGRGGRGRGRGRGRGRHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
An appropriate statement from crazy legs at HA made several months ago:
"A Christian nation no longer. Now that Obama has replaced Christ as America's number one hero, we are an ABOMINATION."
COMMENT:
Allowing Obama to claim that from a presumptuous and egotistical point of view that he can overrule the law (Senate bill) is one thing but for House members to buy into this farce makes you realize that the Democrats no longer care about the rule of law which has governed America for 220 years but whatever means can be created to accomplish the ends and that furthermore they they think they can sell the idea that because of Obama we now have government run healthcare and thus rely on Obama to get them re-elected. Hail the conquering hero, Barack Obama, the Messiah, the Anointed One.
As I have contended all along I think this was all scripted with Obama coming out the key player. I know most people will focus now on Stupak, but mark my words Obama will get the praise for being the difference in getting Obamacare passed, and that is exactly how the Obama war room planned it all along.
It's never a good situation when a person that calls himself pro-life, wrestles with how to vote on a bill that will force the American people to fund abortions.
I think everyone knew he would cave, but prayed like crazy he wouldn't.
I feel like I'm being raped and am powerless to stop it.
This is disgusting, and I feel like I might lose my lunch. To see those politicians speak so highly of the bill and then to see the protestors on the opposite side of the screen just doesn't seem real. I just am dumbfounded at how they think we want this.
May God be with all of those conservative voices in the House. And may God protect all of those who went to DC to flex their voices. I have this feeling in the pit of my stomach that things will get nasty on the lawn in a few hours.... does anyone else feel like this?
That EO means about as much to Obama as the Constitution does.
Anybody know who Stupak's opponent is? Let's have a money bomb for them just like with Sean Duffy. FISCAL VIOLENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Call the police, the Tea Partiers are praying!!
Until there are 216 yeses, there is still hope. Perhaps the uberliberals will buy into the EO and actually vote agains the bill b/c of the "pro-life" executive order.
By the way, it warms my heart to see the protesters praying.
Can I scream again?
Please?
Or too much for your ears?
My prayer now is vocal, bold, but peaceful protest.
Yes!
<span><span>Bart Stupak's opponen is Dr. Dan Benishek. Send him money!!!</span></span>
<span><span>Address: Benishek for Congress, 802 Pentoga Trail, Crystal Falls, MI 49920. </span></span>
"Those are my principles, and if you don’t like them… well, I have others."
-Groucho Marx channeling 'pro-life Democrats
Here is Stupak's opponet: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=287806148754&ref=share
I dont know why, but I'm so emotional over this.
I guess it's because I'm 28, and have never in my life seen something like this go down. Ever.
It's a farce - it's a game. It's OUR lives!
Just a diversion from 0bamaCare and the lying dog Stupak:
Tina Fey: 'I owe Sarah Palin a lot'
http://www.digitalspy.com/showbiz/news/a209891/tina-fey-i-owe-sarah-palin-a-lot.html
To be honest, I had never heard of Tina Fey before the election, and I'm betting that most people hadn't, since I hadn't watched SNL in over 20 years.
All this praying doesn't seem to be working out so well for you. Did you ever stop and think that maybe God doesn't want 45,000 people to die each year so that private insurance companies can make record profits?
Of course you didn't.
OHMIGOSH
I swear, this is SO. UNFAIR.
I want to scream again so bad. WHY WHY WHY WHY?
Politicians. I never, never, never, ever, want to become like one. Ever.
The giveaway that this EO is as meaningless as Sycasuse is the silence from the left. If they thought this would actually defund abortion they'd be screaming like banshees. Stupak and the others sold their souls.
That said, nothing's over! They were in a blind frenzy to pass this bill. They've commited suicide doing it. NOW the fight starts!
I'm with you, Anne! I've been nauseated by this over the last week. It is in God's hands, and if anything, it fires us even more to fight for our nation.
God doesn't want over a million babies to die from abortion each year. SO SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Never know some reps could have been using stupak for cover and might now go to no. Slight hope but in three years it will change. I heard in 2012 9 repubs and 23 dem senators are up for re-election so Sarah could have a big majority to work with.
I stand with those at the Capitol.
We will remember in November.
I wish Sarah would do a YouTube video today.
We need to hear from our republican leadership.
Bart Stupak sadly reminds me of Neville Chamberlain. Substitute "We will have no federally funded abortions" deal signed with Obama with "We will have peace in our time" deal signed Hitler.
I just watched the Governor of Rhode Island on Cavuto's show. He is ticked off! He said this is the biggest fraud to be imposed on American people and he will join the 38 other States who want to fight this. This will hurt all the States with crippling financial and regulatory burdens.
In a way, Obama and Pelosi by passing this Obamacare will unite the Reps, Independents, Dems and State Legislatures who want to fight this. People rise up when governments pass laws that the people deem to be unfair and unjust (think Boston Tea Party, Calif. Propostion 13 tax revolt, etc.). There is no turning back anymore. We will have to stay engaged and fight if we want to keep Obama and Pelosi from taking over us.
State of Florida Attorney General on Cavuto now. Florida will sue too.
Unfortunately the Stupak betrayal is going to get the most play from the media but the greater controversy imho is Obama as a member of the executive branch of government using the mechamisms of the executive branch to interfere directly with the passage of a bill still under debate but not yet law, which should instead be solely remain in the province of the legislative branch of government until it is passed by both houses according to the system of checks and balances set up by the Constitution. It is one thing for the POTUS personally to use the bully pulpit to promote a bill's passage but clearly another thing to directly influence whether it will pass on not based on the power of the executive branch to deliberately influence or impact the vote.
<p><span>Andy McCarthy on the hypocrisy of the Democrats and their EO farce</span>
</p><p><span>In part:</span>
</p><p><span>But now Democrats are going to abide not a mere signing statement but an "executive order" that purports to have the effect of legislation — in fact, has the effect of nullifying legislation that Congress is simultaneously enacting?</span>
</p><p><span><span>The Susan B. Anthony List observation that EOs can be rescinded at the president's whim is of course true. This particuar EO is also a nullity — presidents cannot enact laws, the Supreme Court has said they cannot impound funds that Congress allocates, and (as a friend points out) the line-item veto has been held unconstitutional, so they can't use executive orders to strike provisions in a bill. So this anti-abortion EO is blatant chicanery: if the pro-lifers purport to be satisfied by it, they are participating in a transparent fraud and selling out the pro-life cause.</span></span>
</p><p><span><span>I find very it hard to believe that Bart the Butcher didn't know this. He was simply seeking cover, any cover to justify his vote. He ran for congress and won as a pro-life democrat. The good people in his district now know he is fake and a butcher of babies. </span></span></p>
Oh how naive you are.
Many, many, many, many more than 45,000 people will die each year in this country now that this population-control government is trying to pass rationing.
I hope you never get past 40 or have any kind of health problems because you WILL BE WAITING IN LINE.
She's only saying something nice because she thinks Palin is going the way of "media star". Once Fey discovers Sarah is still in politics and will run for President, she'll be back to her nasty self.
Oh, you betcha I will fight. This is so not over.
What's the difference between a conservative girl teen and a liberal politician? A pink nightstick.
What is painful is that Stupak's reputation is now in tatters. He got conned, big time, by a Big Time Con Man. Obama's objective was to give Stupak an executive order that was meaningless so Stupak could have cover to vote for the Bill.
Now Stupak will always be known as the guy who folded like a big lawn chair under pressure.
frsbdg...why does the ObamaNation want to kill babies?
Notice a continuation of the meme "and she's now beginning a successful career as a TV commentator so I think she's doing well."
IOW, get her safely out of politics and turn her into Rush or Glenn.
Excellent; tie this bast*rd up in court!
You are the dense one...know one dies in the USA for the lack of medical care unless it is their own choice. Ever hear of that special room at the hospital where
people can go and get treated...it's called an EMERGENCY ROOM...Most people don't have medical insurance because they rather have a new care, new TV, a cruise...etc. What is going to happen is millions of older people will die just like Gov. Palin said, "DEATH PANEL"...and the Dems. will be forever marked with this scarlet letter. You haven't seen anything yet. The Dems. are dead men walking.
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